7 hours ago, Arsenal79 said:

Speaking of injuries, it doesn't speak well of the blog's intelligence level that you idiots can't admit that the team is DECIMATED WITH INJURIES and therefore doesn't have the talent to win right now. No team could win with this many key players out.

I'm not a big fan of the coach, but most of the slander towards him, the QB, and anyone else is over the top and absurd.

The team, including the coach, the OC, and the QB cannot be properly judged until the team is relatively healthy and not playing 3rd and 4th-stringers all over the field.

So why are the niners undefeated?

Ravens putting 30 up and winning with a backup qb and backup linemen?

13 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

Okay. Let me go with these crazy hypotheticals in here. If Hurts starts getting 24 points or more (with reinforcements coming) in the following games are we gonna say there's improvement here or say oh it's just the Panthers, Cowboys, Commanders and Giants. Or come up with the defense carried him? And if we lose 28-27 or 31-24 in a couple of them, what will we be saying as well? The offense should have scored more? The haters I'm sure have a plan here. I'm just getting prepared here. EOD, looking for Ws in whatever fashion. To scratch and claw back to a good season record and be relevant. Hopefully making incremental progress throughout. Also, maybe special teams can contribute to a victory or good coaching. Many ways to win here.

The Eagles and Hurts have scored more than 24 points 4 times in the last 23 games. Let’s just see them actually do it first.

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

You still haven't been capable of entertaining a hypothetical of whether or not to extend Hurts in the offseason if he and the offense do not turn it around. It's not a "crazy hypothetical."

But, since I am intellectually capable of entertaining your side of the equation....I assume you are defining the "following games" as the 4 you listed.
The 2026 Eagles are averaging 18.4 points per game...29th in the NFL.

24 points per game would be the 13th ranked offense in the NFL right now. It's also a nearly 2 point per game improvement over last year.

So, yes...if Hurts averages 24 points or more over the next 4 weeks, I would say that's improvement. Because it objectively would be improvement.

Okay. Great. I have stated many replies ago if you weren't skimming, that if he is the absolute cause of losing then I am going to consider not extending this early. I may have implied that, but you had to read into it. But that doesn't preclude him to coming back next year and redeeming himself anyway. I said I'd keep an open mind. I just see him being who he's always been in being resilient overcoming any bumps that come along. And will outlast the coach here. Will say that clearly. Think he ultimately gets extended. Not sure when.

8 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

You still haven't been capable of entertaining a hypothetical of whether or not to extend Hurts in the offseason if he and the offense do not turn it around. It's not a "crazy hypothetical."

But, since I am intellectually capable of entertaining your side of the equation....I assume you are defining the "following games" as the 4 you listed.
The 2026 Eagles are averaging 18.4 points per game...29th in the NFL.

24 points per game would be the 13th ranked offense in the NFL right now. It's also a nearly 2 point per game improvement over last year.

So, yes...if Hurts averages 24 points or more over the next 4 weeks, I would say that's improvement. Because it objectively would be improvement.

The redirect, What if Hurts and the offense score an average of less than 18 points a game over the next 4 games?

Will the Hurts Huggers admit Hurts has declined or will it be all excuses like usual?

Honest with how bad the Cowgirls, Skins and Gunts are on defense, there should be zero excuses not to score more than 18 plus. 24 should be a very achievable metric for any offense against those scrubs.

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

The Eagles and Hurts have scored more than 24 points 4 times in the last 23 games. Let’s just see them actually do it first.

Fair point. I'm really just looking at the missed points left on the field we had with a bad roster and in the last 2 weeks playing against better defenses. Will see if more points coincide with better personnel and worse defenses. On paper, they should score considerably more with those 2 factors. And just getting more reps with the OL. I'll be concerned if they don't.

3 hours ago, jojodancer said:

Can you imagine how stupid the Chiefs would be if they said, hey, Mahomes stats are down these last 3 years? He's done. He's the problem. You know what they did. They got him a great RB and upgraded the OL, which still his has 2 All pros on it. And they go to town with their HOF DC and HOF offensive mind. Maybe it just isn't the QB? Correct. Howie has not been that good, especially last season. And his roster management has been horrific. And let's go compare Andy Reid to our CEO coach. This is a major deficit we have! Almost embarrassing. Like at @Diehardfan keeps saying, the QB is way down the list of problems on this team. And he is not even a Hurts guy. He can rationalize and see the whole picture.

