42 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

I kinda think Hurts’ best comp continues to be Russell Wilson. Not a clean comp, as Wilson was more a scrambler and Hurts a runner, but apt. Shorter, thrives outside the numbers, best passing deep.

I expect Hurts’ cliff to be similar to Wilson’s too. Really hope that when we move on, whether it’s sooner or later, we can get a haul for him before he reaches the cliff. Because then it will be really ugly.

I was mulling over this comparison last week but noted 3 major differences:

1. Wilson had a plus arm, he was a college baseball player like Kyler Murray, and I think the Yankees actually held his MLB rights

2. Wilson was far more adept at avoiding contact and injuries where Hurts tends to get dinged up to some extent

3. Hurts is much better above the neck, regarded as a very hard worker, where it seemed like even Wilson's Seahawks teammates didn't like him

I think Wilson was useful until age 32, when Carroll and Schneider could see he was a better asset leaving than staying. I'm quite pessimistic about what Hurts' game will look like by age 30, tbh. I really prefer he not get another contract in Philly.

6 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I was mulling over this comparison last week but noted 3 major differences:

1. Wilson had a plus arm, he was a college baseball player like Kyler Murray, and I think the Yankees actually held his MLB rights

2. Wilson was far more adept at avoiding contact and injuries where Hurts tends to get dinged up to some extent

3. Hurts is much better above the neck, regarded as a very hard worker, where it seemed like even Wilson's Seahawks teammates didn't like him

I think Wilson was useful until age 32, when Carroll and Schneider could see he was a better asset leaving than staying. I'm quite pessimistic about what Hurts' game will look like by age 30, tbh. I really prefer he not get another contract in Philly.

Wilson hit a cliff when he had his tendon injury in his finger. Im not sure he was going to drop off a cliff without that. There was absolutely nothing to his game except run around and chuck it down field to WRs who always made the play for him. He finally lost the ability to chuck the ball because of his finger.

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

In westbrook's prime, there was Tomlinson, Westbrook, and Faulk who were absolutely dominating, feared offensive weapons.

Barkley is usually, outside of one season, never one of the top 3 RBs, nor dual threat RBs in the league.

If I was building a team and I have a choice between those two as my RB, Id take Westbrook without hesitation.

I don’t know where this latest lunacy has come from but lunacy it is.

I love reading the bull**** that's spewed in here. 🤣 👌 Worse than the FAKE NEWS out there.

2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yes, many. The ones that are apathetic. Caring comes out sideways sometimes... but apathy means the money isn't there, their contracts shrink and they get less money to put up with the grief and criticism.

Many fans don't seem to see the other fanbases criticize their QB so they think we're the only ones. Go on reddit or any social media platform and see the complaints. Go to a bar on gamedays when Eagles aren't on and you'll see we're not the only ones

It appears Campbell may have changed his number from 30 to 11.

3 hours ago, NOTW said:

Are there any fan bases that hate their starting QB as much as Philly?

Bears?

3 hours ago, NOTW said:

Are there any fan bases that hate their starting QB as much as Philly?

It's a myth. According to a recent Quinnipiac Poll, 83% strongly defend Hurts. 7% want him replaced. While 10% are neutral. Probably aligns with about that same ratio in here for members. It's overexaggerated in here because there are the same 5-10 posters screaming hate at the top of their lungs seeking grand attention in here. They are worse DIVAS than Arthur Juan Brown. Most fans in this forum support Jalen Hurts as starter. Willing to bet on that. Nowhere near a 50% disapproval rate.

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

Barkley in NY to me was a lot like CJ Spiller. The speed often let them break a long run most games but in between the glitz and glamor of those few plays, it was 1 yard, 2 yards, loss of yards, 2 yards..., loss of yards...

An example of a really awesome RB saddled by poor OL play was Stephen Jackson with the Rams. He was more reliable. He probably only ran for like 3 yards most kf the time but it was 3 yards, 3 yards, 4 yards, 3 yards, 3 yards...

He was consistent and reliable and created tough yardage when It wasn't there.

Barkley takes many more losses and does not run heard to create tough yardage.

Hes a special athlete who can do special things...when given space. But he needs an ideal set of circumstances. Hes not great on his own. Hes barely even good on his own. Jackson was still good, on his own.

Ok but if that's the case and he's only special "with help", how do you explain them having the same number of yards per carry despite Westbrook having way fewer attempts and yards, and I'd argue a better OL for most of his career (2024 aside)? How does that jive for you?

8 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

McNabb and McNair are two that come to mind

McNabb doesn't come to my mind. Air McNair was always a great passer.

