7 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

If they are going to fire Sirianni then do it soon and let Mannion audition for the job.

Hes supposed to be a future HC and bright young mind, etc

Mansions been auditioning for the job all year he runs the offense.

Just now, Mike030270 said:

So what are you going to say if when they release the stats for time to throw and he's around the same average?

I'm going to say stats don't always give a picture.

Just now, eagle45 said:

you may be right, but there’s also a reason the discussion keeps coming back to him.

He’s the centerpiece of arguably the nfls worst offense. Siri is probably going to get fired. And the future of Hurts, in many ways, needs to be determined this offseason. It impacts their ability to recruit a head coach, draft approach, and cap approach. They need to make a decision on whether or not to extend him in the offseason.

Hurts is the centerpiece of the decision. And that’s just how it is with a qb. You may not be the biggest problem, but if you’re not part of the solution going forward you’re the most important problem.

I've never said Hurts isn't a problem but he's way down the list.

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

It’s not who he is. Let’s cheer for mediocrity.

Can you win with Hurts? Yes. Can you win with Josh or Joe? Past excuses not yet. The reason I've defended him is you have to know how to use him correctly or that's what you get. You have to give him a good OL or that's what you get.

As for this season Nick has done a horrible job. I can't get to Hurts until I deal with that. There is no run game because the OL is such crap. Defenses can focus on putting pressure on Hurts and that's it. Has that changed in all the years he has been here? I see his limitations, but I can't get pissed because there are so many other things ahead of it.

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’ll give a couple reasons why I wouldn’t have done that kickoff.

First, with the amount of injuries you have you have more guys playing kickoff that usually aren’t doing it or guys who are now starters that are also playing ST due to injuries. So you’re asking guys to do things they don’t normally do or very exhausted as they have new roles in the highest pressure moment

Second, the NFL changed the rule for kickoff because they wanted more dynamic kickoffs and less concussions. If i remember correctly the analytics have shown there’s been more returns and more quality returns since the rule change than the previous 3 years prior to the inception of the new kickoff rule.

Third, I am far more comfortable with my defense, knowing they have to play the boundaries and not give up 15 to 20 yards. if the jags had a timeout my thinking is very different. The Jaguars with 8 seconds and no timeouts have to be perfect. If the Jaguars complete a pass and the guy doesn’t get out bounce clock runs out. Eagles get a sack game is over. On first down if it’s incomplete, they only have enough time for one more play and the game is gonna be over.

Fourth, the Jaguars offense had more self destruct moments today. So it’s not a given they don’t screw up in those final 8.

Fifth, even if the Jaguars got 15 yards and out of bounds with time remaining. They would have to make a 67 yard field goal. I’m fine with them kicking a 70ish yard field goal down their long snapper and winning the game. I tipped my cap to them to be that perfect in that scenario for that to happen.

You forgot the 6th reason:

You aren't a blithering Fing idiot

Where’s Stowers? Can he not come off IR yet? He can’t do any worse than what we’ve been putting out there at TE. At least he is a viable threat in the passing game

Sirianni has had some insane highs during his time here. He's had to navigate through multiple OCs, but has still -regardless of how you feel about him- shown he's capable of winning a SB, has a high winning percentage and has made the playoffs every season. Despite all of that, he makes some absolutely baffling decisions, puts the team in horrible situations, is extremely limited and needs to go.

This has become acceptable across the board, for the most part.

Now go ahead and replace the name Sirianni with Hurts and it rings just as true. Wake up.

13 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Two games in a row you Fing moron

Just caught up on the game. Congrats to all the microdicks - you have another week to gloat and blame Hurts for everything.

Offensive coaching and O-line has been and remains the #1 issue.

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

I'm going to say stats don't always give a picture.

That's funny. That's been said when we win and people praise Hurts when he actually didn't play great

Just now, Diehardfan said:

I'm going to say stats don't always give a picture.

I've never said Hurts isn't a problem but he's way down the list.

Can you win with Hurts? Yes. Can you win with Josh or Joe? Past excuses not yet. The reason I've defended him is you have to know how to use him correctly or that's what you get. You have to give him a good OL or that's what you get.

As for this season Nick has done a horrible job. I can't get to Hurts until I deal with that. There is no run game because the OL is such crap. Defenses can focus on putting pressure on Hurts and that's it. Has that changed in all the years he has been here? I see his limitations, but I can't get pissed because there are so many other things ahead of it.

It’s the NFL. Teams adjust and adapt year over year to stop you. If the Eagles and Jalen Hurts can’t adapt their game to counter that, they aren’t that good. And deserve to be criticized.

If Mannion is back next season, top priority might be TE with all the 12 and 13 personnel he’s running with scrubs.

Goedert definitely makes a positive difference though

1 minute ago, devpool said:

There ya go joe, one who just doubled down on it was the special teams and defense, the other...idk what his deal is but there's a bunch of excuses for the offense. Not their fault

Well, again, go down the list.

