Time to put Howie back in the basement? - Discuss Howie Roseman here

[EagleMatt]

I dont think the Hurts pick is a waste or awful. Everyone thought the same with Foles in the 3rd. Dude ended up being a legend. Lets not be so quick to judge. 

[UK_EaglesFan89]

42 minutes ago, EagleMatt said:

I dont think the Hurts pick is a waste or awful. Everyone thought the same with Foles in the 3rd. Dude ended up being a legend. Lets not be so quick to judge. 

In my opinion it depends. If Hurts gets a chance as the starter and proves to be, at the very least, a good bridging QB until we can get out of the Wentz contract then that's a good pick. If not? If he doesn't get the opportunity or he doesn't show that he's a decent QB then it's a bad pick. 

[EazyEaglez]

"In 2013, the Eagles drafted Lane Johnson and Zach Ertz. Since then, Howie Roseman’s drafts have landed the Eagles exactly one Pro Bowl player, and that’s Carson Wentz. The only defensive player Roseman has ever drafted who’s made a Pro Bowl is Fletcher Cox, the 12th pick in the 2012 draft. One defensive Pro Bowler in nine drafts (not counting this year). He’s never found a defensive Pro Bowler after the 12th pick overall. Wentz is also the only Pro Bowler Roseman has drafted who’ll be in his 20s on opening day next year. It’s not just J.J. Arcega-Whiteside instead of D.J. Metcalf. This has been happening for years. Scrounging up functional starters from the late rounds or the practice squad or the waiver wire is fine. But you need stars to win big. Studs.”

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/howie-rosemans-shocking-draft-record-153823576.html
 

Just a snippet of an article by Frank on how woeful Howie Roseman has been as a talent evaluator.

[EagleJoe8]

4 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

"In 2013, the Eagles drafted Lane Johnson and Zach Ertz. Since then, Howie Roseman’s drafts have landed the Eagles exactly one Pro Bowl player, and that’s Carson Wentz. The only defensive player Roseman has ever drafted who’s made a Pro Bowl is Fletcher Cox, the 12th pick in the 2012 draft. One defensive Pro Bowler in nine drafts (not counting this year). He’s never found a defensive Pro Bowler after the 12th pick overall. Wentz is also the only Pro Bowler Roseman has drafted who’ll be in his 20s on opening day next year. It’s not just J.J. Arcega-Whiteside instead of D.J. Metcalf. This has been happening for years. Scrounging up functional starters from the late rounds or the practice squad or the waiver wire is fine. But you need stars to win big. Studs.”

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/howie-rosemans-shocking-draft-record-153823576.html
 

Just a snippet of an article by Frank on how woeful Howie Roseman has been as a talent evaluator.

Raise your hand if you're shocked.

[EazyEaglez]

6 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

Raise your hand if you're shocked.

I think if Lurie really wants to make changes then his buddy Howie needs to go first. Chip Kelly was like just get me one of these guys in the draft and Howie got him Marcus Smith instead. In a draft that was supposed to be one of the deepest in years Howie got Pumphrey of all people. Howie paid all that money to Hargrave and didn’t even consider the guy just might struggle switching from a 3-4 to a 4-3. The list of mistakes go on and on. It’s time to end this. 

[EagleJoe8]

Just now, EazyEaglez said:

I think if Lurie really wants to make changes then his buddy Howie needs to go first. Chip Kelly was like just get me one of these guys in the draft and Howie got him Marcus Smith instead. In a draft that was supposed to be one of the deepest in years Howie got Pumphrey of all people. Howie paid all that money to Hargrave and didn’t even consider the guy just might struggle switching from a 3-4 to a 4-3. The list of mistakes go on and on. It’s time to end this. 

Yeah, I've been on that train for awhile now. The one thing he was supposed to be a genius at, doesn't look so genius now. He has no more redeeming qualities.

[EazyEaglez]

1 minute ago, EagleJoe8 said:

Yeah, I've been on that train for awhile now. The one thing he was supposed to be a genius at, doesn't look so genius now. He has no more redeeming qualities.

It’s hard to say how good or bad any of the coaches are, because most of them are dealing with a large number of practice squad players. Fulgham is a great story, but he’s no stud receiver. Two PS receivers are starting over all of the guys Howie drafted and over paid to be here! 

[EagleJoe8]

2 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

It’s hard to say how good or bad any of the coaches are, because most of them are dealing with a large number of practice squad players. Fulgham is a great story, but he’s no stud receiver. Two PS receivers are starting over all of the guys Howie drafted and over paid to be here! 

In some, or maybe even most cases, you're right. Though if reports that Press Taylor is too much a friend to Wentz, and not enough a tough coach, then we can at least judge that.

[EazyEaglez]

3 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

In some, or maybe even most cases, you're right. Though if reports that Press Taylor is too much a friend to Wentz, and not enough a tough coach, then we can at least judge that.

