If Epps isn’t playing I don’t love our defenses chances with that secondary

Alabama QB just got benched.

1 minute ago, pgcd3 said:

If Epps isn’t playing I don’t love our defenses chances with that secondary

Josh Johnson is the QB, IIRC. Does that change your feelings?

17 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

I don’t disagree, but I’d rather spend money on a competent safety over a 2 down LB

I think Dean being pegged as a 2 down LB is one of the more overrated talking points. The injuries are a concern, but him not playing every down doesn't bother me one bit.

Let's compare Dean and Campbell

Dean played in 9 games this year with a total of 403 snaps.

In 9 games, as a "2 down LB", Dean had 55 tackles, 4 sacks, 7 TFL, 6 QB hits, 2 FF and 1 pass defended.

31 45%

33 63%

0

44 65%

40 68%

62 84%

82 94%

65 88%

33 79%

13 24%

Campbell played in 15 games for a total of 648 snaps. You could almost say 8 of those games he was a 3 down LB.

He has 70 tackles, 2 TFL, 1 QB hit, 1 FF, 1 FR, 1 INT and 2 passes defended.

56 92%

58 97%

63 95%

70 97%

71 96%

62 90%

60 87%

21 40%

0

34 50%

20 34%

11 15%

0 0%

9 12%

6 14%

36 67%

71 93%

Dean is the better blitzer, the better run defender, and his only downfall in coverage is his being shorter all while being the better on field leader and a glue piece. Campbell is a longer, more athletic player, but I want production. I want game changing production. Campbell's INT was a huge play early in the season. Dean changes games week in and week out.

Also, keep in mind, in 2024 Dean played 92% of the defensive snaps. He's an every down LB and a top need to bring back.

Joe Montana is the god of SB runs with 32 TDs to 10 picks. (11 to 0 in the SBs)

He had 2 rushing TDs (both in SBs) and he or they recovered all 4 of his fumbles so none lost.

34 to 10 is the best ever Super Bowl QB

Hurts is at 18 to 2 so far.

Mahomes is at 35 TDs to 7 picks in his 5. He has 5 rushing TDs and 2 lost fumbles

40 to 9 is right there with Montana but his splits are:

27 to 4 vs the AFC that some pretend was strong and 13 to 5 vs the NFC in SBs

Brady is 62 TDs to 23 picks. He ran for 4 TDs. He has 3 fumbles lost. You may remember the last one.

66 to 26 over 10 SB years.

5 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I think Dean being pegged as a 2 down LB is one of the more overrated talking points. The injuries are a concern, but him not playing every down doesn't bother me one bit.

Let's compare Dean and Campbell

Dean played in 9 games this year with a total of 403 snaps.

In 9 games, as a "2 down LB", Dean had 55 tackles, 4 sacks, 7 TFL, 6 QB hits, 2 FF and 1 pass defended.

31 45%

33 63%

0

44 65%

40 68%

62 84%

82 94%

65 88%

33 79%

13 24%

Campbell played in 15 games for a total of 648 snaps. You could almost say 8 of those games he was a 3 down LB.

He has 70 tackles, 2 TFL, 1 QB hit, 1 FF, 1 FR, 1 INT and 2 passes defended.

56 92%

58 97%

63 95%

70 97%

71 96%

62 90%

60 87%

21 40%

0

34 50%

20 34%

11 15%

0 0%

9 12%

6 14%

36 67%

71 93%

Dean is the better blitzer, the better run defender, the better on field leader and a glue piece. Campbell is a longer, more athletic player, but I want production. I want game changing production. Campbell's INT was a huge play early in the season. Dean changes games week in and week out.

Also, keep in mind, in 2024 Dean played 92% of the defensive snaps. He's an every down LB and a top need to bring back.

Now compare Dean's rookie year to Campbell's rookie year.

3 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

This game is a perfect example of why prospect rankings mean nothing till draft time. This was supposed to be a stocked QB draft…and we are watching probably the top 2 QB prospects play each other. Both were after thoughts going into the season. Mendoza has a lot of tools but whoever gets him is gonna rush him into playing too quick. Simpson I can’t figure out.

Joe Burrow wasn't really on anyone's radar until his senior year. The Bills were widely mocked for taken Josh Allen as high as he was taken, especially ahead of Josh Rosen.

Mendoza looks good. With pretty much every single young QB, if they pan out largely depends on coaching they are being tied to to develop under. How he pans out in the NFL largely depends on who the Raiders go with at HC. Poor kid might be stuck with Kevin Patullo if we go on a run and a team just wants to pick from this tree again.

5 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I think Dean being pegged as a 2 down LB is one of the more overrated talking points. The injuries are a concern, but him not playing every down doesn't bother me one bit.

Let's compare Dean and Campbell

Dean played in 9 games this year with a total of 403 snaps.

In 9 games, as a "2 down LB", Dean had 55 tackles, 4 sacks, 7 TFL, 6 QB hits, 2 FF and 1 pass defended.

