3 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

I don't think you can blame Hurts for yesterday, but you can't give him a free pass either. I don't know why he didn't run more yesterday, and when he did, why he didn't commit. When he ran, it felt more like we could see him thinking about it, hesitating, then starting to run when it was too late. A good example was on the 2nd down of the last drive. He had a lane, he took a step, paused, then tried to run and got tackled. If he had just said "bleep it" and run without processing it, he would probably have picked up the first. We kept hearing that playoff Hurts would come through, and he had chances like that play and didn't deliver. It's like Spaceballs stop preparing/being cerebral and just go. Passing I thought he was fine. Few bad throws but in the wind that happens. I could have done without him rolling out of a clean pocket, though, and it was obviously driving Brady nuts as well.

My post was about Siri, so I wasn't excusing Hurts. I actually do think he takes blame for yesterday as well, he has some awful throws and decisions. The WRs had drops, the O line and TE had bad blocks, it was a mess. I don't think he has confidence in Patullo, and he's not set up for success. He's regressed as a runner and no longer the same dual threat which was the factor that made up for being an average passer. He also regressed at throwing deep passes which was a strength, and I don't know how much of that is also coaching and routes or just him.

QBs who run a lot wear down over time and have to either adapt to pass more or they just aren't as effective. As vikas said, it's hard to judge individuals because the OC was so bad, the worst one Siri/Hurts have had.

If Hurts can't function next year with a better OC then they will need to move on from him. It might benefit both parties.

6 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Sad. Didn't someone else have a good kicker coming out this year?

I think Trey Smack (gators) is the only senior of the top prospects.

6 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Part of me is kind of wondering if it would be nice to just cut bait on ALL of the bloated contracts on offense and start anew. That includes AJ Brown, but Id start with Hurts as well, and possibly even Barkley.

Take the bullet on the dead cap and just move on as soon as that clears up a bit.

As of now, maybe you trade AJ, maybe you dont. But you get a new OC and youre still stuck with Hurts tanking his ideas on offense.

Maybe if you load up on draft picks for those guys and consider next year a wash.

But then part of me realizes the offense doesnt need to go from 19PPG to 30PPG. We can go to like 26ppg and probably go damn near undefeated with our defense.

But man... its kinda tempting to just cut all the fat at once, take those lumps, and reload without the constant bickering about Hurts, and is he or his OC more to blame? Or Siri...

@vikas83 Trade Barkley, AJ, and Hurts using pre/post June 1st however it is the most cost effective.

How many of our defenders do we miss out on re-signing? Who else do we stand to lose on offense?

Im sure we will have to part with some talent. But Im already happy to not re-sign Nolan Smith, and I wont mind if they Davis walk either. Im fine letting Goedert go this offseason.

Can we at least keep Mitchell and DeJean? Would money be clearing in time to keep Campbell and Hunt?

QB is an expected expense, I have no doubt a new OC will make Hurts better, Barkely doesn’t make all that much relative to the other guys. It was a 20m$ AAV extension on top of his 13m$ AAV contract. So he’s only averaging about 16-17m over the next 3 or 4 years

But Cam Jurgens… didn’t like the extension and would have no problem if we tried to get a 3 for him

I do think if we drop AJ we should try and keep Goedert though. Give him a nice little 3 year deal, draft his heir and run 12 personnel. I bet we’d have a kick ass run game out of that

15 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Siri didn't have much experience calling plays. In Indy, Reich called the plays and they had Andrew Luck at QB. In San Diego, he didn't call plays except some preseason practice and he had Philip Rivers who was already an established passer. Rivers numbers were consistent most of his career, and Siri being with him didn't change that.

Everyone criticized Siri as play caller to start 2021 especially not running the ball. Steichen took over and the offense went better.

People have said the offense looked different from Steichen to Johnson to Moore and Patullo. If Siri had an offense, it would be similar.

What has Siri done since Steichen left to contribute to the offense? To fix and address the issues? This was the worst OC in his tenure, what did he do this whole season? At some point the Head Coach CEO has to make changes, make CEO decisions. Bring in a consultant, fire/demote the OC, take over play calling, insist on changes.

You can't blame Hurts for Nick holding back this wonderful offensive scheme, that's silly. The Head Coach for 5 years has allowed the team to be held back because of the QB??? He was MVP runner up in 2022. In 2023 he had higher passing numbers in several stats, but the INTs were killer. If the 2023 offense had the 2024 or 2025 defense they would not have collapsed.

The pass game struggled last year but they had a dominant run game and Siri was scared to death of turnovers. He made turnovers his top priority. Hurts and other players have complained about the coaching too conservative.

