5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

This is where it becomes very important that Mannion is the real deal and that he interfaces well with Howie. From the outside looking in, we really don't know what "fits" are anymore for this offense. OL, WR, TE...QB. They have to draft accordingly.

Packers had

Speed guy- Watkins

Move guy- Reed

Inside outside quick guy- Golden

Inside outside stronger guy- Doubs/Wicks

DeVonta can fit the Golden, or the Reed role.

Hollywood fits the speed guy but theyd probably like to upgrade. He can also fit the Golden role. Again, this role can be upgraded.

They brought in Wicks for the disappointing Doubs/Wicks role.

Depending on where you slot some of those guys, we have a few roles open, but there is flexibility. Because the guys we do have can do more than one of those roles. So we can take a move guy, a speed guy, or an inside/outside quick guy.

All of GBs WRs played at least 20% of their snaps from the slot. Notable how much they all travel. But, thats hard for us to scout. Just because a guy played mostly in the slot in college doesnt mean he cant do both (Justin Jefferson, etc....).

10 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Packers had

Speed guy- Watkins

Move guy- Reed

Inside outside quick guy- Golden

Inside outside stronger guy- Doubs/Wicks

DeVonta can fit the Golden, or the Reed role.

Hollywood fits the speed guy but theyd probably like to upgrade. He can also fit the Golden role. Again, this role can be upgraded.

They brought in Wicks for the disappointing Doubs/Wicks role.

Depending on where you slot some of those guys, we have a few roles open, but there is flexibility. Because the guys we do have can do more than one of those roles. So we can take a move guy, a speed guy, or an inside/outside quick guy.

All of GBs WRs played at least 20% of their snaps from the slot. Notable how much they all travel. But, thats hard for us to scout. Just because a guy played mostly in the slot in college doesnt mean he cant do both (Justin Jefferson, etc....).

You’re gonna be bummed by this, but unless we acquire a vet when we eventually trade AJB, Wicks is probably the X. Like Doubs, he can beat press coverage and will block.

Devonta will be the guy they move between slot and Z to get him the best looks/matchups. Hollywood is the deep threat. Maybe we draft Concepcion and he’s the speed receiver.

The Packers have pretty much only used Reed as a slot. I’m not sure we want that kinda guy or we want to have three interchangeable players, but we definitely need at least one guy the coaches feel good about playing X and doing big boy stuff.

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

Not sure he’ll beat press in the pros but I read he will block his butt off. I like him late in round 3.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

You’re gonna be bummed by this, but unless we acquire a vet when we eventually trade AJB, Wicks is probably the X. Like Doubs, he can beat press coverage and will block.

Devonta will be the guy they move between slot and Z to get him the best looks/matchups. Hollywood is the deep threat. Maybe we draft Concepcion and he’s the speed receiver.

The Packers have pretty much only used Reed as a slot. I’m not sure we want that kinda guy or we want to have three interchangeable players, but we definitely need at least one guy the coaches feel good about playing X and doing big boy stuff.

Until I see otherwise Im going to keep believing there is no way Wicks is planned to be anything more than WR4 blocking specialist. Basically, his same role, a role player like he was in Green Bay.

My Quinyon Mitchell of this draft.

39 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Packers had

Speed guy- Watkins

Move guy- Reed

Inside outside quick guy- Golden

Inside outside stronger guy- Doubs/Wicks

DeVonta can fit the Golden, or the Reed role.

Hollywood fits the speed guy but theyd probably like to upgrade. He can also fit the Golden role. Again, this role can be upgraded.

They brought in Wicks for the disappointing Doubs/Wicks role.

Depending on where you slot some of those guys, we have a few roles open, but there is flexibility. Because the guys we do have can do more than one of those roles. So we can take a move guy, a speed guy, or an inside/outside quick guy.

All of GBs WRs played at least 20% of their snaps from the slot. Notable how much they all travel. But, thats hard for us to scout. Just because a guy played mostly in the slot in college doesnt mean he cant do both (Justin Jefferson, etc....).

I realize to say I'm preaching to the choir would be an understatement, but I do not think the QB is going to be comfortable utilizing 4 WRs with different skill sets.

11 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I realize to say I'm preaching to the choir would be an understatement, but I do not think the QB is going to be comfortable utilizing 4 WRs with different skill sets.

To be fair, there is a sentiment that LaFleur rotating so may different receivers impacted Love as well. It was hard for him to build a rapport with 5 guys.

12 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

To be fair, there is a sentiment that LaFleur rotating so may different receivers impacted Love as well. It was hard for him to build a rapport with 5 guys.

Absolutely. Conducting an orchestra with tons of targets is very much a cerebral veteran qb ask.

Everyone knows that the best friend of a qb on the earlier end of their development curve is 1-2 do it all targets.

6 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

Yeah.

The thing is, itll collapse just the same if they DO take an OT in round 1 and the guy sucks. Thatll set them back potentially a few years till they give up on him, and then get it right sometime down the road.

Not forcing, and taking defense as BPA when its obvious is the way to go.

