1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I love going to the movies knowing the movie I’m about to see sucks and then watch it suck up until the ending which really sucks, then driving home and saying "wow honey that movie sure did suck!” Super excited for the rebuild. 

This is a ridiculous comparison, why would you go to a movie that you know sucks? You don't invest years of your life into a movie that sucks, 4+ hours every sunday for 17+ weeks a year. For a lot of people it's much much more time than that. People are negative because there is nothing exciting about this team at all when the people who got us in this position are still here.

Maaaaaaan..... F steph curry. 

1 hour ago, vaeagle2 said:

i wonder if half the fans even know what their chanting

Lurie is in denial. He probably hears the chant as "Extend Howie!".  

28 minutes ago, devpool said:

This is a ridiculous comparison, why would you go to a movie that you know sucks? You don't invest years of your life into a movie that sucks, 4+ hours every sunday for 17+ weeks a year. For a lot of people it's much much more time than that. People are negative because there is nothing exciting about this team at all when the people who got us in this position are still here.

It was sarcasm, thought I laid it on thick enough 

Nobody is excited to go to a movie they know sucks. Everyone knows the team will suck next year so there’s not much to be excited about. 

2 hours ago, bpac55 said:

I've been very negative as of late but it's hard not to when you have Lurie and Howie running the show.  I want to be excited about the possibilities but I'm just not.

I love the draft and having tons of picks, especially high picks but with this teams draft record it's really hard to get excited about it.  The more we talk about different scenarios or look at past draft mistakes it can drive you mad. 

SB52 was our high as Eagles fans.  It was amazing.  Rebuilding can be a fun process if the right guys are in charge.  Sadly, they aren't here.

Um, lol, you do realize they have the same people running the franchise that rebuilt the team quickly after the Chip era, into that SB52 winning team.

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMe9xTQgS/

 

Lmao

6 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

Lurie's seemingly absolute shock during his season end press conference that people were questioning him about Howie and then all the stories to come out since has me looking forward to his State of the Team address he does during training camp every year more than I am the actual season at this point.  I'm so fascinated with Lurie's delusion of Howie the GM.  Imagine if Howie completely botches this draft, Lurie still can't be completely swooning in love with Howie at that point.  Can he?

 

 

Sure he can because he knows the process had Howie identifying all the best players, but other teams took them before he could. 

48 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

Sure he can because he knows the process had Howie identifying all the best players, but other teams took them before he could. 

And Howie already personally built his next sales pitch/excuses/pivots....the staff (inexperienced) and Wentz defection (left us with a backup QB). 

I swear he is coated in Teflon.

15 hours ago, greend said:

Hated those

Yeah, instead of the Eagles we were the Tweety Birds.

9 hours ago, MillerTime said:

I just can’t understand how negative some of you are. This is a hobby. We won the Super Bowl three years ago. We are rebuilding. We have a ton of assets the next couple of years. I’m excited about the rebuild and the new coaching staff. 

Because we suck right now and nothing has changed at the very top where it needs to, suzy sunshine. Shouldn't be that hard to figure out.

6 hours ago, T-1000 said:

Um, lol, you do realize they have the same people running the franchise that rebuilt the team quickly after the Chip era, into that SB52 winning team.

Yes, I realize that.  Just a different feeling about this team this time around.  

In studying those drafted from 2000-16, we did find some differences by position. Offensive linemen seem to be the most likely first-round picks to succeed. Of the 55 offensive tackles taken in the first round from 2000-16, 33 got second contracts with the teams that drafted them. That's 60%. Twelve of the 26 first-round guards (46.2%) and all nine of the first-round centers (100%) made it. Linebacker is a relatively safe pick, too, as 54.8% (23 of 42) of the those drafted got re-signed to second contracts. But man, it's ugly after that.

 

You fired up about all of the wide receivers available to your team in the first round this year? Not so fast, my friend. Wide receivers were the lowest-rated group in this study. Of the 70 receivers drafted from 2000-16, only 19 made it to second contracts with the team that drafted them. And that includes Odell Beckham Jr. and Tavon Austin, who didn't exactly become legendary Giants or Rams. For every Calvin Johnson, there's a Kevin White. For every Julio Jones, an A.J. Jenkins. This doesn't mean your team shouldn't pick a wide receiver early -- superstar wideouts are extremely valuable, after all -- just that any individual choice is a relative long shot.

 

The next-worst position group in this study is defensive tackle (35.3%) and then cornerback (35.5%). Some of this could be attributable to poor scheme fit.

"When you ask players to do the exact same thing they did in college, they're probably going to be all right," former Jets and Dolphins GM (and current ESPN NFL analyst) Mike Tannenbaum said. "When you ask them to do something different, that's when you bring in the unknowns and the risk goes up."