I do not buy that Nick Sirianni has this magical, successful offensive scheme that he has been sitting on and despite the collapse in 2023, the pass struggles in 2024 and the total epic failure this season he's just like nah, I can't pull out my genius offense because the QB can't run it.

That makes no logical sense. The reality is Nick had Rivers and Luck and didn't call plays. Now he has Hurts and needs an OC who coaches to his strengths, and Hurts has regressed as a runner which takes away his dual threat. They're stuck with Hurts at least another year so they need an OC who will coach to the roster's strengths until they're able to change the QB.

First, I’m not completely blaming Jalen hurts for them holding back the often. I’m blaming hurts having the flaw he does have. He is who he is. We know that. I think there’s a part of this fan base that likes to think he is completely flawless and there’s another part of this fan base that likes to think he’s the worst quarterback you’ve ever seen played football. And neither one of those are true. He is a flawed quarterback that has issues. There’s very few quarterbacks in the NFL that don’t have flaws. Even the great ones like Josh Allen has his own set of flaws. They are just far less of them and just overall more talented.

That said, the issue I have was saying well 2021 and 2022 just saw the offense look like this. Shane Steichen was there. Sometimes you work with people and you can make great things together. Cause you are able to bounce things off each other and thrive off each others abilities. Most of the time it’s cause the partnership offers things that one has hat the other may not so collaborating gets more out of each other the without them. So Nick Sirianni hasn’t found that guy since. Even with Kellen Moore, the pass offense was inconsistent. We even talked about this last year that it was broken at times and needed to be fixed in the off-season.

My point in all that was nick’s 2021 and 2022 where his offense got better and better over time is similar to Doug with Reich. Doug and Frank just meshed together very well and make to maximize each other’s ability. Once that left the building Doug was never able to get back to that height. That’s not Reich was the mastermind behind it all. It’s Doug needed someone like Reich to maximize his strengths and abilities. Cause by himself without that person he was not the same coach. He showed that after 2017 as he never truly got back to an offense that was like that in Philly or Jacksonville

Furthermore i don’t believe sirianni nor Doug were offensive genius masterminds. There are very few of them to go around this league. Even some that are don’t make it as HCs. It’s why Doug and sirianni really showed they depend on having great coaches around them that they mesh well with as it helps bring out their best and so they can maximize their visions to its fullest.

9 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

If Kingsbury gets Ravens job, McDaniels get a HC gig as does Stefanski and Monken follows Harbaugh then who is your top choice?

Daboll

1 minute ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

QB is an expected expense, I have no doubt a new OC will make Hurts better, Barkely doesn’t make all that much relative to the other guys. It was a 20m$ AAV extension on top of his 13m$ AAV contract. So he’s only averaging about 16-17m over the next 3 or 4 years

But Cam Jurgens… didn’t like the extension and would have no problem if we tried to get a 3 for him

I do think if we drop AJ we should try and keep Goedert though. Give him a nice little 3 year deal, draft his heir and run 12 personnel. I bet we’d have a kick ass run game out of that

Replacing a WR contract with a TE signing is a solid way to get cheaper over the long term. I could live with that. Problem is, with all of Goedert's TDs now I think hes going to expect even more than he wanted last year, and probably get it this time. This was sorta a prove it year for him, and he bet on himself and won this time. I dont think we can, nor should pay him what he will get this time around.

8 minutes ago, MrFadedGlory said:

Harbaugh HC

McDaniel OC

Problems solved

I’m good on Harbaugh

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

Daboll

I think he has the Hurts relationship and cred from Buffalo tho I'm not sure how well his temperament would mesh

Time to move on from Goedert. He isn’t the same level of receiving TE as he used to be and his blocking skills have eroded to the point he is no longer a two-way player.

Would Lurie/Howie realistically bring in an OC with thoughts that he could potentially replace Siri if fired? Or just bring in a competent OC and risk him leaving after a year for another job?

Do they worry about personality and leadership styles clashing? I feel like Daboll and Siri would have weekly fist fights.

Being in a bad scheme can demoralize guys and make a lot of guys look bad. Would not be surprised to see anyone who was in the offense this season and ends up on a new team next season go on to play well and it makes us even angrier about this season's offense. But I they have to go cheaper somewhere and I think TE and starting to find younger and cheaper OL is a good place to start.

@DaEagles4Life How's that energy today? You still feeling good about your boy Hurts or what? I forgot, you pick a team or player and when they stink, you disappear and move on the next player/team.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Time to move on from Goedert. He isn’t the same level of receiving TE as he used to be and his blocking skills have eroded to the point he is no longer a two-way player.