I don’t know what Taylor has done to deserve to stay and get a promotion at the same time. 

[CaliEagle]

3 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

I don’t know what Taylor has done to deserve to stay and get a promotion at the same time. 

I'm tired of the Eagles promoting from within.  It's lazy.  Open up jobs to people outside the organization, too. Get the best person in there.

[Blazehound]

3 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

"In 2013, the Eagles drafted Lane Johnson and Zach Ertz. Since then, Howie Roseman’s drafts have landed the Eagles exactly one Pro Bowl player, and that’s Carson Wentz. The only defensive player Roseman has ever drafted who’s made a Pro Bowl is Fletcher Cox, the 12th pick in the 2012 draft. One defensive Pro Bowler in nine drafts (not counting this year). He’s never found a defensive Pro Bowler after the 12th pick overall. Wentz is also the only Pro Bowler Roseman has drafted who’ll be in his 20s on opening day next year. It’s not just J.J. Arcega-Whiteside instead of D.J. Metcalf. This has been happening for years. Scrounging up functional starters from the late rounds or the practice squad or the waiver wire is fine. But you need stars to win big. Studs.”

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/howie-rosemans-shocking-draft-record-153823576.html
 

Just a snippet of an article by Frank on how woeful Howie Roseman has been as a talent evaluator.

Eye opening article. Roseman needs to be shown the door ASAP.

[NOTW]

6 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

"In 2013, the Eagles drafted Lane Johnson and Zach Ertz. Since then, Howie Roseman’s drafts have landed the Eagles exactly one Pro Bowl player, and that’s Carson Wentz. The only defensive player Roseman has ever drafted who’s made a Pro Bowl is Fletcher Cox, the 12th pick in the 2012 draft. One defensive Pro Bowler in nine drafts (not counting this year). He’s never found a defensive Pro Bowler after the 12th pick overall. Wentz is also the only Pro Bowler Roseman has drafted who’ll be in his 20s on opening day next year. It’s not just J.J. Arcega-Whiteside instead of D.J. Metcalf. This has been happening for years. Scrounging up functional starters from the late rounds or the practice squad or the waiver wire is fine. But you need stars to win big. Studs.”

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/howie-rosemans-shocking-draft-record-153823576.html
 

Just a snippet of an article by Frank on how woeful Howie Roseman has been as a talent evaluator.

Thank you. 

I've been arguing a few years now that defending a player as being decent is one thing, but that's Howie's CEILING. There are some decent guys like Barnett, Goedert, Sanders but no stars, no real difference makers. Too many busts, too many JAGs, too many "we don't have any needs" reaches.

[Swoop]

On 11/16/2020 at 1:30 AM, EagleMatt said:

I dont think the Hurts pick is a waste or awful. Everyone thought the same with Foles in the 3rd. Dude ended up being a legend. Lets not be so quick to judge. 

Davion Taylor was the worst pick of the draft by a country mile. Yes, even worse than Hurts (which can still turn out to be good).

What logic is there to take a total project that early and at a position of weakness? Davion Taylor the 6th round pick is a great move. Davion Taylor that early is horrendous.

If you want to take a 6'5 DE with poor technique, but a ton of explosion in that spot, I somewhat get it. This is a talented line. This line can help take the pressure off. Even if he never lives up to potential, you may still have a pass rushing specialist.

No, let's take the undersized LB who hasn't been playing football a long time and stick him in an inexperienced, terrible LB group. Hey, at least he's fast.

[kentwo]

I hope that Howie is gone, but listening to Eagle's radios shows etc... it seems unlikely that he'd be gone this year. Here's some of the points I hear repeated on the radio. 

• Lurie loves the guy.
• The cap situation is horrendous and Howie might be the only person that can see all the strings and how to get the team back under the cap.
• At this time, are there names of people that would be a good fit? 
• He just needs better draft talent evaluators. 

Some of these are legit reasons why Howie may have one more year with the team, but man I hope there is a young GM-to-be just waiting out there for this opportunity. Because Howie's drafting is terrible and his FA pickups are so hit/miss that it puts the team in financial holes. 

 

 

[UK_EaglesFan89]

16 minutes ago, kentwo said:

• The cap situation is horrendous and Howie might be the only person that can see all the strings and how to get the team back under the cap.
• At this time, are there names of people that would be a good fit? 
• He just needs better draft talent evaluators. 

Firstly, I don't buy that the cap situation is a reason to keep him because any GM could look at the contracts and figure it out. Howie has been lauded as a cap genius, the reality is he isn't. 

I also don't think a reason to keep him is that there may be no clear candidate? Howie is a bad GM, that's reason to fire him. If we don't get the right replacement first time then OK that happens to most teams.

