4 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You’re going back in time before O minds really dominated the league like now. Talking about what we need to win a championship in 2024 and forward. Not how somebody else did it decades ago. They got Fangio in place…a year late…but he’s here now. Who’s the O mind to pair with him for us to get this done?

Fangio as DC....the O mind as OC.  I agree ..that's how they want it under Siri.  100%

3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Bellicheat wasn’t an O mind but is such a student of the game. But he had McDaniels whom is pretty brilliant X and O wise. Terrible HC though.

I don’t see Moore as a brilliant O mind. That’s kind of been my holdup with our whole situation. But he’s about as good as we could do for getting an experienced OC. Siri can’t develop some green young O mind. But our FO did interview him multiple times for our HC job before settling on Siri. So it’s easy to see him earning his own team by taking what didn’t look too cohesive most of the year last year here and spinning that into some gold. It’s his O. There is talent on O here. If we produce an elite O Moore will get the credit.

Siri can't develop some green young O mind....   who was his first OC?   How old ???

3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So is there a hesitancy for Rosie to want to make that potential hire again? He lost control with Chip so he wasn’t going to let Pedey do the same to him. That’s why we only look to hire the green hungry coach with potential types. 

There is a hesitancy for Lurie... Lurie hires the head coach.  Lurie likes the organizational structure.  Lurie is in charge.  Lurie. 

16 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

They don't want to give up power. In reality they never gave up power all the way.  It was convenient that we got out of both of the MeSeans contracts ...and then a year later we're able to unload Chip's guys for barely any dead money. 

I think that was their way of having the excuse to keep control.  Now you hire Doug then Siri..both guys just looking to coach...both success.  I can't imagine they give up control ...and you believe they were considering hiring Belicheck but didn't want to give up control,  but think they would to someone else ... at time of hire????  

No. My thoughts are on the two leading HC candidates right now this next offseason. Johnson and Slowik both OC never been HC before. So they are a fit for us. Top O minded HC candidates. First time getting their own team so they won’t demand all the power right away. But if they are quality enough coaches like I expect that time will be coming. But I don’t think the FO had to give up all power and lock Rosie in a seperate ring and all. Just need a normal working relationship between GM and a quality HC. Strike the professional balance to succeed. 

19 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Arians a genius O mind or good football guy running the whole show?

I’m totally biased with Arians so you tell me. I respect the heck out of him for his whole life and career. I see him as a great coach and person. But admit some personal bias very at play with a coach I’m so familiar with.

18 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Siri can't develop some green young O mind....   who was his first OC?   How old ???

He didn’t develop Steichen…Steichen bailed him out. Then last year that was a big part of the problem. Johnson I think is a good coach…if he was under AR or McVay he would work out just fine. But Siri not an OC even really himself. He was only good under Reich a very quality OC himself, though he posed as a HC at the moment in Indy.

18 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

There is a hesitancy for Lurie... Lurie hires the head coach.  Lurie likes the organizational structure.  Lurie is in charge.  Lurie. 

This is my complaint. Holding us back. You can focus solely on personnel always all you like. But without the coaching and scheme we are limited. Lurie and Rosie  just aren’t football guys…we need football guys running more of the football stuff.

26 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Fangio as DC....the O mind as OC.  I agree ..that's how they want it under Siri.  100%

See I’m looking at the problems that structure inherits. Let’s skip the fact I don’t understand Siri as a CEO type HC in the first place. In talking about to get the best O minded coach you have to make him HC. The alternative is you limit yourself to the best of the rest that will be willing to except being just OC. Being that the top O coaches are first in line getting their own teams across the league. So if we hire a quality OC in this current format he’s getting poached by another team immediately..one year maybe two. Then we are coach searching again. Stuck in this circle. But can’t hire some bright young O mind to develop as OC because Siri can’t develop them. So we strictly need experienced O mind willing to only be OC. Severely limiting our potential coaching talent pool. So we take chances and hire bad ones. Have to deal and waste years on that. But even the best versions of that scenario means we lose our good hire to be poached after one or two seasons. Think about this in any longer term views. At best you pretty much can only accomplish having quality coaching fifty percent of the time. Heck two good OC hires in a decade would get you 4 years out of ten of quality coaching. Is that even anything to strive towards?

33 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

There is a hesitancy for Lurie... Lurie hires the head coach.  Lurie likes the organizational structure.  Lurie is in charge.  Lurie. 

Lurie is in charge. Not just a completely sit back and let the football guys run the football business owner. But not as involved as Jerry Jones. He has Rosie running everything for him. Nothing crazy needs to happen here. Just a more traditional structure of the FO jobs staying more in the area if the FO mandates. Hiring a coach that is if quality enough to handle more of the coaching duties. That’s all.

45 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

There is a hesitancy for Lurie... Lurie hires the head coach.  Lurie likes the organizational structure.  Lurie is in charge.  Lurie. 

