Just now, Sack that QB said:

I didn't say that saying the scheme is a problem is wrong. Two things can be true, the scheme can be a problem and Page still has no idea what he's watching when he watches game film.

Or what he’s saying when he watches the film is exactly what those guys have been saying as well. So he could be watching it and be correct as he’s saying similar things that foles, Avant, long have said recently. and there’s other problems as well.

He also said in there for being as young as they are along the line they’ve held up better than what you could’ve asked them for. That doesn’t say they’ve been fantastic or good. What he is saying to you is based off how young across the line besides Jordan Mailata they’re doing a better job than what you would expect them to hold up. The bigger issue is their scheme

14 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

I think we need to figure out what the facts are. Was that them or was that something Hurts decided to do if he wanted to play? The sleep thing sounds bad, and it is, but there was a lot going on and it all happened in a short period of time. Again, this is bad but there is a also a ton of speculation and freaking out going on. I'm curious to see what ends up actually being true. This is also a big story and reporters are fighting for clicks.

The team and the medical staff shouldn't have allowed him to play if he hadn't slept for 36 hours. Regardless of whether that was Hurts decision to do so or was told to by the medical staff

3 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Hurts will be here. He's the franchise QB.

I meant if he demands a trade

I'd be flat out stunned if Hurts demanded a trade or sued the Eagles over this. The most likely answer to why he played in London is because he insisted on playing. Jalen knew he had a blood clot and hadn't slept. Even if the medical staff advised him not to play, he's a football player and a competitor. He played because HE wanted to.

The issue for me is - the medical staff and coaches need to protect him from himself. They should have deactivated him and they didn't. But I don't see Jalen being livid because they gave into what he wanted.

He puts it all on the pjne for this team and all he gets in response are ungrateful "fans" and attacks from the media.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Or what he’s saying when he watches the film is exactly what those guys have been saying. So he could be watching it and be correct as he’s saying similar things that foles, Avant, long have said. and there’s other problems as well.

I commented yesterday and said guys weren't getting beat 1-on-1, they were missing assignments and/or didn't know who to block. That was likely true for Jurgens and Dickerson quite a bit as well. Mundt also completely missed an assignment leading to a sack.

It shouldn't still be happening in Week 6, which led me to comment that OL coach Kuper may well be one-and-done after this season. I don't think he's done a good job there at all.

The reports coming out of camp were that this offense looked completely different. Lots of passing from under center, motion, routes over the middle, etc. So either one of four things happened.

1. The journalists who reported that didn't know what they were talking about and aren't educated enough from a football sense to make statements like that. This is what I'm leaning towards.

2. Nick/Sean realized quickly that Hurts can't run this type of offense, even though he had an effective game week one against Washington with a majority of his good plays coming from chunk plays and pushing the ball downfield.

3. Nick pulled the power card and wanted his style of offense to be ran instead, neutering Mannion. I don't understand how this would fly with Howie/Lurie considering the hires they made on the offensive side of the ball in the offseason.

4. Injuries derailed the entire plan and they had to scrap a lot of their concepts to compensate. Again, I don't buy this one as you're installing an offense as a philosophy and the root of that shouldn't change regardless of injuries.

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

Here is what has been unsaid by the media (and the eagles).

1. PEs are life threatening. BUT…they are life threatening when you have it and don’t know that you do. (Which, ironically, was the case with the eagles and Hurts for a period of time).

2. Once you actually recognize it and go on blood thinners (anticoagulation), the danger and concern drops way, way down. Response to this medication is very, very reliable. It’s not really some coin toss as to what happens from here.

3. Now that it IS dvt/pe, they need to answer (at least internally) exactly why it happened. It he had a legit calf injury/contusion that provoked this, then he is good to go for next season with zero concern. If it came out of nowhere, then you worry about an underlying condition and recurrence.

Missed DVT/PE is a pretty big lawsuit trigger in the medical community, specifically in the ortho world. It’s normally "understandable” because the resources aren’t in place to just ultrasound the daylight out of everyone in perpetuity. But to miss it in a $250m athlete when you already knew they had a superficial clot…and told everyone it was only a superficial clot? They are in a little bit of hot water over this.

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

A superficial clot is extremely non concerning. Athletes play with it and don’t even go on the injury report. In some ways, a sprained ankle is worse.

