26 minutes ago, TEW said:

Fortunately, we still have all of these mocks in a database.

Here is the earliest one from a reputable source in CBS. 3 QBs in the first 4 picks, 5 total in the first round, with Mendoza as the 33rd rated prospect still on the board in the second round, dated April 24th, 2025. And this one didn’t even have Manning or Sellars going in the first, both of whom were getting mocked in #1 overall at various points.

Go ahead and look at all of the way too early mock drafts yourself if you want:

https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/mock-drafts/2026/cbs-2026-blake-brockermeyer?date=2025-04-25

That's not what is in dispute. I've never heard any analyst or draft geek over the last several years call Nussmeier or Allar "generational" QBs. They were projected to go higher a year ago, but I've never heard anyone say it was going to be a generational QB class. Who ever called Allar or Nussmeier generational? Them going that high a year ago in mocks is more of an indictment on the QB class more than anything. And yeah those QBs were thought more highly of a year ago, but were never thought to be Andrew Luck, Trevor Lawrence, Caleb Williams, etc type prospects. Not ever.

Apparently Albert Breer said Eagles have already been making calls to move up. Among other teams. Bucs are a team to watch at 15 to move down.

1 hour ago, DEagle7 said:

I like Stukes, wouldn't mind him a round early. Maybe second. I also think the Safety prospects falls off a fair amount after him. There are interesting guys but he's the last one I'd feel good about possibly starting quickly.

I think he goes rd 2

6 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

I think he goes rd 2

I do too, but only because of the age.

He will be 25 in September. So, rookie contract runs out at 29, or 30 years old if he has the 5th year option.

He has ONE shot at getting a big NFL payday on his second contract. But, will already be 30 years old... How do you approach that 2nd contract?

52 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Ok. But I’m literally telling you at least one team agreed with me and actually chose a 2027 first round pick over the 2026 one. I bet Howie would too.

Its almost as if time introduces uncertainty…groundbreaking stuff

1 minute ago, ToastJenkins said:

Its almost as if time introduces uncertainty…groundbreaking stuff

What do you mean?

5 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I do too, but only because of the age.

He will be 25 in September. So, rookie contract runs out at 29, or 30 years old if he has the 5th year option.

He has ONE shot at getting a big NFL payday on his second contract. But, will already be 30 years old... How do you approach that 2nd contract?

If he is that good he can demand it at 28

Just now, ToastJenkins said:

If he is that good he can demand it at 28

that is true

14 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Apparently Albert Breer said Eagles have already been making calls to move up. Among other teams. Bucs are a team to watch at 15 to move down.

Howie always does that. The draft board is like snakes and ladders, where you need to have the ability to call and ask a GM "are we still good for that deal we worked out?” Eight minutes on the clock isn’t a long time to barter.

Just now, ManuManu said:

What do you mean?

That TEWs argument is nonsense basically. Was agreeing with you. Talk is cheap. What what people do.

Going a year out with a gazillion variable of course things will be wrong and different. I do agree that NIL money renders historical data far less valuable

Also the clickbait stuff doesnt hold any water. Every class is the craziest ever blah blah blah

29 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Apparently Albert Breer said Eagles have already been making calls to move up. Among other teams. Bucs are a team to watch at 15 to move down.

No geriatric prospect problems here…

Just now, Waiting4Someday said:

No geriatric prospect problems here…

Pretty much the only prospect somewhat worth moving up for.

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Pretty much the only prospect somewhat worth moving up for.

What’s the most you’d be willing to throw in with 23 for him?

Albert Breer said it was for OT btw. He said the Eagles, Lions, Chiefs, Browns(I'm assuming their other 1st rounder) and some other teams exploring moving up for an OT where the run is expected to go 14-18.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

What’s the most you’d be willing to throw in with 23 for him?

oh man I dont know. Id prefer to just stay at 23 and take McNeil-Warren. Now he might drop to round two....