31 45%

33 63%

0

44 65%

40 68%

62 84%

82 94%

65 88%

33 79%

13 24%

Campbell played in 15 games for a total of 648 snaps. You could almost say 8 of those games he was a 3 down LB.

He has 70 tackles, 2 TFL, 1 QB hit, 1 FF, 1 FR, 1 INT and 2 passes defended.

56 92%

58 97%

63 95%

70 97%

71 96%

62 90%

60 87%

21 40%

0

34 50%

20 34%

11 15%

0 0%

9 12%

6 14%

36 67%

71 93%

Dean is the better blitzer, the better run defender, the better on field leader and a glue piece. Campbell is a longer, more athletic player, but I want production. I want game changing production. Campbell's INT was a huge play early in the season. Dean changes games week in and week out.

Also, keep in mind, in 2024 Dean played 92% of the defensive snaps. He's an every down LB and a top need to bring back.

It’s not an overrated talking point. He’s pulled on passing downs often. Hes a tremendous downhill backer now. He also can’t stay healthy. So I stand by my point, im not breaking the bank for a 2 down lb unless the move Baun.

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I think Dean being pegged as a 2 down LB is one of the more overrated talking points. The injuries are a concern, but him not playing every down doesn't bother me one bit.

Let's compare Dean and Campbell

Dean played in 9 games this year with a total of 403 snaps.

In 9 games, as a "2 down LB", Dean had 55 tackles, 4 sacks, 7 TFL, 6 QB hits, 2 FF and 1 pass defended.

31 45%

33 63%

0

44 65%

40 68%

62 84%

82 94%

65 88%

33 79%

13 24%

Campbell played in 15 games for a total of 648 snaps. You could almost say 8 of those games he was a 3 down LB.

He has 70 tackles, 2 TFL, 1 QB hit, 1 FF, 1 FR, 1 INT and 2 passes defended.

56 92%

58 97%

63 95%

70 97%

71 96%

62 90%

60 87%

21 40%

0

34 50%

20 34%

11 15%

0 0%

9 12%

6 14%

36 67%

71 93%

Dean is the better blitzer, the better run defender, the better on field leader and a glue piece. Campbell is a longer, more athletic player, but I want production. I want game changing production. Campbell's INT was a huge play early in the season. Dean changes games week in and week out.

Also, keep in mind, in 2024 Dean played 92% of the defensive snaps. He's an every down LB and a top need to bring back.

Dead wrong

He too small and injury prone and cant cover.

The intangibles dont matter

Good blitzer but one trick pony

Cambell and Baun never have to come off the field, much like Coop

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Now compare Dean's rookie year to Campbell's rookie year.

That's not a fair comparison. Dean wasn't a starter until last year. He barely played as a rookie and only started 5 games his 2nd season.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Now compare Dean's rookie year to Campbell's rookie year.

Or Dean till mid last year before he figured out how to tackle. He’s a very good and impactful player when he’s healthy, but when is he healthy? He also showed his turn around mid last season wasn’t a fluke.

54 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

One of the most under appreciated glue guys of this franchise.

Celek under appreciated? I couldn't disagree more. He was beloved by fans. What a great run of TEs for the Eagles: Lewis, Celek, Ertz, Goedert. It's about 28 consecutive years of really good to excellent TEs.

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

That's not a fair comparison. Dean wasn't a starter until last year. He barely played as a rookie and only started 5 games his 2nd season.

Because when he did he couldn’t tackle, read assignments and took horrid angles. There wasn’t a log jam in front of him.

Just now, bpac55 said:

That's not a fair comparison. Dean wasn't a starter until last year. He barely played as a rookie and only started 5 games his 2nd season.

No, its a perfectly fair comparison, which is my point. You are comparing what a 4 year vet is doing compared to a wet behind the ears rookie. Campbell has the higher ceiling, is the point. He's made impact in games as a rookie, Dean was watching from the sidelines. Campbell is a guy who can become a game changer, if given a chance to grow into his potential. Spending big money on Dean retards Campbell's development and likely costs us Blankenship. So, the question is... would you rather have Blankenship and Campbell... or Dean and Epps? I'll take Blank and Campbell, personally.

1 minute ago, ToastJenkins said:

Dead wrong

He too small and injury prone and cant cover.

The intangibles dont matter

Good blitzer but one trick pony

Cambell and Baun never have to come off the field, much like Coop

But he can cover. That's where I disagree. He might come off for certain passing down, but he's shown that he's capable in coverage. The INT against the Jags last year was incredible. He has nearly identical coverage stats as Campbell. I can't think of many plays where I'm saying damnit, Dean blew that coverage.

I don't think he's a one trick pony at all.

No arguments on the injury concerns. His contract is going to have to be heavily based on incentives, mainly games played/missed.

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

That's not a fair comparison. Dean wasn't a starter until last year. He barely played as a rookie and only started 5 games his 2nd season.

