One thing worth noting is if the Eagles do expect to trade AJ post June 1st and get that extra 1st and 2nd/3rd/4th then they may be more inclined to dip into next year's picks to make deals even though it's a stronger draft because they are projecting to have two 1sts. And also Tanner McKee could bring in a pick too either this year or next year.

53 minutes ago, SinCityEaglesFan2 said:

yes - he's the only tackle that I think would be ready to play if Lane wasn't available. He also remarked at the combine that he models his game after Lane.

In all seriousness what it is about him that excites you?

32 minutes ago, NOTW said:

I'm assuming trade back into the 2nd this year with a 2nd next year (or however the picks value works).

OK with me.

Maybe nothing but seems a little odd.

40 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

How far up do you think it's realistic for Howie to trade in this draft? Going only by the Draftek Trade Value Chart, packaging #23 with 68 might get him to pick #16. If he wanted to get more aggressive, #23 and 54 might get him up to #14 overall.

I don't think he'll be interested in giving up any 2027 capital.

If he fully expects or knows he is getting a 2027 first+ for Brown, along with the 3rd round comp pick they will get for Phillips I wouldn't be so sure of that. You are probably right though since they are going to want to have more picks in a better draft, especially since they have to see how the QB does or does not fit in the new offense. I would be REALLY surprised if they gave up 54 or 68 to move up. The strength of those draft seems to be in it's depth in rounds 2-4, NOT in the quality of prospects in round 1/early round 2. Unless someone falls to them I wouldn't be surprised to see them move down. Hopefully some team is desperate for Ty Simpson and we can be the beneficiary of that. If we could get 34 and 65 for 23 and 137 with the built in "QB tax" I would be all for it.

1 hour ago, DEagle7 said:

I think I've come to the conclusion that this TE class sucks ass and the best we can hope for is a role player in the later rounds. Sadiq is the only one who can block and catch worth a damn. And while I like him and think he'd be a great fit, at the end of the day he's a smaller TE prospect with 1 year of decent stats in college that you'd have to use a first rounder on. Seems dangerous.

I think you came to an incorrect conclusion.

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

Who are the players that you would be upset if they were there at 23 and they traded back? (To them, they didn't see the value and wanted to collect a future 2nd round pick in return to load up for next year).

Only McNeil-Warren and Thieneman.

I assume Howell and Malachi Lawrence will already be gone, OR be there later. Basically, teams are high on them and theyre sneaky get drafted higher than you think guys, or, they are 2nd rounders. Never really see them mocked at 23, so I cant be mad. Although, Id be very happy to just take one of them at 23 as well.

I wont even be mad at the eagles for taking Jacas at 23 because he is such a good fit and they may not want to get too cute.

1 hour ago, DEagle7 said:

I think I've come to the conclusion that this TE class sucks ass and the best we can hope for is a role player in the later rounds. Sadiq is the only one who can block and catch worth a damn. And while I like him and think he'd be a great fit, at the end of the day he's a smaller TE prospect with 1 year of decent stats in college that you'd have to use a first rounder on. Seems dangerous.

Couldn't disagree more, Klare, Delp, and Roush in the late 2nd to late 3rd round range are super interesting. Joly, Raridon, and Royer are high upside day three picks, and Boerkircher and Kacmare are elite blockers in the Jackson Hawes mode. I love this TE class and if we don't get Sadiq I wouldn't mind doubling up.

8 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Hes a great speed rusher, however he is smaller and slower than Howell. I have paid no attention to him because of his size and figured we dont want another Nolan Smith situation. And if we WERE going undersized edge, Howell is better so hes my guy.

Im really a little wary about the list of guys we have shown interest in. Last few years Ive been nailing guys theyd like. This year, we arent very in sync and I dont like it.

6 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I think you came to an incorrect conclusion.

Who else has realistic TE1 potential other than Sadiq? I don't really see anyone who is average or above blocking running and receiving

I'm starting to get this strange feeling the Eagles are going edge rusher at 23 or might trade down and do the same. There seems to be a lot of buzz for guys like Zion Young, Malachi Lawrence, and R. Mason Thomas getting drafted in the first round. These OL (Iheanachor, Miller, Lomu) just feel like 2nd round picks most years and a reach to fill a need which Howie doesn't do any longer.

I think Harmon is one of the best in the business at breaking down receivers.

11 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Only McNeil-Warren and Thieneman.

I assume Howell and Malachi Lawrence will already be gone, OR be there later. Basically, teams are high on them and theyre sneaky get drafted higher than you think guys, or, they are 2nd rounders. Never really see them mocked at 23, so I cant be mad. Although, Id be very happy to just take one of them at 23 as well.

I wont even be mad at the eagles for taking Jacas at 23 because he is such a good fit and they may not want to get too cute.

FWIW, McShay said based on what he’s hearing Howell isn’t going round 1.

4 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Couldn't disagree more, Klare, Delp, and Roush in the late 2nd to late 3rd round range are super interesting. Joly, Raridon, and Royer are high upside day three picks, and Boerkircher and Kacmare are elite blockers in the Jackson Hawes mode. I love this TE class and if we don't get Sadiq I wouldn't mind doubling up.

Klare isn't a good blocker, limited YAC and hands come and go. At best he's mediocre at both.

Delp has never caught more than 24 passes in a season.

Roush is a high end blocking TE who moves like a high end blocking TE.

