Time to put Howie back in the basement? - Discuss Howie Roseman here

[NOTW]

Now would be a good time for the "cancel culture" to dig up old tweets, photos, something on Howie. 

[EaglesfanfromND]

Howie will be the last man standing...........errrrr I mean scurrying under the cabinets like a cockroach!

[FitzIsAtTheAirport]

15 hours ago, NOTW said:

Now would be a good time for the "cancel culture" to dig up old tweets, photos, something on Howie. 

I’d rather see cancel culture cancelled over Howie...and I’m not a fan of Howie.

[macgregor]

I'm not here to defend Howie, I'm here to defend the truth.  People assume HC has NOTHING to do with the draft are effin wrong. Is Lurie using Howie as cover for his own meddling? Maybe. But you don't know that either. So you're basing your hate on something you don't know, but believe because, of course so many are saying it. There should be a word for that. The hate has reached a point where it overlooks Howie's strengths and focuses on things the haters believe Howie did based on sophist assumptions. That doesn't make you effers smart! It makes you STUPID.

[NOTW]

Lurie cited Douglas and Berry going to other teams to be GMs and that there are other guys on staff that could be GMs for other teams.  I loved Les Bowen's question:  if you have all these great people in the building, then why isn't the drafting any good?  

Or, why not hire one of these "great" GMs instead of Howie?

[NOTW]

So this "report" from "sources" (so take it FWIW) says Lurie wanted JJAW.

Roseman wanted:  Parris Campbell

These are the people calling the shots.

 

 

 

[EazyEaglez]

35 minutes ago, NOTW said:

So this "report" from "sources" (so take it FWIW) says Lurie wanted JJAW.

Roseman wanted:  Parris Campbell

These are the people calling the shots.

 

 

 

Time to put Lurie in the basement with Howie.

[EaglesfanfromND]

4 hours ago, macgregor said:

I'm not here to defend Howie, I'm here to defend the truth.  People assume HC has NOTHING to do with the draft are effin wrong. Is Lurie using Howie as cover for his own meddling? Maybe. But you don't know that either. So you're basing your hate on something you don't know, but believe because, of course so many are saying it. There should be a word for that. The hate has reached a point where it overlooks Howie's strengths and focuses on things the haters believe Howie did based on sophist assumptions. That doesn't make you effers smart! It makes you STUPID.

What exactly are those? Don't even think of saying contracts and the cap because we all see what that looks like and it aint good!

[NOTW]

59 minutes ago, EaglesfanfromND said:

What exactly are those? Don't even think of saying contracts and the cap because we all see what that looks like and it aint good!

Just as players and coaches regress, so can a GM.

They started really feeling themselves after the SB.  They erected a statue.  Roseman won GM of the year.  It proved they could build a championship team...

So they tried to repeat which many teams do.  This is where they failed.  They didn't think they had any needs so they traded back and then with their 2nd round pick drafted a backup TE.  They extended players that were veterans and let Big V and Beau Allen go, and dealt with injuries to Malik Jackson, Brandon Brooks, Jason Peters, Jeffrey, DeSean, etc.  The one veteran they should have kept was Malcolm Jenkins.  

Howie kept restructuring and extending and moving money around and kicking the can down the road.  That road is 2021 with a lack of young talent, cap hell, no room to sign band aid free agents to cover up for bad drafting.  They have to rebuild through the draft and purge veteran players, as well as find the right Head Coach.

They have an owner who has started to meddle too much, a national reputation of front office clashes with the head coach who can't hire his own staff, a national conversation about their poor drafting, a QB who regressed from MVP candidate to worst in the league, a QB controversy drafting a 2nd round QB after giving $100 million to a QB who hadn't finished a season healthy in 3 years...

But Lurie was selling what a great organization it is and they have great people and are going to get back to greatness!

[UK_EaglesFan89]

15 minutes ago, NOTW said:

But Lurie was selling what a great organization it is and they have great people and are going to get back to greatness!

If any prospective coach was watching that press conference and was bowled over by what Lurie said then to be honest I don't think that's a coach destined for success. 

This is not an attractive job right now. 

The Chargers job is more appealing, the Jags job may be more appealing. Then there is an argument to be made on the Jets and Texans jobs. 

[NOTW]

26 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

If any prospective coach was watching that press conference and was bowled over by what Lurie said then to be honest I don't think that's a coach destined for success. 

This is not an attractive job right now. 

The Chargers job is more appealing, the Jags job may be more appealing. Then there is an argument to be made on the Jets and Texans jobs. 

A HC job in the NFL is always attractive to someone, but like with anything the top candidates will take the best situations.  In 2016 they saw other top candidates hire elsewhere, settled for Doug and we were told that's who they wanted all along.  (Right).

It's interesting that Lurie said Doug didn't deserve to be fired, and that their visions didn't align:  Doug wanted to fix things and win in 2021 with a short term goal.  Lurie basically admitted to tanking and rebuilding with no concern for winning...which is ironic because so many criticized Doug for "tanking" in week 17.  

Such dysfunction and conflicting messages.

[Penn7980]

According to Lurie's remark, Howie will be in the search team for a new HC.  Lurie still has the final say on the hire.  Howie could influence that decision. 

This shows Lurie is a deep relationship with Howie, despite his misses on personnel choices.  In Chip's era and now after the poor showing of the last few seasons, Lurie stuck with his guy.  Hope he is right on steering the ship in the right direction.