We have post op patients who get routine screening for blood clots and superficial positives aren’t even remotely concerning. They are just monitored (and these are sick patients that are completely immobilized).

To go from a press release calling a clot superficial to backtracking and calling it DVT/PE inside of a couple days based nothing but other opinions 100% means it was missed.

I think the malpractice concern on the ortho side is when there's a procedure done, like surgery, that carries a risk of DVT and that risk isn't monitored. Prior to the flight I don't think the superficial clots would warrant an ultrasound unless there were other symptoms that warranted an ultrasound. We are just speculating on the cause but it sounds like Hurts had calf pain which was diagnosed as the superficial blood clots initially. I would think the doctor at the hospital in England would have done an ultrasound to look at whether there was a DVT at that time. It sounds like the doctors at that facility did not think he had a DVT or they would not have let him play. If he was having chest pain or trouble breathing, I am not sure how they would have let him play given the risk of a PE or other potentially fatal condition. So I am assuming all of his symptoms were related to the calf. Also, he may not have had the DVT at that point. It's possible he also had additional trauma during the game which resulted in the DVT on the flight home. I am guessing he was exhausted from the game not being able to sleep. He then probably was more sedentary after the game the prior to the game which would increase the risk and caused the DVT. He gets reevaluated and at that point has additional testing and current diagnosis.

I will say I have a lot of experience with company doctors. The team physicians are always going to view part of their job as pushing the player back to participation. They are getting questions from the team's training staff and the player about getting cleared to practice and play. Often the player wants to get cleared as soon as possible. It undoubtedly influences the doctor's decisions. The press release by Hurts's people makes it seem like they had to get an outside physician to address his condition. I will say that the team has a team ortho but ortho's don't typically treat this condition. They may have gotten a vascular surgeon involved that has better diagnosed the condition.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

None of us know where the trust is at this point. Just knowing what we know about hurts, he was obviously gonna wanna play. But he’s also trusting the opinions/diagnosis of the doctors to make that decision. If they came with, we think you could die if you play then I’m guessing he’s not playing in that game. So the guessing would be he probably doesn’t trust their doctors. I’m guessing he probably went to outside doctors once he got back to Philadelphia to see what they say and told him.

Feels like there’s more to the story that hasn’t been reported yet or details we don’t know. So not sure he trusts the organization or not.

Our medical staff is not be trusted at this point. That has played out a million times since last year with all the injuries and people playing hurt. To send him across the country on a long flight and not intervening and not nipping this in the bud, is just incompetent and gross negligence. Hard to comprehend.

Both statements released by the eagles mention doctors in London. They are going to pass the buck on this.

Todays statement makes it clear that the specialists in London made the diagnosis of a superficial thrombosis.

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

The team and the medical staff shouldn't have allowed him to play if he hadn't slept for 36 hours. Regardless of whether that was Hurts decision to do so or was told to by the medical staff

We'll see what the facts are. Lot of people are fighting for clicks. Is that true or an embellishment? Did the Eagles know? I tend to agree with you but I'm sure he isn't the first player to not sleep before a game. Their involvement matters and it looks bad. We have to wait and see.

34 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Which is why I said Hurts will be part owner affer this due to how much the Eagles botched this yet I was mocked for this not being serious at all and the Eagles did no wrong.

Still, the dumbest thing I have ever seen posted on a football message board.

Fans and media will always speculate about potential outcomes with injuries and medical situations based on whatever info comes out. And there are initial reports, but you always have to wait and see. Like an injury in the game, people will make guesses and even the team doesn't know until more tests are done.

In this case they reported superficial and let him play, so it makes sense for any fan - especially medical professionals - to use the information that the team put out and make a guess that it must not be serious. Because you're making the assumption that the medical staff did their due diligence. If a blood clot has potential to be more dangerous and even life threatening, with any patient you would think they would take it serious.

There will be investigations. The way the Eagles put out PR statements was already CYA. Making a joint statement with Hurts agent is another indication.

I would not be surprised if Hurts wants to be traded in the offseason. He gets blamed for the offense, doesn't seem to like all the changes in coaching and how this medical situation was handled. It may just be best for both parties to have a fresh start. That is if Hurts is healthy enough to play and doesn't need to retire. It's really a shame, I hope he will live a long, healthy life. But if he's able to play I could see him traded and see if he can perform. And the Eagles will draft a QB this year anyway and prepare to rebuild the offense around him.