5 hours ago, just relax said:

How about Roger Staubach? Not only was he very much a running QB in college (Navy) but he took five years off after school to complete his military service. It dates me to mention that I saw him play Michigan in Ann Arbor and win. That was the first football game I ever attended.

That's 1

11 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Ok but if that's the case and he's only special "with help", how do you explain them having the same number of yards per carry despite Westbrook having way fewer attempts and yards, and I'd argue a better OL for most of his career (2024 aside)? How does that jive for you?

The occasional big run skews the average. Its fine for fantasy but not real life on a drive by drive basis where consistency is more important to sustain real drives.

2 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

I get that the premise was that you know nothing about their NFL careers. But those guys were considered the best QB prospects of a generation, and they backed it up as NFLers.

The one guy who does come in to the conversation if you are ignoring the NFL career is Luck because he was such a good QB and also had the athleticism.

But the premise really does fail to set up any surprise names. The guys who became the best of the best were already projected to be that in college. You cant really sneak some uber athlete like Vick in to the mix. And when you go back to some elite offenses like say Leinart with USC... he still wasnt considered in the Peyton/Elway conversation even during his awesome college days.

Dan Marino probably fits in there as well that year ('83) although he was the last of the QBs taken in the first round so obviously wasn't rated nearly as high coming out of college as the others, but that class was loaded at QB.

Maybe Jerry relents this year and follows suit for the football season...we can only hope.

2 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

Its slowly begun shifting over the past 2 years. More and more people are realizing. Wasnt always that way.

3 hours ago, vikas83 said:

Elway, Luck or Peyton.

Peyton, Tarkenton, Kelly would be where I lean. Loved vintage Snake. (If you don’t know his nickname…….)

5 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

She's still a minority owner

And cost us Kelly green. Probably the reason Jeff divorced her.

2 hours ago, Saltpeter said:

I kinda think Hurts’ best comp continues to be Russell Wilson. Not a clean comp, as Wilson was more a scrambler and Hurts a runner, but apt. Shorter, thrives outside the numbers, best passing deep.

I expect Hurts’ cliff to be similar to Wilson’s too. Really hope that when we move on, whether it’s sooner or later, we can get a haul for him before he reaches the cliff. Because then it will be really ugly.

Wilson also thrived on broken plays, Hurts and his receivers for some reason can't figure out a scramble drill to save their lives. One of the more frustrating parts of the offense since he took over, he uses his legs to escape the picket but the play is basically dead because no one knows what to do. Luckily he's stopped running out of bounds behind the LOS and now will throw the ball away

1 hour ago, jojodancer said:

I love reading the bull**** that's spewed in here. 🤣 👌 Worse than the FAKE NEWS out there.

There's no reason to move on right now, but there's plenty of reason to not give him another contract until we see what he does this year. The 83% doesn't mean they all love him, a good portion of the fanbase should be able to admit he's been good enough (obviously, we've been to 2 super bowls), but there's probably also a portion that thinks he might not be good enough much longer.

If I took that poll, I would be in the 83%. However, this season is a big indicator IMO of if he should go or stay. Another big contract means less money to maintain the super team around him, as another poster mentioned it kay he easier to just keep finding cheap QBs who are good enough and maintaining a super team that we can plug and play those QBs into every few years.

25 minutes ago, devpool said:

Wilson also thrived on broken plays, Hurts and his receivers for some reason can't figure out a scramble drill to save their lives. One of the more frustrating parts of the offense since he took over, he uses his legs to escape the picket but the play is basically dead because no one knows what to do. Luckily he's stopped running out of bounds behind the LOS and now will throw the ball away

Wait, you think every WR running straight to the same part of the field isn't effective in scramble drills?

28 minutes ago, devpool said:

Wilson also thrived on broken plays, Hurts and his receivers for some reason can't figure out a scramble drill to save their lives. One of the more frustrating parts of the offense since he took over, he uses his legs to escape the picket but the play is basically dead because no one knows what to do. Luckily he's stopped running out of bounds behind the LOS and now will throw the ball away

Always seemed like the WRs werent sure whether they should block for him, or go try to get open. Baffling how no coach, or Jalen and his WRs themselves never sat down and hashed that out. For all these years...

AJ and Smith would have been deadly on scramble drills.

Hurts definitely enjoyed stealing all the glory in those years though. Without his heroics on foot, there wasnt much positive you could say about him. And he was never looking to throw when he broke the pocket. His eyes were never down field. He had no interest in passing in those situations.