I like the hungry types,they work harder

57 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Day 2 live update- 1)Hurts looks sharp  2)We are using pre snap motion Both things I wanted to hear

The fact Hurts seems to be learning new offensive sets and executing them under Moore is an excellent sign that Hurts is grasping new concepts but as a "hater" IDK

"He went on to talk about football being a team sport, and even if one player has a big game, winning is still the result of the whole team. Barkley explained that it takes all 11 guys on the field to make any one guy look good, because if even one player is off, it could result in a negative play.

The RB later admitted that the historical dominance of the Eagles offensive line was one of the things that drew him to Philly, saying that it will do a lot for his game and the goals he has for himself. Barkley recalled a run during Wednesday’s practice that felt natural, as if he and line had been playing together for awhile, and he’s super excited about how that will develop."   Barkley feels at home and comfortable.                                                                 Although he may not be the focal point,he will have a huge role. He also understands he may not get the stats every game,that is terrific as every game plays out different and he is no prima donna

53 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

No. My thoughts are on the two leading HC candidates right now this next offseason. Johnson and Slowik both OC never been HC before. So they are a fit for us. Top O minded HC candidates. First time getting their own team so they won’t demand all the power right away. But if they are quality enough coaches like I expect that time will be coming. But I don’t think the FO had to give up all power and lock Rosie in a seperate ring and all. Just need a normal working relationship between GM and a quality HC. Strike the professional balance to succeed. 

Strike the professional balance to succeed?  Like 2017 and 2022?

Or you think all of a sudden their mindset changes? 

Good candidates in the event things go bad this year.   I have no problem with either guy.   I just don’t anticipate things going bad.

55 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m totally biased with Arians so you tell me. I respect the heck out of him for his whole life and career. I see him as a great coach and person. But admit some personal bias very at play with a coach I’m so familiar with.

I will say Arians great overall football guy.  Was it genius O mind with Evans, Godwin, Brown, Gronk, Fournette...etc . Getting the ball from Brady?  Plus that defense. 

What plays did you see as genius? Dude knows football...but his people skills are his greatest strength. 

4 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Strike the professional balance to succeed?  Like 2017 and 2022?

Or you think all of a sudden their mindset changes? 

Good candidates in the event things go bad this year.   I have no problem with either guy.   I just don’t anticipate things going bad.

Very much like 2017. 2022 I believe this problem helped create the failure. Pedey and Schwartz win in 2022 in my mind. 

55 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

He didn’t develop Steichen…Steichen bailed him out. Then last year that was a big part of the problem. Johnson I think is a good coach…if he was under AR or McVay he would work out just fine. But Siri not an OC even really himself. He was only good under Reich a very quality OC himself, though he posed as a HC at the moment in Indy.

So Steichen this old grizzly vet then?

Why does Siri need to develop any O mind?   Wouldn't the idea be that we would bring in the next guy like Steichen...the young guy who hasn't had the opportunity yet to run the offense?

 

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I will say Arians great overall football guy.  Was it genius O mind with Evans, Godwin, Brown, Gronk, Fournette...etc . Getting the ball from Brady?  Plus that defense. 

What plays did you see as genius? Dude knows football...but his people skills are his greatest strength. 

Do these players go to play for a scrub coach?

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Very much like 2017. 2022 I believe this problem helped create the failure. Pedey and Schwartz win in 2022 in my mind. 

In your mind... again.. stop thinking your way... and try to put yourself in Lurie's mind.  Do you think he thinks that way? 

I don't.  Who would have been Doug's OC?

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Do these players go to play for a scrub coach?

No...great coach....different than great O mind.  Two different things. 

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Do these players go to play for a scrub coach?

They go play with Brady  ..the other guys got drafted.  Let's be honest here

Just now, joemas6 said:

So Steichen this old grizzly vet then?

Why does Siri need to develop any O mind?   Wouldn't the idea be that we would bring in the next guy like Steichen...the young guy who hasn't had the opportunity yet to run the offense?

 

Well a AR, McVay, Shannahan….can bring in the green OCs and develop them. Siri can’t do that. We are limited to experienced OCs that can run their own show. Steichen had been running O already experienced. Moore experienced running his own O. Johnson no experience but some in college running his own O under Siri doesn’t work. It has to be an previously experienced  retread OC basically.

31 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

The fact Hurts seems to be learning new offensive sets and executing them under Moore is an excellent sign that Hurts is grasping new concepts but as a "hater" IDK

They said he has had his best offseason 

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

In your mind... again.. stop thinking your way... and try to put yourself in Lurie's mind.  Do you think he thinks that way? 

I don't.  Who would have been Doug's OC?

Taylor was his OC choice….the guy that’s his OC in Jax…the brother of Cincy HC.

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

No...great coach....different than great O mind.  Two different things. 

Can both be true. But I’ll let you give your option on Arians. Like I said I’m biased clearly with him.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Taylor was his OC choice….the guy that’s his OC in Jax…the brother of Cincy HC.

The same guy lurie and Howie didn't have confidence in?