44 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

yeah. basically, they should all move to guard.

The meh tackles look a bit better as guard prospects.

The true guards are mostly only ok too. There are a bunch of Juan Castillo phone booth blockers at guard in this class. Not movement OZ types.

It does have centers who can move though, and guys with positional versatility. Zuhn is one of those guys, and one of my guys. I wouldnt hate them even drafting a true center like Logan Jones.

1 hour ago, St0nedsk8er said:

Didn’t Peyton have multiple no. 3 wide receivers go over 1000 yards ? Dallas Clark too.

He had 1 whole season where 3 wide receivers went over 1k yards.

edit. if we're talking just WR #3 that went over 1k, google says Wes Welker and Brandon Stokley only did it once with P. Manning

1 hour ago, St0nedsk8er said:

Didn’t Peyton have multiple no. 3 wide receivers go over 1000 yards ? Dallas Clark too.

I'll have to check. I looked at the year they won the SB and a couple years around that, thinking that was the peak and good example.

Still, most #3 WR aren't getting many targets if the team has 2 great WRs

That poll seems ro have backfired.

23 minutes ago, NOTW said:

I'll have to check. I looked at the year they won the SB and a couple years around that, thinking that was the peak and good example.

Still, most #3 WR aren't getting many targets if the team has 2 great WRs

Yeah, it looks like WR3 is comparable to other teams - it's just that we kind of stop flat there while more guys get involved elsewhere.

What a terrible downgrade.

DiCecco's latest Eagles mock has the team going offense early:

#23 -- Max Iheanachor OT

#54 -- Eli Stowers TE

#68 -- Ted Hurst WR

Hurts to Hurst??

13 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

My Quinyon Mitchell of this draft.

That is probably Chris Johnson.

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

DiCecco's latest Eagles mock has the team going offense early:

#23 -- Max Iheanachor OT

#54 -- Eli Stowers TE

#68 -- Ted Hurst WR

Hurts to Hurst??

Can do a lot worse, but if they trade AJ they aren't make the playoffs with that WR group(among other things).

Not necessarily just because I don't think the group is very good(I'm not a fan of Wicks or Hollywood Brown and I think they will have very little impact) but I'm not too high on the QB right now either.

What is the over/under on Howie trades during the draft? Let’s say 4.

I would take the over.

20 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

That is probably Chris Johnson.

Being that Chris Johnson has the 1st round buzz, I guess thats a better comp.

I just think Demmings, from an even smaller program is going to be awesome as well.

50 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Yeah, it looks like WR3 is comparable to other teams - it's just that we kind of stop flat there while more guys get involved elsewhere.

Thanks. I've been making that point for years. You have to include the TE as well because most teams have their two WRs and their TE as their top 3 receivers. So the WR3 is really the 4th receiving option. Then you have RBs that may be more involved in the pass game with screens and check downs.

Clearly the Eagles brought in new guys at WR to have depth (and once AJ traded to spread his targets around), and Mannion is supposedly going to want to throw to more receivers. But this complaint about touches for a 4th receiving option, when you look at other teams they're not doing it either if they have 2 stud receivers and a good TE.

If Eagles go OT round 1 I really want Chris Bell round 2. I love the guy, I think he's a round 1 guy if not for the ACL. I like him much better than the other projected round 2 WRs.

32 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

DiCecco's latest Eagles mock has the team going offense early:

#23 -- Max Iheanachor OT

#54 -- Eli Stowers TE

#68 -- Ted Hurst WR

Hurts to Hurst??

Vomitus

27 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

What is the over/under on Howie trades during the draft? Let’s say 4.

I would take the over.

Over. Howie loves trolling fans on Day 3 by moving all the time after we waited a few hours for the pick

48 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

DiCecco's latest Eagles mock has the team going offense early:

#23 -- Max Iheanachor OT

#54 -- Eli Stowers TE

#68 -- Ted Hurst WR

Hurts to Hurst??

Ted Hurst did it all for the Nookie

22 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

If Eagles go OT round 1 I really want Chris Bell round 2. I love the guy, I think he's a round 1 guy if not for the ACL. I like him much better than the other projected round 2 WRs.

He has round 1 highlights. With his size and speed, his extreme rawness drops him to maybe round 3 (and the injury). Hes not on my do not draft list. But Im a little afraid of bustability. Youll have to have the right role in the right offense for him to have immediate success. Hes not going to line up at X and be good for you from day 1.

Im Smith is to be our move guy here, then theres not a role for Bell on our team.

3 hours ago, St0nedsk8er said:

Didn’t Peyton have multiple no. 3 wide receivers go over 1000 yards ? Dallas Clark too.

So coming back to this. First of all, if you're including Dallas Clark the TE, that agrees with the point I made that you include the TE in the receiving options so if you have 2 WRs and a TE with that many, what's left for a 3rd WR?