I think if Hurts had ever thrown for 5,000 yards and 50 TDs in a season no one would be pointing fingers at him.

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

I think if Hurts had ever thrown for 5,000 yards and 50 TDs in a season no one would be pointing fingers at him.

True, but that was quite a long time ago. We all know that Hurts is not a pretty stats picture. But he wins. That has merit in itself. He's uncanny out there in that way and doesn't beat himself. You have to earn your victories against him.

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

I think if Hurts had ever thrown for 5,000 yards and 50 TDs in a season no one would be pointing fingers at him.

The fact anyone would compare Hurts situation to Mahomes is moronic.

4 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

Okay. Great. I have stated many replies ago if you weren't skimming, that if he is the absolute cause of losing then I am going to consider not extending this early. I may have implied that, but you had to read into it. But that doesn't preclude him to coming back next year and redeeming himself anyway. I said I'd keep an open mind. I just see him being who he's always been in being resilient overcoming any bumps that come along. And will outlast the coach here. Will say that clearly. Think he ultimately gets extended. Not sure when.

It's a team sport. Hurts will never be the absolute cause of losing. And even if he were, it'd be impossible to prove, especially considering the talent surrounding him on offense.

Regardless, there is a threshold for futility on offense and in the passing game...with Hurts as the franchise QB and centerpiece of the offense...beneath which he cannot be extended. Exactly where that threshold lies is the subject of debate.

If he's not extended in the offseason...it's a thing. Franchise QB's do not play out the last guaranteed year of a deal without getting offended and angry. This contract was structured to be extended after 2026 (>42M cap # gets re-distributed to allow Howie to reload in FA) or terminated after 2027.

9 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

The redirect, What if Hurts and the offense score an average of less than 18 points a game over the next 4 games?

Will the Hurts Huggers admit Hurts has declined or will it be all excuses like usual?

Honest with how bad the Cowgirls, Skins and Gunts are on defense, there should be zero excuses not to score more than 18 plus. 24 should be a very achievable metric for any offense against those scrubs.

We agree. At last. All heads should be rolling if they are doing 18 points consistently. I am not anticipating that. But I'm not ruling it out. But the constant discrediting that has gone on with him on any of his achievements have always come with a caveat. Instead, that he is just a good QB.

11 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

True, but that was quite a long time ago. We all know that Hurts is not a pretty stats picture. But he wins. That has merit in itself. He's uncanny out there in that way and doesn't beat himself. You have to earn victories against him.

Offenses don’t play each other.

9 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

It's a team sport. Hurts will never be the absolute cause of losing. And even if he were, it'd be impossible to prove, especially considering the talent surrounding him on offense.

Regardless, there is a threshold for futility on offense and in the passing game...with Hurts as the franchise QB and centerpiece of the offense...beneath which he cannot be extended. Exactly where that threshold lies is the subject of debate.

If he's not extended in the offseason...it's a thing. Franchise QB's do not play out the last guaranteed year of a deal without getting offended and angry. This contract was structured to be extended after 2026 (>42M cap # gets re-distributed to allow Howie to reload in FA) or terminated after 2027.

Well, being that the season is 5 games old, with 12 more (and hopefull playoffs) to go I am sure they are fully evaluating this and will make sure he has good pieces around him to determine that to really guage this correctly. Kind of what I'm doing. I think we can tell if a QB bombs. We saw it clearly with Wentz. I think these 5 games were almost like preseason for many reasons. Looking for my NFL roster still and squinting.

23 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Will the Hurts Huggers admit Hurts has declined or will it be all excuses like usual?

Excuses of course

27 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I think if Hurts had ever thrown for 5,000 yards and 50 TDs in a season no one would be pointing fingers at him.

He has only thrown for half of 50 TD’s once in his career. Let’s work on 30 first.

1 minute ago, jojodancer said:

Well being that the season is 5 games old, with 12 more (and hopefull playoffs) to go I am sure they are fully evaluating this and will make sure he has good pieces around him to determine that to really guage this correctly. Kind of what I'm doing. I think we can tell if a QB bombs. We saw it clearly with Wentz. I think these 5 games is almost like preseason for many reasons. Looking for my roster.