[PoconoDon]

2 minutes ago, Penn7980 said:

According to Lurie's remark, Howie will be in the search team for a new HC.  Lurie still has the final say on the hire.  Howie could influence that decision. 

This shows Lurie is a deep relationship with Howie, despite his misses on personnel choices.  In Chip's era and now after the poor showing of the last few seasons, Lurie stuck with his guy.  Hope he is right on steering the ship in the right direction.

Yeah, straight into the iceberg.

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[Mike030270]

6 hours ago, NOTW said:

Lurie cited Douglas and Berry going to other teams to be GMs and that there are other guys on staff that could be GMs for other teams.  I loved Les Bowen's question:  if you have all these great people in the building, then why isn't the drafting any good?  

Or, why not hire one of these "great" GMs instead of Howie?

I was waiting for him to say GM factory

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"We are being run into the ground by the mathlete Howie Roseman."

 

[Bwestbrook36]

4 hours ago, NOTW said:

A HC job in the NFL is always attractive to someone, but like with anything the top candidates will take the best situations.  In 2016 they saw other top candidates hire elsewhere, settled for Doug and we were told that's who they wanted all along.  (Right).

It's interesting that Lurie said Doug didn't deserve to be fired, and that their visions didn't align:  Doug wanted to fix things and win in 2021 with a short term goal.  Lurie basically admitted to tanking and rebuilding with no concern for winning...which is ironic because so many criticized Doug for "tanking" in week 17.  

Such dysfunction and conflicting messages.

I'm glad those other top candidates didn't come here because they ended up worse. 

[UK_EaglesFan89]

9 hours ago, NOTW said:

It's interesting that Lurie said Doug didn't deserve to be fired, and that their visions didn't align:  Doug wanted to fix things and win in 2021 with a short term goal.  Lurie basically admitted to tanking and rebuilding with no concern for winning...which is ironic because so many criticized Doug for "tanking" in week 17.  

See what gets me there is that it was a joint decision after the SB to try and repeat. It was a decision made by all to try and maximise their window. That then set them back in the medium term. 

Plus, every HC wants to win now because if they don't it is their job on the line. 

[E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles]

3 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

See what gets me there is that it was a joint decision after the SB to try and repeat. It was a decision made by all to try and maximise their window. That then set them back in the medium term. 

Plus, every HC wants to win now because if they don't it is their job on the line. 

I still think they knew when they rolled the dice to repeat that this day was coming to some extent.  Probably not 4 wins worth of difficulty, but a rough season or two.  Once that hole was too deep this year for many reasons, they then realized Doug was not able to handle the process and here we are.  

Its foolish for any of us to really think that the FO completely ignored the ramifications of those short term calls.  You hate The Weasel and that is OK, but its not all on him either.

[UK_EaglesFan89]

3 hours ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

Its foolish for any of us to really think that the FO completely ignored the ramifications of those short term calls.  You hate The Weasel and that is OK, but its not all on him either.

Oh no its not all on the weasel at all. Doug has to take blame. These coaches all have to take blame for not developing but bottom line the weasel has done a rotten job at drafting. And no that's not all on him that's scouts etc but he's GM he has to take responsibility. 

[NOTW]

5 hours ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

I still think they knew when they rolled the dice to repeat that this day was coming to some extent.  Probably not 4 wins worth of difficulty, but a rough season or two.  Once that hole was too deep this year for many reasons, they then realized Doug was not able to handle the process and here we are.  

Its foolish for any of us to really think that the FO completely ignored the ramifications of those short term calls.  You hate The Weasel and that is OK, but its not all on him either.

Most fans would agree they'd be fine with some average or bad seasons to finally win a SB.

It's the specific decisions, bad drafting, bad trades, bad contract extensions and dysfunction like management forcing coaches on the HC.  You can make short-term plans to load up and try to win a championship but still draft well.

2 years removed from the SB and they realized the need to get younger.  They drafted Dillard, Sanders and JJAW.  Dillard is a question mark and might just be a JAG, Sanders is good but hurt a lot already and won't last long, and JJAW is a bust.  Last year they also gave the speech about needing to get back to building for the future.  They missed on Reagor instead of taking Jefferson, they took a backup QB instead of helping the defense and were too focused on speed instead of quality players.

They don't get a pass all of a sudden this year for waking up and realizing now is the time to rebuild.  They have draft picks like every other team with opportunities to take the right guys and they have failed.  

[Bwestbrook36]

56 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Most fans would agree they'd be fine with some average or bad seasons to finally win a SB.

It's the specific decisions, bad drafting, bad trades, bad contract extensions and dysfunction like management forcing coaches on the HC.  You can make short-term plans to load up and try to win a championship but still draft well.

2 years removed from the SB and they realized the need to get younger.  They drafted Dillard, Sanders and JJAW.  Dillard is a question mark and might just be a JAG, Sanders is good but hurt a lot already and won't last long, and JJAW is a bust.  Last year they also gave the speech about needing to get back to building for the future.  They missed on Reagor instead of taking Jefferson, they took a backup QB instead of helping the defense and were too focused on speed instead of quality players.

They don't get a pass all of a sudden this year for waking up and realizing now is the time to rebuild.  They have draft picks like every other team with opportunities to take the right guys and they have failed.  

Howie has no clear plan it changes year to year and that trickles down to the coaches having to deal with his change of plans and ridiculous picks he makes to match his plan. He's a dope 

[NOTW]