Im not keen on trading up for a safety when we can have him, or one of my edges.

But if we did trade up, im not thrilled about OL or any of those edges. Im not thrilled with moving up for these WRs. Theineman seems like the best player in that range.

I guess it could be Sadiq too...

We are gonna have to accept that eventually they are gonna bite the bullet and take an OT in the 1st. Might as well be this year in a weak draft so there's less FOMO if the pick ends up being a bust. The Eagles will never pick high enough to take the top two tackles in any near future draft class. So if you're gonna be taking one of the later OTs, might as well be this year. In future years will need to save their draft capital in case they need a QB. Am I in love with the OTs in this class? No, but I've made my peace with it. And I don't pretend to be some OL talent evaluator.

Trading up for a TE or Safety seems like a weird choice. Not as bad as getting into a bidding war to trade up for a flawed OT prospect though.

Just now, DEagle7 said:

Trading up for a TE or Safety seems like a weird choice. Not as bad as getting into a bidding war to trade up for a flawed OT prospect though.

yep. would be weird. I dont think itd be what theyre doing. Just saying, those guys are probably the only guys remotely worth it.

If we trade up for a tackle, it would really feel like we forced the pick.

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

If we trade up for a tackle, it would really feel like we forced the pick.

I don't think so necessarily. I think Howie would view it as Freeling or Proctor being the best OT in this draft class in 3+ years and if you can get the best OT in a draft class picking in the middle of the round instead of at the top, then that's a win. The only reason Freeling and Proctor aren't going top 10 in this draft is because they're raw, and taking a raw player who could develop into the best of their class, screams Howie value move.

17 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

What’s the most you’d be willing to throw in with 23 for him?

If MIN takes him at 18 so be it, but I might look to bail out CAR who aren’t likely to be happy with the DE and WR prospects at 19 allowing us to get ahead of Christian Parker. So, that early 4th?

1 hour ago, Sack that QB said:

That's not what is in dispute. I've never heard any analyst or draft geek over the last several years call Nussmeier or Allar "generational" QBs. They were projected to go higher a year ago, but I've never heard anyone say it was going to be a generational QB class. Who ever called Allar or Nussmeier generational? Them going that high a year ago in mocks is more of an indictment on the QB class more than anything. And yeah those QBs were thought more highly of a year ago, but were never thought to be Andrew Luck, Trevor Lawrence, Caleb Williams, etc type prospects. Not ever.

The CLASS was considered generational, with potentially 8 first round picks. But they basically all flopped and/or stayed in school.

Which is exactly the point. You can’t project out with much accuracy. Maybe you can say a position group is likely to be deep because there are a lot of good athletes who have production as underclassmen, but that’s about it.

29 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Trading up for a TE or Safety seems like a weird choice. Not as bad as getting into a bidding war to trade up for a flawed OT prospect though.

Sadiq doesn’t make sense to me. He’s too flawed as a prospect — small, mediocre production and a sloppy route runner. Unless we are going to use him as our new slot receiver and get really creative with him as sort of a hybrid player, he doesn’t make sense to me to trade up to get.

The two safeties I wouldn’t be too upset with though. They’re highly productive, have good technique, don’t have any physical talent shortcomings, and we have an immediate need they can fill.

3 minutes ago, TEW said:

Sadiq doesn’t make sense to me. He’s too flawed as a prospect — small, mediocre production and a sloppy route runner. Unless we are going to use him as our new slot receiver and get really creative with him as sort of a hybrid player, he doesn’t make sense to me to trade up to get.

The two safeties I wouldn’t be too upset with though. They’re highly productive, have good technique, don’t have any physical talent shortcomings, and we have an immediate need they can fill.

If we are looking for a hybrid TE/WR, I prefer to take Stowers a round later than Sadiq in the 1st.

My guess: similar to 2024, he stays at #23, takes BPA who falls. Then trades up either in 2nd or 3rd for another guy who falls.