 

Are there teams that have been more successful than others at retaining their first-round picks? Yes, but remember that this is only a 17-year sample, and teams usually have one first-round pick per year. With that being said, the Cowboys signed a league-high 73.3% (11 of 15) of 2000-16 first-round picks to second contracts. They're followed closely by the Panthers and Texans at 68.8% (both 11 of 16), the Eagles at 60% (9 of 15) and the Steelers at 58.82% (10 of 17).

At the bottom of the list are the Broncos and the Jaguars, each of whom made 17 first-round picks over that stretch and signed only four to second contracts (23.5%). Others near the bottom include the Browns and Lions at 25% (each 5 of 20) and the Cardinals and Bills at 27.8% (each 5 of 18).

 

So what about the quarterbacks? There were 45 taken in the 17 drafts from 2000-16, and 19 of those (42.2%) got second contracts from the teams that drafted them. That includes MVPs Aaron Rodgers, Matt Ryan and Cam Newton. It includes Super Bowl champions Eli Manning, Joe Flacco and Ben Roethlisberger. But it also includes Jared Goff and Carson Wentz, the top two picks from 2016 drafts, who were traded away this offseason from the teams that drafted them, before their second contracts even technically kicked in.

 

Does it matter how high they're picked? Sort of. Nine of the 12 quarterbacks taken with the No. 1 overall pick from those drafts got second contracts with the teams that picked them. (The ones who didn't were JaMarcus Russell, Sam Bradford and Jameis Winston.) Only one of three who were picked No. 2 got one (Wentz). Only one of the four who went No. 3 got one (Ryan). Philip Rivers, who was picked No. 4 in 2004, got one. That's 12 of the 19 overall. Finding a Roethlisberger at No. 11 or a Rodgers at No. 24 is basically like finding a golden ticket in your Wonka Bar.

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft/news

27 minutes ago, greend said:

Because we suck right now and nothing has changed at the very top where it needs to, suzy sunshine. Shouldn't be that hard to figure out.

Okay and in 2012 we went 4-12. In 2013 we went 10-6 and were in the playoffs. We sucked last year. That has no indication of how the team will perform this year with a new coaching staff and QB. Some of you can’t get passed the fire howie stuff. It’s not gonna happen. 

5 minutes ago, MillerTime said:

Okay and in 2012 we went 4-12. In 2013 we went 10-6 and were in the playoffs. We sucked last year. That has no indication of how the team will perform this year with a new coaching staff and QB. Some of you can’t get passed the fire howie stuff. It’s not gonna happen. 

Most people don't think it will happen, thus the pessimistic outlook.  

I can't imagine the Dolphins would get more to trade out of 6 than we did, but if they do...

These rumors of trying to get back in the top 10 make sense.  The Eagles were generally praised when they made the early deal with Miami to move back to 12.  Adding a first next year, even a pick probably in the 20s, will have great value.  

However, it was always hard to shake the thought that they just moved themselves off of getting a true impact player in this draft.  Going from 6 to 12 meant the difference maker guys they could most use... Chase, Pitts, Smith, Waddle, Surtain, Horn, Sewell... would all be off the board.   They put themselves right into tier 2.  Their two division rivals will be scraping up the last two of the above players right in front of them.  Was it worth it?  Was it the best deal they were going to get?  Did they need to jump on it?  Time will tell.

Will be interesting to see what the cost is to move back up.  Going back to 8 or 9 would not be cheap.  The deals I’ve seen thrown around with 3rd and 5th rounders and future picks are pure fantasy.  Will also be interesting to see what Miami is able to do with the 6th pick.

This is what we will continue to deal with as long as clown owner and lackey are left in charge.  No matter what they do, you can assume they probably made a bad decision and you will very likely be correct.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/04/20/could-eagles-move-back-into-the-top-10/

11 minutes ago, MillerTime said:

Okay and in 2012 we went 4-12. In 2013 we went 10-6 and were in the playoffs. We sucked last year. That has no indication of how the team will perform this year with a new coaching staff and QB. Some of you can’t get passed the fire howie stuff. It’s not gonna happen. 

It will perform  the way a team usually does with a new coach and qb and do you know what that usually means? The team is also devoid of talent and that 100% points at Howie and whether or not he gets fired doesn't mean that he shouldn't. 

You do you bro, if you want to be all sunshine and roses, do it. Don't question folks that see reasons not to be, because they are there.

8 hours ago, The Holy Vagabond said:

Maaaaaaan..... F steph curry. 

Dudes nasty for sure. That said he gets away with blatant 2 hand shoves all the time along with Draymond setting illegal screen after illegal screen

16 minutes ago, MillerTime said:

Okay and in 2012 we went 4-12. In 2013 we went 10-6 and were in the playoffs. We sucked last year. That has no indication of how the team will perform this year with a new coaching staff and QB. Some of you can’t get passed the fire howie stuff. It’s not gonna happen. 