2020:

Passing yards per game: 207.9

Points per game: 20.9

2026 (so far):

Passing yards per game: 170.6

Points per game: 18.4

It's going to take some improvement to climb to 2020, which was a QB bombing.

11 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

Well, being that the season is 5 games old, with 12 more (and hopefull playoffs) to go I am sure they are fully evaluating this and will make sure he has good pieces around him to determine that to really guage this correctly. Kind of what I'm doing. I think we can tell if a QB bombs. We saw it clearly with Wentz. I think these 5 games were almost like preseason for many reasons. Looking for my NFL roster still and squinting.

He’s an average QB. Stats don’t lie. And don’t give me wins. Wins and Losses are a team stat. Look at his individual statistics. He is the leader of one of the worst units in the sport and on pace for being the worst second half offense in the history of the NFL.

Just now, eagle45 said:

2020:

Passing yards per game: 207.9

Points per game: 20.9

2026 (so far):

Passing yards per game: 170.6

Points per game: 18.4

It's going to take some improvement to climb to 2020, which was a QB bombing.

Since it's always about winning in the end, if he takes this team to the playoffs and they are moving in an upward trend by end of year, I think he gets it. Right now this is more of a transition year with OL developments of 1st month, which are not unexpected. This evaluation may be looked at differently because of that. It's tricky. I just don't see the Eagles giving up on any seasons transparently or willingly. Yes. This season could go the route of 2020 where injuries beset them and they end up playing youngsters and scrapping this 1 year. But it won't happen till much later. 4-5 or better by the bye, Howie will likely keep plugging and not concede.

3 hours ago, jojodancer said:

. You guys don't see Mahomes every week. He's been just okay last year. And the 2 years before were not HOF material. They were just good to very good.

How do you know what we see? He is my QB in several fantasy leagues, and all I do Sunday is watch football.

Last year he threw for 3587 yards in 14 games, Hurts has topped that once. Year before he threw for 3928 yards, more than Hurts career high. Year before that 4183 yards.

Lest year he threw 22 TD’s in 14 games, 1 less than Hurts career high of 25. 26 and 27 the two years before that.

Yes, Mahomes numbers the last 3 years have not been HOF level for him, but Hurts barely sniffs those numbers and you are talking HOF about him.

3 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

He’s an average QB. Stats don’t lie. And don’t give me wins. Wins and Losses are a team stat. Look at his individual statistics. He is the leader of one of the worst units in the sport and on pace for being the worst second half offense in the history of the NFL.

I'll take the average QB who knows how to win big games. Clearly, it's not a fluke as he got us to the big dance twice. So just dismiss this right? He can't do this again. He's 28. Hes done! Yeah... So when he doesn't do it, it is his fault. But when he does do it, everyone else was responsible and he was along for the ride. Silly talk!

10 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

Since it's always about winning in the end, if he takes this team to the playoffs and they are moving in an upward trend by end of year, I think he gets it. Right now this is more of a transition year with OL developments of 1st month, which are not unexpected. This evaluation may be looked at differently because of that. It's tricky. I just don't see the Eagles giving up on any seasons transparently or willingly. Yes. This season could go the route of 2020 where injuries beset them and they end up playing youngsters and scrapping this 1 year. But it won't happen till much later. 4-5 or better by the bye, Howie will likely keep plugging and not concede.

If winning is all that matters, why does that not apply to Sirianni?

2 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

I'll take the average QB who knows how to win big games. Clearly, it's not a fluke as he got us to the big dance twice. So just dismiss this right? He can't so this again. He's 28. Hes done! So when he doesn't do it his fault. But when he does do it, everyone else was responsible and he was along for the ride. Silly talk!

Like that big playoff game last year against a 49er team devastated by injures.

He led a team that scored 19 points, and he had 182 yards of total offense.

2 hours ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

And if he only murdered seven prostitutes, you would call him soft on crime

Those girl have no family. Nobody knows that they worked there. It'll be as though they never existed. All that's left is our fandom of Hurts

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Still pissed we didn’t draft him.