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

Both statements released by the eagles mention doctors in London. They are going to pass the buck on this.

Todays statement makes it clear that the specialists in London made the diagnosis of a superficial thrombosis.

What a cluster you know what this is

Also, how is this guy not fired?

4 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

The reports coming out of camp were that this offense looked completely different. Lots of passing from under center, motion, routes over the middle, etc. So either one of four things happened.

1. The journalists who reported that didn't know what they were talking about and aren't educated enough from a football sense to make statements like that. This is what I'm leaning towards.

2. Nick/Sean realized quickly that Hurts can't run this type of offense, even though he had an effective game week one against Washington with a majority of his good plays coming from chunk plays and pushing the ball downfield.

3. Nick pulled the power card and wanted his style of offense to be ran instead, neutering Mannion. I don't understand how this would fly with Howie/Lurie considering the hires they made on the offensive side of the ball in the offseason.

4. Injuries derailed the entire plan and they had to scrap a lot of their concepts to compensate. Again, I don't buy this one as you're installing an offense as a philosophy and the root of that shouldn't change regardless of injuries.

5. They don't practice live reps and what looks like it might work in practice doesn't when teams are going full speed.

2 minutes ago, Lambo said:

Still, the dumbest thing I have ever seen posted on a football message board.

I've been here since 98 or 99. That's nothing.

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Todays statement makes it clear that the specialists in London made the diagnosis of a superficial thrombosis.

I think it’s entirely possible, if not likely, they were given bad information by the docs in London. That said, I would have assumed the team physician gets a Penn or Jefferson radiologist on the line immediately to review and confirm.

3 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Why does Hurts suck so bad?

2 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Also, how is this guy not fired?

I wouldnt be surprised by anything anymore.

5 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I commented yesterday and said guys weren't getting beat 1-on-1, they were missing assignments and/or didn't know who to block. That was likely true for Jurgens and Dickerson quite a bit as well. Mundt also completely missed an assignment leading to a sack.

It shouldn't still be happening in Week 6, which led me to comment that OL coach Kuper may well be one-and-done after this season. I don't think he's done a good job there at all.

Yeah i think kuper is a bad coach. There was a reason why Minnesota just let him walk out of the building. And they weren’t good as an offensive line every year he was there. To me I also said in week one and week two, guys were missing assignments. Guys didn’t understand the scheme and that was contributing to them looking even worse. Like they have flaws on the offensive line. Like their guys aren’t great. They’re not gonna be the 2024 Eagles offensive line. However, there are a lot of times when you watch it guys are making assignment mistakes or confused on which guy which lineman was supposed to block or pick up during an blitz. along with their flaws showing up doesn’t help matters. It compounds it.

I would be really surprised if Kuper is back next year. I wouldnt be really surprised if Stoutland isn’t somehow back and has a run game coordinator along with it. I thought this was always a potential they put Howie in the corner situation and then stoutland returns if it implodes. Unless he doesn’t wanna return as he has a bitter taste in his mouth still.

4 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I'd be flat out stunned if Hurts demanded a trade or sued the Eagles over this. The most likely answer to why he played in London is because he insisted on playing. Jalen knew he had a blood clot and hadn't slept. Even if the medical staff advised him not to play, he's a football player and a competitor. He played because HE wanted to.

The issue for me is - the medical staff and coaches need to protect him from himself. They should have deactivated him and they didn't. But I don't see Jalen being livid because they gave into what he wanted.

Its very unclear to me where the line is drawn in the NFL and courts between acting as another competent professional would. Thats basically the standard you have to uphold in court. Would another competent individual have acted the same?

In the NFL, not just the eagles, but everyone seems to give these players a ton of freedom to make medical decisions. There is a difference between informed consent, and then actually letting an untrained individual make the medical decisions to clear themselves with a condition the medical professional knows in dangerous to play with. Informed consent can never supersede over a decade of medical training to become a doctor and then years of experience practicing that the actual clinician has no matter how well they have explained the condition to the patient.

One previous eagles example of this was the waiver TO signed to play on his broken leg. Those are not supposed to hold up in court because the clinician is still supposed to know better.

NFL teams walk this fine line every day of every year, and it seems lawsuits are extremely rate. Im not sure how they manage that.

6 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Seems like it’s probably not smart to have 4 guys blocking one guy on this play as well