Every fanbase will criticize a player for their performance.

I asked about hate.

Some fans have such hatred for Jalen, anything he does, on or off the field.

1 minute ago, NOTW said:

Every fanbase will criticize a player for their performance.

I asked about hate.

Some fans have such hatred for Jalen, anything he does, on or off the field.

I dont see that at all.

26 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

I think he can run effectively. Don't need him to be Lamar Jackson. Just get out of sacks and not be a statue back there. He's only 27. Talk to me when he is 30 or so. In this offense, he won't have to be Superman with his feet. Purdy isn't really fast, but quite effective out of the pocket. There are bootlegs and rollouts that he can exploit here with his quickness. Will see if he can emulate more of his style in this scheme.

Statues have thrown for 4k+ yds and record TDs. They've also won SBs

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Statues have thrown for 4k+ yds and record TDs. They've also won SBs

There"s maybe one statue left in the entire league and modern era and that's Stafford. After he retires soon, it will be noone. And don't tell me about Goff. He's exploited against good defenses. Hurts isn't all of the sudden going to become immobile.

Every fanbase will criticize a player for their performance.

5 hours ago, vikas83 said:

I asked about hate.

Some fans have such hatred for Jalen, anything he does, on or off the field.

hate is a childish way to frame criticism

Dont see anyone wishing for his demise or anything

20 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

There"s maybe one statue left in the entire league and modern era and that's Stafford. After he retires soon, it will be noone. And don't tell me about Goff. He's exploited against good defenses. Hurts isn't all of the sudden going to become immobile.

What QBs that are non-statues to you?

Mahomes?

Hurts?

Wilson?

The statues?

Stafford?

Foles?

Brady?

Darnold?

That's the last 10 years of SB winners

16 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Every fanbase will criticize a player for their performance.

hate is a childish way to frame criticism

Dont see anyone wishing for his demise or anything

I wonder why the quote box in your post shows @vikas83 asked the question about "hate". Poor Vikas is looking like a stooge now.

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

I dont see that at all.

I don’t either, it doesn’t exist.

3 hours ago, Joe Ball said:

Maybe Jerry relents this year and follows suit for the football season...we can only hope.

I get the sense he thinks it’s some sort of home field advantage.

34 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

What QBs that are non-statues to you?

Mahomes?

Hurts?

Wilson?

The statues?

Stafford?

Foles?

Brady?

Darnold?

That's the last 10 years of SB winners

Darnold is far from a statue and had his 1st good year. Brady & Foles are out of the league. Brady won in 2020 season and Stafford in 2021 season. So my point being that the current trend is non statue. Obvious as day!

56 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I wonder why the quote box in your post shows @vikas83 asked the question about "hate". Poor Vikas is looking like a stooge now.

Stupid editor tool my bad

23 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

Darnold is far from a statue and had his 1st good year. Brady & Foles are out of the league. Brady won in 2020 season and Stafford in 2021 season. So my point being that the current trend is non statue. Obvious as day!

So

Mahomes

Hurts

Darnold

Stafford(not for long)

Wilson(not for long)

My point was the sample size is very small for you making that assumption

Why are we not hearing in here that Darnold was carried by a top WR in JSN, top RB tandem in Walker and Charbonnett and the top defense in the league? I'm sure any QB could have won with that team. Right? It's too convenient to make blanket statements and discredit guys like that. He deserves a bunch of credit for Seahawks winning the Superbowl. Just like every other QB that wins it and usually gets the accolades. Mahomes had 2 injured or mediocre offensive lines in 2 different Superbowls and he gets blown out. He has an average supporting cast last year and he looks average. Okay, let's replace him.😅 Need a very good supporting cast. Goes without saying.

38 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

Why are we not hearing in here that Darnold was carried by a top WR in JSN, top RB tandem in Walker and Charbonnett and the top defense in the league? I'm sure any QB could have won with that team. Right? It's too convenient to make blanket statements and discredit guys like that. He deserves a bunch of credit for Seahawks winning the Superbowl. Just like every other QB that wins it and usually gets the accolades. Mahomes had 2 injured or mediocre offensive lines in 2 different Superbowls and he gets blown out. He has an average supporting cast last year and he looks average. Okay, let's replace him.😅 Need a very good supporting cast. Goes without saying.

Because no one is going to make the argument Darnold carried the team.

40 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

Why are we not hearing in here that Darnold was carried by a top WR in JSN, top RB tandem in Walker and Charbonnett and the top defense in the league? I'm sure any QB could have won with that team. Right? It's too convenient to make blanket statements and discredit guys like that. He deserves a bunch of credit for Seahawks winning the Superbowl. Just like every other QB that wins it and usually gets the accolades. Mahomes had 2 injured or mediocre offensive lines in 2 different Superbowls and he gets blown out. He has an average supporting cast last year and he looks average. Okay, let's replace him.😅 Need a very good supporting cast. Goes without saying.

Because this isn't TATS? He very clearly was carried by that defense and Charbonnet and yea pretty much any competent QB could have won with that team.