I understand the comparison you're trying to make.  Hate Chip Kelly all you want but you knew he had a plan when he came here and things were going to be run his way.  They ran his offense and changed to a 3-4 defense.  They had the perfect players for Chips offense. 

Nick Foles - 27 TD/2 INT

Shady - 1600 yards 9TD/540 rec yards/2 TD

DJack - 1300 yards 9 TD

Riley Cooper - 835 yards 8 TD

Celek - 500 yards 6 TD

Ertz (rookie) - 450 yards 4 TD

JP - 1st team All-Pro/Pro Bowl

Evan Mathis - Pro Bowl

Kecle, Herremans and Lane Johnson (rookie) finished off the O-Line that played all 16 games together (can't underestimate this)

 

In the 3-4 defense we had a veteran/young LB group who combined for 21 sacks and 6 INTs

Connor Barwin 27 y/o 

DeMeco Ryans 29 y/o

Mychal Kendricks 23 y/o

Trent Cole 31 y/o

The D-line was Fletcher Cox (23/year 2), Cedric Thornton (underrated player) and Bennie Logan at NT.

Our DBacks were frustrating with Patrick Chung, Cary Williams, Nate Allen and Bradley Fletcher but even they came away with 6 INTs.

They also had Brandon Boykin in the slot with his crazy 6 INT season.

12 INT from the defensive backfield...imagine that.

 

 

Now look at the 2021 Eagles team.  Nick Siriani, who we all want to succeed, hasn't really pumped us full of confidence but we know he loves ball.

Look at the young players and players in their prime that the 2013 team had.  Even before Foles went off they had Vick to start the season.

Who on this team can you look at and think, yeah we can expect that kind of performance?

I'm not being negative, I'm just being realistic while looking at this team.  It sucks this is where we are but welp, here we are.

The 2021 Eagles have the following:

- question mark and unknown coaching staff

- question mark and no idea what to expect at quarterback

- tiny pool of young talent to build on

- maybe 1 or 2 players in their prime?  Dallas Goedert?  Javon Hargrave?

-aging, expensive, injury prone veteran players

- owner and GM who have shown complete incompetence when drafting

 

IF they nail this draft I'll feel better but they haven't given us much of a reason to think they will.  The excitement of getting the extra 1st rounder from moving back to 12 has worn off, especially now seeing that Miami might move back.  If the Dolphins get a bigger haul on draft day then the Eagles did then I'm going to have a sour taste in my mouth even before the Eagles pick.

These are crappy times to be an Eagles fan.  There was legit excitement when Chip Kelly came to town in 2013.  AR had become stale, the Eagles were stale.  He brought his high octane offense, quirky ideas and a change in defensive schemes to a 3-4.  There was optimism and the thoughts of what could be.  Of course we all know how that ended and he was a disaster.

The feeling now is almost hopeless.  The Eagles are getting laughed at around the league.  It sucks right now.

 

 

 

 

11 hours ago, MillerTime said:

I just can’t understand how negative some of you are. This is a hobby. We won the Super Bowl three years ago. We are rebuilding. We have a ton of assets the next couple of years. I’m excited about the rebuild and the new coaching staff. 

I'm excited about the coaching staff and a few players but overall I think we're going to be at the bottom again

I'd feel a lot more optimistic if Howie was fired

1 hour ago, MillerTime said:

Okay and in 2012 we went 4-12. In 2013 we went 10-6 and were in the playoffs. We sucked last year. That has no indication of how the team will perform this year with a new coaching staff and QB. Some of you can’t get passed the fire howie stuff. It’s not gonna happen. 

 

1 hour ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

Most people don't think it will happen, thus the pessimistic outlook.  

in my eyes, we have no real franchise QB, so we have no real future.  When you have a franchise QB, you have a shot each and every year. When you dont have a franchise QB, your chances of sustained winning are greatly diminished. 

No franchise QB + team that is a mix of old, slow and injured & young, stupid and no talent + new young coaching staff + still limited practice = Bottom of the Division results

 

A team would have to be totally dysfunctional to be worse than we will be this year. 

 

 

11 hours ago, MillerTime said:

I just can’t understand how negative some of you are. This is a hobby. We won the Super Bowl three years ago. We are rebuilding. We have a ton of assets the next couple of years. I’m excited about the rebuild and the new coaching staff. 

Hobby? 

And you call yourself an Eagles fan. 

20 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

 

in my eyes, we have no real franchise QB, so we have no real future.  When you have a franchise QB, you have a shot each and every year. When you dont have a franchise QB, your chances of sustained winning are greatly diminished. 

No franchise QB + team that is a mix of old, slow and injured & young, stupid and no talent + new young coaching staff + still limited practice = Bottom of the Division results

 

A team would have to be totally dysfunctional to be worse than we will be this year. 

 

 

I'd be interested to learn which players you think are stupid and why?