Its a completely fair Comparison. Cambpell might not have played much except Dran was hurt…again

34 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Hurts has taken the Eagles to 2 Super Bowls already. He is in position to taking them to a 3rd this postseason.

The AFC having more competition prior to Jalen Hurts entering the league (debatable) is completely irrelevant to the topic though. Like what is the point of stating it? Why does it tie into your current attempt to diminish what Hurts has accomplished already? How does it possibly even fit into your argument for that at all?

You need to go back to the original post because you're creating arguments to praise Hurts but honestly I keep forgetting that you simply can't have an honest discussion if it's not glaring praise for Hurts. So don't bother lol

It is funny how you'll attribute team accomplishments only to Hurts just to prop him up as the greatest QB ever while you diminish other QBs with better stats

2 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Dead wrong

He too small and injury prone and cant cover.

The intangibles dont matter

Good blitzer but one trick pony

Cambell and Baun never have to come off the field, much like Coop

One trick pony? That is pretty ridiculous. He is an excellent run defender, sure tackler, excellent blizter, and our defense really hit its stride when he returned. Love Campbell, but Dean is a better run defender, blitzing isn't even close. Campbell is better in coverage but not excessively.

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

But he can cover. That's where I disagree. He might come off for certain passing down, but he's shown that he's capable in coverage. The INT against the Jags last year was incredible. He has nearly identical coverage stats as Campbell. I can't think of many plays where I'm saying damnit, Dean blew that coverage.

I don't think he's a one trick pony at all.

No arguments on the injury concerns. His contract is going to have to be heavily based on incentives, mainly games played/missed.

He’s not a good cover back. He made a couple plays this year…yes but there’s a reason he’s schemed the way he is, because he can’t cover reliably. Get him going backwards and more times than not he’s toast. It even goes back to college and his scouting report. I like a lot of what he brings, but saying he’s a must resign I disagree with.

16 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I think Dean being pegged as a 2 down LB is one of the more overrated talking points. The injuries are a concern, but him not playing every down doesn't bother me one bit.

Let's compare Dean and Campbell

Dean played in 9 games this year with a total of 403 snaps.

In 9 games, as a "2 down LB", Dean had 55 tackles, 4 sacks, 7 TFL, 6 QB hits, 2 FF and 1 pass defended.

31 45%

33 63%

0

44 65%

40 68%

62 84%

82 94%

65 88%

33 79%

13 24%

Campbell played in 15 games for a total of 648 snaps. You could almost say 8 of those games he was a 3 down LB.

He has 70 tackles, 2 TFL, 1 QB hit, 1 FF, 1 FR, 1 INT and 2 passes defended.

56 92%

58 97%

63 95%

70 97%

71 96%

62 90%

60 87%

21 40%

0

34 50%

20 34%

11 15%

0 0%

9 12%

6 14%

36 67%

71 93%

Dean is the better blitzer, the better run defender, and his only downfall in coverage is his being shorter all while being the better on field leader and a glue piece. Campbell is a longer, more athletic player, but I want production. I want game changing production. Campbell's INT was a huge play early in the season. Dean changes games week in and week out.

Also, keep in mind, in 2024 Dean played 92% of the defensive snaps. He's an every down LB and a top need to bring back.

At the end of Baun's contract I think he'll leave and campbell/dean will be the duo going forward

1 minute ago, Wentz_Era said:

Because when he did he couldn’t tackle, read assignments and took horrid angles. There wasn’t a log jam in front of him.

Yup. As a rookie, he couldn't beat Kyzir White. In 2023, he couldn't beat Nick Morrow, Zac Cunningham or Shaq Leonard. Before the 2024 season folks were calling Dean a bust. He really turned it around in 2024, and has ben outstanding this year. But, Campbell has the higher ceiling. Dean, right now, is playing at his ceiling. He's going to get a pretty nice contract... and I don't think the Eagles can afford it AND force Campbell to stay on the sidelines.

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

You need to go back to the original post because you're creating arguments to praise Hurts but honestly I keep forgetting that you simply can't have an honest discussion if it's not glaring praise for Hurts. So don't bother lol

It is funny how you'll attribute team accomplishments only to Hurts just to prop him up as the greatest QB ever while you diminish other QBs with better stats

I have gone back and it still doesn't fit at all to your argument.

Who am I diminishing? QBs who haven't made it to 2 Super Bowls? To 3? To QBs that haven't accomplished as much championship football?

Dean has actually made a lot of plays in coverage, last year and this year. Seems he has a stigma attached to him from some early career receptions allowed but hes not really a bad liability in coverage anymore.

1 minute ago, Freshmilk said:

One trick pony? That is pretty ridiculous. He is an excellent run defender, sure tackler, excellent blizter, and our defense really hit its stride when he returned. Love Campbell, but Dean is a better run defender, blitzing isn't even close. Campbell is better in coverage but not excessively.

Our D hits its stride when the DL figured out how to pressure.

In all reality they’ve been carrying the horrid offense all year. Early in the season they got unneeded flak because adore got toasted a few times and they weren’t completely dominant.