Literally none of those guys block AND receive at an average or above level. It's one or the other.

Just now, DEagle7 said:

Who else has realistic TE1 potential other than Sadiq? I don't really see anyone who is average or above blocking running and receiving

Klare and Delp are the next most well rounded. You can argue Delp is better blocking than Sadiq.

Royer looks excellent.

Raridon looks very good.

Boerkircher is a pretty good blocker and receiver. Eagles have shown interest, but hes an older prospect.

Klein is more developmental but is said to have the tools to become a good blocker. Good athlete. German with a soccer background.

Ill spare you the guys who can do both but dont look talented enough to become TE1s.

The above guys do. And though theyre not polished blockers, neither were most TE1s in the league. These guys listed are not the bad blockers of the class, they are the ones who look like they will develop as blockers. Have the willingness and effort.

The vast majority of pro bowl/all pro TEs were the upper echelon athletes at the position. If you are looking for blocking first, youre looking at the wrong group of guys.

Theres a list of TE2s in this draft who can do both. Its a pretty deep position in this draft.

8 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

I'm starting to get this strange feeling the Eagles are going edge rusher at 23 or might trade down and do the same. There seems to be a lot of buzz for guys like Zion Young, Malachi Lawrence, and R. Mason Thomas getting drafted in the first round. These OL (Iheanachor, Miller, Lomu) just feel like 2nd round picks most years and a reach to fill a need which Howie doesn't do any longer.

Im not sure Young will because he has character concerns.

Lawrence absolutely should.

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

FWIW, McShay said based on what he’s hearing Howell isn’t going round 1.

Id be thrilled if he was there for us in round 2.

But Im always of the belief that your draft board is so small, you have to get your guy and I dont care much about conventional wisdom of where a guy is ranked. Sure, if you can trade down and get him, do it. But if youre not sure, dont get cute. Get your guy.

Id be fine taking him there which would be seen as a reach by most. And Im crazy enough to have just said earlier, Id be fine if the eagles took Jacas there too. Hes not a guy Im personally SUPER high on, but I like him and I think the eagles will love him.

I like Howell but I don’t see him being a Fangio type.

4 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Klare and Delp are the next most well rounded. You can argue Delp is better blocking than Sadiq.

Royer looks excellent.

Raridon looks very good.

Boerkircher is a pretty good blocker and receiver. Eagles have shown interest, but hes an older prospect.

Klein is more developmental but is said to have the tools to become a good blocker. Good athlete. German with a soccer background.

Ill spare you the guys who can do both but dont look talented enough to become TE1s.

The above guys do. And though theyre not polished blockers, neither were most TE1s in the league. These guys listed are not the bad blockers of the class, they are the ones who look like they will develop as blockers. Have the willingness and effort.

The vast majority of pro bowl/all pro TEs were the upper echelon athletes at the position. If you are looking for blocking first, youre looking at the wrong group of guys.

Theres a list of TE2s in this draft who can do both. Its a pretty deep position in this draft.

Baltimore’s GM today said the TE class is quite good and talked about double dipping like they did years ago with Hurst and Andrews.

13 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I think Harmon is one of the best in the business at breaking down receivers.

Yep. Definitely have all of these WRs grouped in to different categories. I thought about making that post with them grouped the way I see it but figured itd be too long and nobody would care.

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Yep. Definitely have all of these WRs grouped in to different categories. I thought about making that post with them grouped the way I see it but figured itd be too long and nobody would care.

I would like to see a list of potential X receivers who can beat press coverage and will block. That’s what McVay and the Shanny tree want.

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Baltimore’s GM today said the TE class is quite good and talked about double dipping like they did years ago with Hurst and Andrews.

Yeah its damn good. Though its a bit like WR where it lacks elite at the top. Maybe outside of Sadiq but there are even production questions about him, and the fact that he isnt prototype sized at 6'3''. However, youll find productive TEs well in to day 3 of this draft. And I can see a bunch of them potentially being stars.

Meanwhile youll see youtube draft channels putting guys late like Delp in round 4. Royer in round 5 or 6...

Its very slept on in the online draft community.

There are a ton. It again ends up splitting in to pick your flavor. And theres enough talent to put a bunch of names in to a bunch of categories. Ive already posted TE1s, TE2s who can become TE1s, TE2s, TE3s....

7 hours ago, Waiting4Someday said:

While I'm more bullish then you on this OT class, taking Freeling in top-15 seems pretty wild. Most years they're freakier guys with a similar amount of experience going in the late teens.

I feel like Georgia alone produces an athletic freak RT with limited playing experience every year.

6 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Klare and Delp are the next most well rounded. You can argue Delp is better blocking than Sadiq.

Royer looks excellent.

Raridon looks very good.

Boerkircher

I just don't see it with Klare. He's too inconsistent and I don't think he can block particularly well.

Delp better be a better blocker than Sadiq considering he has 3 seasons with about 20 receptions under his belt. TE2 written all over him.

Royer seems more like an H back. Good build and speed but really doesn't have anything to offer other than wheel routes and underneath stuff. Again 29 receptions total...meh. Good athlete. Mid TE. Maybe the only other guy I can see getting there but it takes a lot of projection.

Raridon is similar in that he looks good with the ball in his hands, but his receiving seems very limited. TE2 type.

Boerkircher is an incredible blocker. He has caught 38 TOTAL passes in 6 years of college ball.