Nick

Injuries

Bad OL and no run game

System that is crap or at the very least not putting Hurts in a position to succeed

QB who has had the same limitations when he feels pressure and stops seeing the field

How have they been to two SBs with him? How have Joe, Jackson, and Josh thrown as many TDs in a SB as Trey in 2018? The Eagles gave him a good OL which negates his inability to handle pressure. They don't have that now. Even with those issues they'd have two wins if Nick could make basic decisions.

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I honestly don't know. I was seriously asking. I assumed starters obviously get the most amount of time but I'd also assume backups would have to get some time because players get some time

I expect the offense to get marginally better as they get more time to practice, but not sure if new injuries keep cropping up.

I think they liked Kendall, which was the reason for the Cam Jurgens trade I bet, but then he gets hurt and you’re down to Majors on one week of first team practice instead of Kendall on two weeks of first team practice

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

It’s the NFL. Teams adjust and adapt year over year to stop you. If the Eagles and Jalen Hurts can’t adapt their game to counter that, they aren’t that good. And deserve to be criticized.

Speaking of adapting

Holy F our coaches on offense can't

Or maybe he's limited by what he's working with

Just now, EaglePhan1986 said:

If Mannion is back next season, top priority might be TE with all the 12 and 13 personnel he’s running with scrubs.

Goedert definitely makes a positive difference though

I found it amazing on one passing play where Pierce dropped the ball, they had 3 TEs out there. Mundt, Goedert and ej jenkins. Jenkins shouldn’t even be on a nfl roster. Mundt isn’t a pass catching te.

15 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Cool. But you can’t keep disappearing offensively for entire halves and expect to win consistently. Accountability is great. Adjustments would be even better.

2 minutes ago, Appalachian_Eagle said:

Where’s Stowers? Can he not come off IR yet? He can’t do any worse than what we’ve been putting out there at TE. At least he is a viable threat in the passing game

He was drafted in the 2nd round for his athleticism.

Problem is compared to NFL players he’s not all that athletic and has OK hands, doesn’t know how to run routes nor block.

2 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Sirianni has had some insane highs during his time here. He's had to navigate through multiple OCs, but has still -regardless of how you feel about him- shown he's capable of winning a SB, has a high winning percentage and has made the playoffs every season. Despite all of that, he makes some absolutely baffling decisions, puts the team in horrible situations, is extremely limited and needs to go.

This has become acceptable across the board, for the most part.

Now go ahead and replace the name Sirianni with Hurts and it rings just as true. Wake up.

That’s just who he is. He’s not a great in game decision maker. You can’t blame him.

Just now, Diehardfan said:

Well, again, go down the list.

Nick

Injuries

Bad OL and no run game

System that is crap or at the very least not putting Hurts in a position to succeed

QB who has had the same limitations when he feels pressure and stops seeing the field

How have they been to two SBs with him? How have Joe, Jackson, and Josh thrown as many TDs in a SB as Trey in 2018? The Eagles gave him a good OL which negates his inability to handle pressure. They don't have that now. Even with those issues they'd have two wins if Nick could make basic decisions.

I'm not gonna keep going back and forth like the other dude, you're making excuses for an offense who scored 3 points in the second half because you're saying the QB is basically useless unless he's in a perfect situation. The line wasnt amazing today but they definitely played well enough in pass pro

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

Speaking of adapting

Holy F our coaches on offense can't

Or maybe he's limited by what he's working with

Guess we'll have to see what Foles says this time...

21 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

That's exactly what it means. You have to have a good OL and a good system/coordinator. If you don't then you get this. The difference is if you build that around him he can win while big names never get crap done and always have excuses as well.

So you gotta be the 2012/2013 Ravens? All world defense and (barely) good enough offense?

The Eagles need a bye week. NOW. Can they petition the NFL for an extra one? LOL

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I found it amazing on one passing play where Pierce dropped the ball, they had 3 TEs out there. Mundt, Goedert and ej jenkins. Jenkins shouldn’t even be on a nfl roster. Mundt isn’t a pass catching te.

They have no idea how to coach this offense, but it's what all the cool kids are doing so thatsnl what they're doing.

Even if they could coach it, they don't have the personnel. We have talented WRs dying on the vine for condensed sets that put a ton of bodies at the LOS, exactly where we don't want them

Jalen Hurts leads the offense that is dead last in second half scoring. That is before todays game.

That 5 second half PPG is now 4.6. That 3.3 second half PPG over the last 3 weeks, becomes 1 second half PPG after today.

1 minute ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said:

I expect the offense to get marginally better as they get more time to practice, but not sure if new injuries keep cropping up.

I think they liked Kendall, which was the reason for the Cam Jurgens trade I bet, but then he gets hurt and you’re down to Majors on one week of first team practice instead of Kendall on two weeks of first team practice

The Oline blocked well on plays despite what the some say. They struggled when Jags brought the heat and didn't have an answer

Did not the team have a lead in both games and have a 97% chance to win both games with late 4th Q leads? With a preseason roster on offense. I just want to get the facts straight. Let's blame 1 person. That is pretty unreasonable to think the QB lost both games, when other parts of the team choked the leads. Again, I'm not saying Hurts played well. He did not. But given the circumstances did just enough. And other factors took over to lose games.