4 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I'm waiting to see how many ":moved too soon" penalties everyone gets. Could be a real ref nightmare watching 20 guys at once 

Yeah what a very tough call this part will be

All just speculation until we’ve seen the play run in live action a million times.

Jason Kelce is wearing his beret in studio 

24 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Lining up one foot in front of each other we’ve seen plenty of stunts run also. But your mind can’t possibly fathom this occurring because they are five yards apart here.

Sure stunts... again though... that's not a " gunner"

But go watch.... the other concept you don't seem to get is they aren't lined up tight like a normal scrimmage play either.  

Just watch tonight...and then you can come up with your creative ideas. 

I think the big thing is going to be the line drive kickoffs.

I’m willing to bet the league even learns a few things and adapts the KO return rules some here before it’s all said and done.

7 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Two DT or DE for a LB happens tons. They’re  lined up one foot from their opponents even. How far back are these blitzing LB? Five yards even?

Yes... the formation when 5 OL line up tight...not going to be like that on a kickoff 

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Sure stunts... again though... that's not a " gunner"

But go watch.... the other concept you don't seem to get is they aren't lined up tight like a normal scrimmage play either.  

Just watch tonight...and then you can come up with your creative ideas. 

I think the big thing is going to be the line drive kickoffs.

The ‘gunner’ thought would involve having your kicking team guys sort of attack in a certain direction while having your specialist(gunner) come swooping around them. Like three guys going in maybe actually kind of blocking …on the kicking team side.

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I think the big thing is going to be the line drive kickoffs

Yeah like a volleyball serve with your feet. If it skips the returner will need good hands 

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m willing to bet the league even learns a few things and adapts the KO return rules some here before it’s all said and done.

That's a pretty safe bet there considering they do that every year.

The idea is they want returns...but in a way to keep the players safe.  That's why it's simulating a scrimmage play.

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

Yeah like a volleyball serve with your feet. If it skips the returner will need good hands 

You’d think the whole idea is it to come in skipping and bouncing wildly.

Line drives-Elliott. Pop ups-punter,IDK if the punter can kick from a tee though LOL

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

The ‘gunner’ thought would involve having your kicking team guys sort of attack in a certain direction while having your specialist(gunner) come swooping around them. Like three guys going in maybe actually kind of blocking …on the kicking team side.

I know the gunner thought.... again though... you really mean stunt.  Not the fast guy that runs down to disturb the blockers.. this is more pick type stuff...but again,  not sure the spacing allows for all this...by the time the coverage team tries to attack a spot... the ball carrier could be gone.

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You’d think the whole idea is it to come in skipping and bouncing wildly.

I think the idea is to try to kick it past the return guys...like a soccer goal...except you have the width of the field. 

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

I know the gunner thought.... again though... you really mean stunt.  Not the fast guy that runs down to disturb the blockers.. this is more pick type stuff...but again,  not sure the spacing allows for all this...by the time the coverage team tries to attack a spot... the ball carrier could be gone.

Noone can move until the ball is touched 10 yards between players,so actually once they move you have less than 10 yards. No way can you have a gunner

4 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I think the idea is to try to kick it past the return guys...like a soccer goal...except you have the width of the field. 

Kick it past the returner by probably kicking it short of the returner….if that makes sense to you. Hard line driving kick that hits on the landing zone and zooms past the returner after skipping and bouncing.

Dang draft,I will miss the beginning of the HOF game. Hopefully I can grab a sneak peek

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Noone can move until the ball is touched 10 yards between players,so actually once they move you have less than 10 yards. No way can you have a gunner

Think of it like clearing a lane for a blitzing LB is how I’m possibly envisioning it.

3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Noone can move until the ball is touched 10 yards between players,so actually once they move you have less than 10 yards. No way can you have a gunner

Was it until the ball is touched? Or the ball hits the ground? Or either?

Obviously I’m just spitballing thoughts and ideas. I’m not remotely pretending to actually know. 

Teams starting low level cuts already

6 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Kelce fresh from Paris

I miss the OLD return game. It was exciting to watch,taking all the fun away

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Kick it pas the returner by probably kicking it short of the returner….if that makes sense to you. Hard line driving kick that hits on the landing zone and zooms past the returner after skipping and bouncing.

I think more so 2 guys are covering the width of the field. You need to kick it past them ...my guess it they try to kick it low and hard....to a point where it would land before the goal line betas close as possible... forcing them to catch a low hard line drive that may or may not hit the ground first.  I don't think they automatically try to bounce it short of the returner due to the returner still being 60yards away and the ability to run up to catch it.   The idea I see is more attacking the space between or to the outside of the returners.

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I think more so 2 guys are covering the width of the field. You need to kick it past them ...my guess it they try to kick it low and hard....to a point where it would land before the goal line betas close as possible... forcing them to catch a low hard line drive that may or may not hit the ground first.  I don't think they automatically try to bounce it short of the returner due to the returner still being 60yards away and the ability to run up to catch it.   The idea I see is more attacking the space between or to the outside of the returners.

Just all a part of where I’m sure all these K will come up with different techniques.