Indeed. Furthermore, better players can be traded if need be. To me, the Eagles don't have the luxury to hope their first pick can play, they have to know he can play.

With many other QBs, having a favorite target is praised. The announcers say he's going to "his guy" and call it a special connection. Most QBs throw majority to 2-3 receivers which includes TE. Other receiving options get limited targets. Peyton Manning mainly threw to his two great receivers Harrison and Wayne. Their other receivers got minimal touches. Same with Aikman to Irvin, Harper and Novacek. Others.

Some teams spread the ball around more because they're all average to good receivers but not necessarily top talent. When you have two 1,000 yard receivers like Smitty & AJ plus a talent like Goedert at TE...and the best RB in football, of course there aren't many touches left for a WR3 (who is the 4th receiving option).

4 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

My Quinyon Mitchell of this draft.

Demmings is one of my wants on day 3

3 hours ago, SinCityEaglesFan2 said:

Demmings is one of my wants on day 3

Don't believe he will be there on day 3

We are better off drafting 2 TEs in this class (RDs 2 to 4) than a WR at any point. In this scheme, we can carry 4 TEs and will be fine for 2026+. It's just not a great WR class. Denzel Boston!!! getting RD1 buzz is an alarm bell.

I just saw a DiBona draft that was pretty nice. It must have been a little old because he projected us to trade a 5th and Bennett for Wicks.

But we got Thieneman round 1 with a trade up to 19, using a 3rd. Lawrence round 2. Hurst round 3. Forgetting rounds now but we doubled up at TE with Joly, and Boerkircher later. And Julian Neal at CB. The worst pick was I think he selected Burke, the memphis OT in round 4 which is too early. In all though, nice draft.

This guy reminds me of Josh Paschal. Theres not a lot of suddenness, but he wins with strength. He just decides he is going to occupy whichever gap he wants to. And then, he will power his way to the QB if its a pass play. Should be a really good run defender at minimum. Decent depth late in the draft if the team would want this type of player.

22 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I just saw a DiBona draft that was pretty nice. It must have been a little old because he projected us to trade a 5th and Bennett for Wicks.

But we got Thieneman round 1 with a trade up to 19, using a 3rd. Lawrence round 2. Hurst round 3. Forgetting rounds now but we doubled up at TE with Joly, and Boerkircher later. And Julian Neal at CB. The worst pick was I think he selected Burke, the memphis OT in round 4 which is too early. In all though, nice draft.

Some nice names, if he swapped one of DTs for Burke… SB!

Getting those first 3, pretty pretty good at those picks.

Can't believe the draft is a week away. It has so little juice.

11 minutes ago, RLC said:

Can't believe the draft is a week away. It has so little juice.

Yeah this draft is lacking top end talent, story lines, buzz, excitement, etc.

8 hours ago, NOTW said:

With many other QBs, having a favorite target is praised. The announcers say he's going to "his guy" and call it a special connection. Most QBs throw majority to 2-3 receivers which includes TE. Other receiving options get limited targets. Peyton Manning mainly threw to his two great receivers Harrison and Wayne. Their other receivers got minimal touches. Same with Aikman to Irvin, Harper and Novacek. Others.

Some teams spread the ball around more because they're all average to good receivers but not necessarily top talent. When you have two 1,000 yard receivers like Smitty & AJ plus a talent like Goedert at TE...and the best RB in football, of course there aren't many touches left for a WR3 (who is the 4th receiving option).

Didn’t Peyton have multiple no. 3 wide receivers go over 1000 yards ? Dallas Clark too.

13 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

Forgot, one of my sleepers for you. Carsen Ryan from BYU. Played over 50% of his snaps in line. 6'4'' 250, and ran a 4.66 at his pro day. Productive receiver. Good size and speed. excellent PFF run blocking grade.

How is his body control, vision, stopping, route running and hands and does he love ball?

8 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

How is his body control, vision, stopping, route running and hands and does he love ball?

Here is some of what Brugler wrote about him.

Father played college football at William Penn. Then coached some future NFLers in college such as Garrett Bolles.

Carsen was a multisport athlete. Football has been his favorite sport since elementary school.

Strengths

Good route speed.

Catches the ball cleanly with his hands, focus doesnt wane in stride

Natural body control in his routes and at the catch point

Strong and balanced as a runner. Open field tacklers often slide off his frame.

Physical and smart with his inline blocking duties.

Strong at the point but also maximizes body positioning to shield.

Outstanding football toughness. (All he does is work, according to an NFL scout)

Summary- Y TE. 59.6% of career snaps inline. He started college at UCLA, then 1 year at Utah, and then transferred to BYU to become more involved as a pass catcher. Urgent route runner, reliable hands, and some creativity after the catch. Quick and physical with inline duties to reach cut off or get outside defenders. Overall, Ryan is more coordinated than explosive and offers an appealing mix of pass-catching talent and blocking toughness. Regardless of where he is drafted, he has the type of talent that sticks on a roster and becomes valuable for an NFL offense.