There is a middle ground between amazing supporting cast and nothing. Mahomes won a super bowl with juju Smith Schuster and marquez valdez scantling at WR and Isiah Pacheco RB. Yes, he had kelce as well. So sub par WR and RB, HOF TE, solid line.

Darnold gets credit for not crapping the bed, but literally all he had to do was show up most games. I'll use a criticism i use for Hurts often, Darnold had NINE games with 0 or 1 passing TD last season. The seahawks only lost two of those games. He was along for the ride, he's nothing special

12 minutes ago, devpool said:

Because this isn't TATS? He very clearly was carried by that defense and Charbonnet and yea pretty much any competent QB could have won with that team.

There is a middle ground between amazing supporting cast and nothing. Mahomes won a super bowl with juju Smith Schuster and marquez valdez scantling at WR and Isiah Pacheco RB. Yes, he had kelce as well. So sub par WR and RB, HOF TE, solid line.

Darnold gets credit for not crapping the bed, but literally all he had to do was show up most games. I'll use a criticism i use for Hurts often, Darnold had NINE games with 0 or 1 passing TD last season. The seahawks only lost two of those games. He was along for the ride, he's nothing special

Mahomes won 2 Superbowls that many competent QBs could have won with. Those 2 Championship defenses he had were really really good. Can make that argument as well. He had a HOF TE in Kelce and 3 pro bowlers in the interior line. Pacheco was a helluva RB those 2 years. And Andy Reid is his HOF play caller, who faked the crap out of the Eagles with great play design to make average Joes at WRs look good. They always had great special teams as well at K, P and returns. Let's not make it look like this guy had nothing to work with and he carried those teams by himself. A very, very good supporting cast and a superior coaching staff.

On top of it, the league handed them a ton of close games. Period. Man, Mahomes is great. But people love to overhype this dude. I can't wait til the Chiefs are .500 this year and we hear all of the excuses of why he's still great. And blame everyone else.

The Eagles went so long without a Super bowl that the fans started to hold it up on this pedestal as some mythical thing that only the most amazing in the world can accomplish. I hear "Hurts has proven you can win with him.” You can win with a lot more QBs than you realize if the roster is good enough. How we haven’t learned that in this city by now when Nick Fing Foles won a Super Bowl and he’s not even remotely a good QB boggles the mind.

Howie went on a generational run. He may have had the best 5 years any GM has had in the history of the NFL and that’s not hyperbole. Look at his trade, free agent, and draft track record.

Hurts will either be with the Eagles in 2027 on a new more expensive contract or he will be playing elsewhere. No in between. And if he doesn’t play much better than he did last season this year then it’s not going to be the former. No chance Howie gives him a new deal if his play doesn’t improve and he’s not gonna wanna be here without a new deal either most likely.

18 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

Mahomes won 2 Superbowls that many competent QBs could have won with. Those 2 Championship defenses he had were really really good. Can make that argument as well. He had a HOF TE in Kelce and 3 pro bowlers in the interior line. Pacheco was a helluva RB those 2 years. And Andy Reid is his HOF play caller, who faked the crap out of the Eagles with great play design to make average Joes at WRs look good. They always had great special teams as well at K, P and returns. Let's not make it look like this guy had nothing to work with and he carried those teams by himself. A very, very good supporting cast.

On top of it, the league handed them close games. Period. Man, Mahomes is great. But people love to overhype this dude. I can't wait til the Chiefs are .500 this year and we hear all of the excuses of why he's still great. And blame everyone else.

There has been a shift in quarterback play for quite some time now that I think people who are old enough to remember 15-20 years ago and watched guys like Peyton, Brady, prime Rodgers, Brees, Roethlisberger, Rivers, etc can’t really comprehend. Overall the position has declined, is less reliant on field generals, and the guys that come out now and have been coming out for almost a decade now are less polished. You can now get away with having quarterbacks like Darnold, Hurts, Bo Nix, Purdy and making a deep playoff run or even win a Super Bowl. So many people are enamored with generational QBs like Mahomes thinking they come out every year instead of realizing the reality of them being very rare.

This team is built well enough where if Hurts is a top 7-12 QB they are good enough to go deep and win it all. The same way he was in 2024. Teams aren’t as focused anymore as relying on ungodly talent at QB and are instead building the team around them whether that’s through the offensive line, running game, or defense. That has been the blueprint Roseman has been using for 6-7 years now. It’s also why a team like Buffalo can’t get over the hump: they’re too reliant on Allen.

If Houston had a top 15 QB in the playoffs last year instead of Stroud playing like Mike McMahon, they probably would have won the AFC.

Heard Chad Reuter on NFL Radio today saying Sorsby will be a 2nd round pick in the supplemental draft. Evaluated him as better than Ty Simpson if he’d been in the April draft — not a huge shock as most had Simpson as a 2nd round prospect.

He’s clearly a better prospect than Dante Moore, and some team will likely cough up a 1st round pick on him at next year’s draft.