That said, i don't think Lurie is going to make the obvious decision to fire Howie. And that's a major issue for this team. 

[EazyEaglez]

8 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Firstly, I don't buy that the cap situation is a reason to keep him because any GM could look at the contracts and figure it out. Howie has been lauded as a cap genius, the reality is he isn't. 

I also don't think a reason to keep him is that there may be no clear candidate? Howie is a bad GM, that's reason to fire him. If we don't get the right replacement first time then OK that happens to most teams.

That said, i don't think Lurie is going to make the obvious decision to fire Howie. And that's a major issue for this team. 

If you don’t want to "fire Howie” then do it the way the government does and promote him out of the way.

[UK_EaglesFan89]

10 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

If you don’t want to "fire Howie” then do it the way the government does and promote him out of the way.

I mean... No thanks. They need to cut ties with this guy and get rid. Not keep him around. He's a weasel so he's position himself to sign of all decisions or something.

[EagleJoe8]

3 hours ago, kentwo said:

I hope that Howie is gone, but listening to Eagle's radios shows etc... it seems unlikely that he'd be gone this year. Here's some of the points I hear repeated on the radio. 

• Lurie loves the guy.
• The cap situation is horrendous and Howie might be the only person that can see all the strings and how to get the team back under the cap.
• At this time, are there names of people that would be a good fit? 
• He just needs better draft talent evaluators. 

Some of these are legit reasons why Howie may have one more year with the team, but man I hope there is a young GM-to-be just waiting out there for this opportunity. Because Howie's drafting is terrible and his FA pickups are so hit/miss that it puts the team in financial holes. 

 

 

The bolded really isn’t a valid point. It’s not uncommon for fans to not have familiarity with the scouting departments on other teams. I don’t even expect those on WIP or other sports talk shows to know that. That’s where it’s incumbent upon Lurie to talk to trusted people he knows to get a sense of who may be ready to step up into a GM role so he can put together a list of candidates to interview. 

[Perforator]

On 11/16/2020 at 2:14 AM, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

In my opinion it depends. If Hurts gets a chance as the starter and proves to be, at the very least, a good bridging QB until we can get out of the Wentz contract then that's a good pick. If not? If he doesn't get the opportunity or he doesn't show that he's a decent QB then it's a bad pick. 

It doesn't even matter if he is good or not (unless he's Tom Brady good), the fact of the matter is we had other needs.

[nipples]

16 minutes ago, Perforator said:

It doesn't even matter if he is good or not (unless he's Tom Brady good), the fact of the matter is we had other needs.

Umm, yes it does matter if he is good or not. Wentz is proving to not be the guy we hoped he could be. That means that QB was in fact a need, and given that it’s the most important position I’d say that need was pretty big. 
 

We will see what happens. I’m still not even 100% convinced Wentz starts tonight. He very well may, but Doug’s hesitation when answering the questions about his starting QB last week, now the news of Hurts taking first team reps... I would not be surprised if they wait until right before the game to announce that Hurts will start.
 

Because it isn’t an injury situation, they have had no obligation to come out and publicly name Hurts the starter if he is in fact going to be the guy. Could very well be them just wanting to not give that info to Seattle until the last minute. 
 

After hearing Doug’s press conference where he was trying to evade the questions about a QB change, I said I think it’s 50/50 on who gets the start. 

[UK_EaglesFan89]

1 hour ago, Perforator said:

It doesn't even matter if he is good or not (unless he's Tom Brady good), the fact of the matter is we had other needs.

Well that may not be the case actually... QB may be a need. 

[ToDie4Eagles]

bump

[Road to Victory]

On 11/16/2020 at 1:30 AM, EagleMatt said:

I dont think the Hurts pick is a waste or awful. Everyone thought the same with Foles in the 3rd. Dude ended up being a legend. Lets not be so quick to judge. 

Sure it is. You spend a lot of draft capital to trade up for Wentz. You release Foles and then commit to Wentz by giving him a huge contract and then draft a project QB in the 2nd round. It’s total incompetence. This team has so many holes along the Oline, WR, LB, S and CB and you draft a backup QB. Total waste of a pick. They should’ve used the pick to fill some holes. 

[NOTW]

Even the announcers were ripping Howie tonight.

[EagleVA]

On 11/29/2020 at 6:39 PM, EazyEaglez said:

I think if Lurie really wants to make changes then his buddy Howie needs to go first. Chip Kelly was like just get me one of these guys in the draft and Howie got him Marcus Smith instead. In a draft that was supposed to be one of the deepest in years Howie got Pumphrey of all people. Howie paid all that money to Hargrave and didn’t even consider the guy just might struggle switching from a 3-4 to a 4-3. The list of mistakes go on and on. It’s time to end this. 

This Reagor over Mims is going to be bad once the Jets assemble a team.