Dallas Clark had 1 season over 1,000 yards in 2009 (1,106 yards), but Marvin Harrison had retired. Peyton had two 1,000 yard receivers that season not 3: Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark. The next highest for Clark was 848, his 1,000 season was an outlier. Most of his seasons he was at 340-488 yards. So that was not a season with three 1,000 yard receivers.

As for having a 3rd WR going over 1,000 yards and more about the Colts offense:

• In 2004, he had 3 receivers with over 1,000 yards: Wayne, Harrison, Stokley. The following year, Stokley only had 543 yards. His career went downhill from there with injuries and even in full seasons he had typical WR3 numbers of yards in the 300s. So that one season was a rare outlier.

• During Manning's Colts career he only had one 1,000 yard receiver from 1998 - 2003.

• Reggie Wayne joined the team in 2001 but did not have 1,000 yards until his 4th season in 2004

• Manning's rookie year his top receiver was his RB with 908 yards. His RB was one of his top 3 receivers for the first 3 years of his career.

• With the Broncos (2012-2015) he had two 1,000 yard receivers. He had Wes Welker at 3rd WR who had one strong season, but the other season their 3rd WR had typical WR3 numbers.

So even one of the top elite QBs of all time didn't have 3rd and 4th receivers putting up big numbers. There were a couple outlier seasons, but mostly the typical. And that's with an elite passer.

2 hours ago, MF POON said:

He had 1 whole season where 3 wide receivers went over 1k yards.

edit. if we're talking just WR #3 that went over 1k, google says Wes Welker and Brandon Stokley only did it once with P. Manning

He almost did it a 2nd time in 2013. Decker and D. Thomas had 1k. Welker missed 3 games and came up with 778yds and J. Thomas had 788yds

He's the only QB with 5 players scoring 10+TDs

32 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

If Eagles go OT round 1 I really want Chris Bell round 2. I love the guy, I think he's a round 1 guy if not for the ACL. I like him much better than the other projected round 2 WRs.

I'm a Chris Bell guy also.. Think he goes top 15-20 if no injury. Howie has said in the past he prefers one of his wide receivers to be like a point guard (Smith) and the other to be more power forward (AJ and then Bell would fit that mold).

41 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Being that Chris Johnson has the 1st round buzz, I guess thats a better comp.

I just think Demmings, from an even smaller program is going to be awesome as well.

He just turned 23 earlier this month, which is actually better than thought as so many of these guys are older.

I heard the Faulk just turned 21... last October🤣.

On another front, it’s a little weird that the Ryan Fowler dude said he was joining eagles coverage on NBCPhilly and Zangaro hasn’t acknowledged it at all to my knowledge

6 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

I'm a Chris Bell guy also.. Think he goes top 15-20 if no injury. Howie has said in the past he prefers one of his wide receivers to be like a point guard (Smith) and the other to be more power forward (AJ and then Bell would fit that mold).

I believed that at one point.

Ive come to think he was overhyped based on how extremely raw he is plus lack of separation, plus inconsistent physicality in the run game and contested catches.

He will probably get drafted in the 2nd. I think he probably belonged in the 2nd all along. Rawness and injury should push him to the 3rd.

You see the size and speed and people want to make the AJ Brown or Deebo comps. Its a little like the Treylon Burks trap. Hes a better prospect than Burks but theres enough with Bell to be very wary about, before you even begin to consider the injury.

17 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

He just turned 23 earlier this month, which is actually better than thought as so many of these guys are older.

I heard the Faulk just turned 21... last October🤣.

Yeah. Faulk is super young and so people think his weaknesses will develop. Ive made the Amobi Okoye comparisons- theres no guarantee. Okoye was supposed to be elite, and was drafted as a 19 year old.. What he would become as a grown man was unfathomable. Except, he just busted out of the league pretty quickly instead.

re: Demmings- In this draft, finding a 4 year senior is like finding gold. 

AJ Brown and DeVonta Smith have had 3 seasons where they both had 1,000 yards. The one season they didn't, they both only played 13 games and the team added Barkley and was dominant in the run game. Still, in 13 games DeVonta Smith had 833 yards. Had he played in 16 games he would have reached 1,000 (16 because of resting starters).

Clearly we have the best WR duo in Eagles history. Yet we complain about receiving targets to 3rd and 4th WRs. While I agree you need depth and other options when those receivers are covered, but when you have 2 stud WRs, a pretty good TE who was a red zone beast last year, and one of the top RBs in the NFL, it seems minor to complain about targets for a 4th receiving option. Especially a team that has gone to the Super Bowl twice in that timespan and won it.

Historically, the Eagles have never had another WR combo reach 1,000 yards together for more than 1 season. In fact they've only ever had one other season with two WRs reaching 1,000 yards: Maclin and Jordan Matthews in 2014. The combo of DeSean Jackson and Maclin never both had 1,000 yards together for the Eagles. We do have to factor in the extra game with 17, resting starters and injuries. But clearly this WR duo is special and doing things no other duo has in our history.