I really want an OC who will look for more of a pure receiving TE. And while Goedert may still be an excellent WR and we just wouldnt know it with Hurts Im fine moving on at his age, and propensity for missing weeks of the season.

Childhood Topps baseball card collector would be thrilled knowing Don Mattingly was a part of the Phillies.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

My point in all that was nick’s 2021 and 2022 where his offense got better and better over time is similar to Doug with Reich. Doug and Frank just meshed together very well and make to maximize each other’s ability. Once that left the building Doug was never able to get back to that height. That’s not Reich was the mastermind behind it all. It’s Doug needed someone like Reich to maximize his strengths and abilities. Cause by himself without that person he was not the same coach. He showed that after 2017 as he never truly got back to an offense that was like that in Philly or Jacksonville

Right and Doug called plays and it still fell apart. It's hard to get everything right and keep it right. McVay is really smart and has had a lot of talent and he's won once. Shanahan has never won. That's not an excuse. The Eagles need a new OC and a new system but there's no formula that has proven to work other than having the best QB in the league tends to be the top criteria most of the time

2 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

I think he has the Hurts relationship and cred from Buffalo tho I'm not sure how well his temperament would mesh

Don't care about that. Honestly, I want coaches who don't baby these players too much, if anything. They are undisciplined, they need someone to get on their asses like Fangio does on his defense.

1 minute ago, NOTW said:

Would Lurie/Howie realistically bring in an OC with thoughts that he could potentially replace Siri if fired? Or just bring in a competent OC and risk him leaving after a year for another job?

Do they worry about personality and leadership styles clashing? I feel like Daboll and Siri would have weekly fist fights.

I think they did that with Moore.

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

I really want an OC who will look for more of a pure receiving TE. And while Goedert may still be an excellent WR and we just wouldnt know it with Hurts Im fine moving on at his age, and propensity for missing weeks of the season.

Kenyon Sadiq would be damn intriguing.

7 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

That play worked once, maybe twice with Goedert - and when it did, it wasn't against cover 4. Wrong play to call - especially after a timeout. If you don't understand that - go join Patullo's crew in the soon to be unemployment line.

Yup 4 verts against cover 4 is a failure before the snap and its not like the niners D was disguising what they were doing.

Im not sure what a good call on 4th n 11 is against cover 4, my initial thought would be dont get in 4th and 11 make the down more manageable, my second thought is I dont get paid to call that play but the Dudes that do failed miserably.

I think the best option on the play was smitty but it was a real tight window on a windy day that required perfect timing and anticipation all things Hurts struggles with but I would have taken my chances there rather than throwing it to goedert in quadruple coverage...

Just now, bpac55 said:

Kenyon Sadiq would be damn intriguing.

yeah but Im not really in to first round TEs.

Id actually be ok with trying Pitts if he is cheaper than Goedert. And drafting someone a bit later.

I also think Calc is a fine #2 as a pure receiving TE. He has made plenty of plays in the passing game in previous seasons. Patullo's insistence on using him as a run blocker built a lot of ill will against him this year.

Stop worrying that a great OC would leave and worry more about getting a great OC and give him the authority to hire great people so that you have an OC in waiting if all goes well. Quite frankly I'm fine with going to the SB every other year and losing OCs. That's better than every other team is doing right now

If someone is looking for an offensive version of Fangio, as in someone who most likely won’t be looking for a HC job and would bring some stability to the position, then Monken is probably the best bet. He might not be the best out there, but if you bring in McDaniel, Daboll, Stefanski (who is probably going to get another HC job this cycle so probably not a realistic option), then we’re dealing with the same problem next year if the offense improves.

1 minute ago, Utebird said:

Yup 4 verts against cover 4 is a failure before the snap and its not like the niners D was disguising what they were doing.

Im not sure what a good call on 4th n 11 is against cover 4, my initial thought would be dont get in 4th and 11 make the down more manageable, my second thought is I dont get paid to call that play but the Dudes that do failed miserably.

I think the best option on the play was smitty but it was a real tight window on a windy day that required perfect timing and anticipation all things Hurts struggles with but I would have taken my chances there rather than throwing it to goedert in quadruple coverage...

Maybe its because of who our QB is but I think the fans here made far too big a deal about the wind the last bunch of weeks.

Terry Bradshaw wanted to see them sling it. Erin Andrews said I dont know how thats possible Terry. And he basically called BS. Then, Tom Brady gave a lesson on cutting the wind up in the booth during the game.

You can still throw in the wind.