1 hour ago, jojodancer said:

Why are we not hearing in here that Darnold was carried by a top WR in JSN, top RB tandem in Walker and Charbonnett and the top defense in the league? I'm sure any QB could have won with that team. Right? It's too convenient to make blanket statements and discredit guys like that. He deserves a bunch of credit for Seahawks winning the Superbowl. Just like every other QB that wins it and usually gets the accolades. Mahomes had 2 injured or mediocre offensive lines in 2 different Superbowls and he gets blown out. He has an average supporting cast last year and he looks average. Okay, let's replace him.😅 Need a very good supporting cast. Goes without saying.

I've been challenging the "Hurts is surrounded by talent..." argument for a couple years. Needing a talented team to win, like you said, goes without saying.

I fully believe it's a sink or swim season for Hurts. Not because he isn't a good QB, but because the Eagles have chosen offensive system first, QB to run it second, rather than molding an offense to the QB. I have no doubt Hurts is pumped to try and run it after 3 years of the most boring offense in the NFL. I hope it works out and we win win win. But if it doesn't, the Eagles move on and we hope and pray it doesn't take too long to find a QB that has been as good as Hurts has been. Having a good QB is so rare. It was a long dry spell between McNabb leaving and the arrival of Wentz/Foles part 2/Hurts.

2010-2016 Eagles were 56-56- lost both Wildcard playoff games.

2017 -2025 Eagles are 94-54 - 3 SBs, 2 SB wins, made playoffs in 8 of the past 9 seasons.

Hurts himself is 60-32-1 with 5 consecutive playoff seasons, making the SB 40% of the time.

So, while Hurts may end up getting replaced, he would be very difficult to replace.

6 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

I've been challenging the "Hurts is surrounded by talent..." argument for a couple years. Needing a talented team to win, like you said, goes without saying.

I fully believe it's a sink or swim season for Hurts. Not because he isn't a good QB, but because the Eagles have chosen offensive system first, QB to run it second, rather than molding an offense to the QB. I have no doubt Hurts is pumped to try and run it after 3 years of the most boring offense in the NFL. I hope it works out and we win win win. But if it doesn't, the Eagles move on and we hope and pray it doesn't take too long to find a QB that has been as good as Hurts has been. Having a good QB is so rare. It was a long dry spell between McNabb leaving and the arrival of Wentz/Foles part 2/Hurts.

2010-2016 Eagles were 56-56- lost both Wildcard playoff games.

2017 -2025 Eagles are 94-54 - 3 SBs, 2 SB wins, made playoffs in 8 of the past 9 seasons.

Hurts himself is 60-32-1 with 5 consecutive playoff seasons, making the SB 40% of the time.

So, while Hurts may end up getting replaced, he would be very difficult to replace.

No doubt. A very important year for Hurts. It's all set up for success with a pretty solid group of Receivers and RBs. And a healthier offensive line. Hopefully. And a new energy with a new scheme that is supposedly QB friendly. A new challenge has never fazed the guy. Get rid of the toxic elephant in the room and it's only up from here. This guy is on his 10th OC since college. Adaptability and coachability has to be two of his greatest traits that he does not get enough credit for.

Here's the list of his 10 OCs:

College (4 Coordinators)

2016: Lane Kiffin (Alabama)

2017: Brian Daboll (Alabama)

2018: Mike Locksley (Alabama)

2019: Lincoln Riley (Oklahoma)

NFL / Philadelphia Eagles (6 Coordinators)

2020: Doug Pederson (head coach / play-caller)

2021: Shane Steichen

2022: Shane Steichen

2023: Brian Johnson

2024: Kellen Moore

2025-Kevin Patullo

2026- Sean Mannion

I have no reason to doubt that this guy won't come out on the other side here with a solid season, at minimum. Resiliency is his middle name. A very highly motivated athlete who knows a big contract is lurking and knows that the doubters are out in full force. Will play with that chip. Look forward to it. I think he would have to almost fall flat on his face to not get extended. It doesn't hurt when the franchise owner is in your corner! He will get more leeway than people think here.

7 hours ago, greend said:

McNabb doesn't come to my mind. Air McNair was always a great passer.

Ok, we disagree

17 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

In westbrook's prime, there was Tomlinson, Westbrook, and Faulk who were absolutely dominating, feared offensive weapons.

Barkley is usually, outside of one season, never one of the top 3 RBs, nor dual threat RBs in the league.

If I was building a team and I have a choice between those two as my RB, Id take Westbrook without hesitation.

Eh, I disagree. Barkley spent the majority of his career on one of the worst teams in the NFL. Clearly his prime was wasted in New York.

Once he got to a good team he carried the entire offense to a Super Bowl.

Barkley is the better player but Westbrook was definitely better in the passing game. I’d put him right behind Faulk all time as a receiving threat.

1 minute ago, TEW said:

Eh, I disagree. Barkley spent the majority of his career on one of the worst teams in the NFL. Clearly his prime was wasted in New York.

Once he got to a good team he carried the entire offense to a Super Bowl.

Barkley is the better player but Westbrook was definitely better in the passing game. I’d put him right behind Faulk all time as a receiving threat.

Barkley is supposed to be an amazing, maybe generational player. So a lot of people think he is.

Ill give him more credit if he puts together a huge season this year in a different offense. But outside of 1 season where everything was perfect, hes a massive career underachiever. And he has never played to his size.