Often, after he dug us in to a hole not being able to pass, it was his legs that bailed us out and brought us back to win a game. Without those legs, no one could have ever talked about how clutch he is.

So, it seemed to make more sense for his WRs to block.

Now he looks sometimes, holds it forever, and runs out of bounds. They still dont seem sure if he is eventually going to take off or what...

17 minutes ago, devpool said:

There's no reason to move on right now, but there's plenty of reason to not give him another contract until we see what he does this year. The 83% doesn't mean they all love him, a good portion of the fanbase should be able to admit he's been good enough (obviously, we've been to 2 super bowls), but there's probably also a portion that thinks he might not be good enough much longer.

If I took that poll, I would be in the 83%. However, this season is a big indicator IMO of if he should go or stay. Another big contract means less money to maintain the super team around him, as another poster mentioned it kay he easier to just keep finding cheap QBs who are good enough and maintaining a super team that we can plug and play those QBs into every few years.

Easier said than done, finding a better QB than Hurts. We've wasted our time talking about Tanner Brady for a couple of years now, like it was some sure thing, that hes an NFL starter. I'd say there are only 20 Legit NFL starting QBs in the league right now. The guy has definitely earned a grace period for his previous successes, after admittedly, a so so season. There are guys who are rated above him who have yet to achieve the pinnacle of playoff success and they are unequivocal starters on their teams. From Prescott to Lamar to Herbert to Purdy to Goff and so on. No one ever talks about replacing them.

What about his clutch gene when playing on the biggest stage of the NFL? Can't teach that. Others have puked in such situations, as we know when everything was on the line. I will always regret Bradberry's so called penalty in that first superbowl. There was no doubt in my mind given the opportunity, Hurts and the Eagles come back and win that game if the clock didn't run out. Then what would be the narrative now about his legend vs. a dynasty team? There shouldn't even be a doubt here who is the franchise QB is at this point. Yeah. If he absolutely bombs this year then we could talk. There is nothing remotely available that can do what he does on the field with his given track record. And still only 27 years old. Has room to improve, as the guy will continue to work on his craft. Expect a big year out of him with much less drama and an all business approach.

1 hour ago, jojodancer said:

Easier said than done, finding a better QB than Hurts. We've wasted our time talking about Tanner Brady for a couple of years now, like it was some sure thing, that hes an NFL starter. I'd say there are only 20 Legit NFL starting QBs in the league right now. The guy has definitely earned a grace period for his previous successes, after admittedly, a so so season. There are guys who are rated above him who have yet to achieve the pinnacle of playoff success and they are unequivocal starters on their teams. From Prescott to Lamar to Herbert to Purdy to Goff and so on. No one ever talks about replacing them.

What about his clutch gene when playing on the biggest stage of the NFL? Can't teach that. Others have puked in such situations, as we know when everything was on the line. I will always regret Bradberry's so called penalty in that first superbowl. There was no doubt in my mind given the opportunity, Hurts and the Eagles come back and win that game if the clock didn't run out. Then what would be the narrative now about his legend vs. a dynasty team? There shouldn't even be a doubt here who is the franchise QB is at this point. Yeah. If he absolutely bombs this year then we could talk. There is nothing remotely available that can do what he does on the field with his given track record. And still only 27 years old. Has room to improve, as the guy will continue to work on his craft. Expect a big year out of him with much less drama and an all business approach.

He has been clutch in the super bowls, he's also been horrific in 3 first round exits and average during the regular season.

His age is also working against him at thos point because his biggest weapon during his one elite season (2022), his running, has now deteriorated to the point where he's routinely getting chased down by DTs.

Like you said, he's earned a grace period, but this year is it cause he's gonna be asking for a new contract and we cannot give one uf this year plats it like last year

I don't watch 49ers but I'd put money that the fanbase is close to half on wanting to replace him or open to it

3 minutes ago, devpool said:

He has been clutch in the super bowls, he's also been horrific in 3 first round exits and average during the regular season.

His age is also working against him at thos point because his biggest weapon during his one elite season (2022), his running, has now deteriorated to the point where he's routinely getting chased down by DTs.

Like you said, he's earned a grace period, but this year is it cause he's gonna be asking for a new contract and we cannot give one uf this year plats it like last year

I think he can run effectively. Don't need him to be Lamar Jackson. Just get out of sacks and not be a statue back there. He's only 27. Talk to me when he is 30 or so. In this offense, he won't have to be Superman with his feet. Purdy isn't really fast, but quite effective and elusive out of the pocket. There are bootlegs and rollouts that he can exploit here with his quickness. Will see if he can emulate more of his style in this scheme.