4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Caplan said he was told Herbig lost 30 pounds. Good. He was embarrassing looking out there. 

I've been saying it since the season ended.  If Herbig can get his sloppy ass in shape he could be a very capable starting OG in the league.  Nice to hear this.

18 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

If there's a top QB that they can get next season that can be a certainty for a future then they should get him IMO

Aaron Rodgers?

7 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I have no idea who is expected to be the best, but these guys are all midgets.  Except for Shough from Oregon, these guys are all 6'1" or 6'2"

We 100% picked the wrong year to have multiple firsts if we need to package them to move up for a QB.  Plus if we don't want one,  I don't see anyone wanting to give up a huge haul for any of these guys.  Obviously that is going to change, but this is the weakest QB class in quite some time.

There are always guys that emerge every year.  Wentz wasnt through of as a top 5 pick, neither was Zach Wilson.  There will be 1 or 2 QBs that play really well and emerge as top picks.

Also there's the possibility of getting a Deshaun Watson or Russell Wilson in 2022.  I know Wilson is older and both are mostly just a dream but you never know if the QB class is awful and we need one.

51 minutes ago, Iggles25 said:

Really hope Dickerson can stay healthy and have a productive career with the Eagles. He possesses all the intangibles you want in a leader of the OL.

But I'm still disappointed that they passed on Moehrig at 37. Getting him in the 2nd would have made the rest of the draft gravy regardless. That one is going to be a tough pill to swallow for a while.

Agree with all of this.  I can see why they went Dickerson.  High character guy, team leader, beast of a player.  However, there's that part of me that has seen this movie before and it always has the same disappointing result.  Now, the doctors and sports health specialists on the board didn't seem too concerned with his injury history.  Let's hope they are right.  If Dickerson becomes our next Kelce or Brooks for the next 7+ seasons then it's a very good pick.  If he can't stay healthy enough to be counted on then it's another Howie outsmarting himself trying to get incredible value when others did not.

I also wanted Moehrig.  I want Ss who can cover.  It's a passing league now and the rules are slanted to favour the WRs so you need DBs, both CBs and Ss, who can do 2 things:  ability to cover a big chunk of ground and ability to created TOs.  Moehrig is the best cover S in the draft.  We have Anthony Harris, who has had 9 INTs the past 2 seasons, but he is going to turn 30yo during the season and is only on a 1 year deal.  McLeod has lost a step and is also 30.  Wallace is an in the box S.  The other Ss on the roster are just for depth.  So Harris for this year and who knows after that.  Moehrig could have been plug-n-play and helped take pressure off the CBs.  Really could have help the D straight away. 

So all we can do is see how it all unfolds.  That's the big question:  Can Dickerson stay healthy and be a consistent dependable stud on the OL for at least 5+ seasons?

 

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I've been saying it since the season ended.  If Herbig can get his sloppy ass in shape he could be a very capable starting OG in the league.  Nice to hear this.

It would be amazing if Brooks could get Dickerson on his workout plan. Dickerson with added athleticism from trimming down seems like a unicorn type player. 

2 hours ago, bpac55 said:

I think there are 3 kinds of fans.

Overly optimistic- No matter what the Eagles do, it doesn't matter because the Eagles are the best and Dallas sucks.

Overly pessimistic- The true Negadelphian, doom and gloom no matter what.

Realistic- Fans who sit back and look at the big picture.  Might come off as negative sometimes but when things aren't great that's just reality.  

Nah, it's a continuum.     It ranges from extreme optimism to extreme pessimism, with realism in the center.   All fans move from time to time along the continuum, but most have a range that they generally stick to.   And, a person on the extreme of the continuum will see anyone not as closely aligned to their outlook as being much farther in the opposite direction than they truly are.

5 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

It would be amazing if Brooks could get Dickerson on his workout plan. Dickerson with added athleticism from trimming down seems like a unicorn type player. 

Hopefully he can also get him on his how to rehab from injuries plan.

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

It would be amazing if Brooks could get Dickerson on his workout plan. Dickerson with added athleticism from trimming down seems like a unicorn type player. 

You have to wonder if anyone in the Eagles FO or staff has ever approached Brooks to ask him to bring his trainer around.  I know everyone trains in different ways and there are just different body make ups but the way Brooks transformed himself from a really large, massive guy to an insanely cut up massive guy is astounding.  If I was Lurie I would want all of my guys training like that.  

You're right though, if Dickerson can get his body right (not that he's in bad shape) but just as healthy as possible and as fit as can be to prevent more injuries that would be incredible. 

2 hours ago, Rhinoddd50 said:

Maybe, time will tell.

But the Ravens and Steelers have had a number of "Meh" drafts over the years.  This article from 2014 was even discussing a "Meh" draft the Ravens had back then.  It happens to all organizations, even the best ones.

But what I find impressive is the consistency they demonstrate year after year.   They don't try and rewrite their strategy after a poor / bad draft.  They just keep grinding from the same playbook and approach because they believe that it will work more times than not.

Of course.  They have good process.  They don't change the process because of a single bad outcome.  The process being successful (and history shows that it is) means that while bad and/or meh drafts will happen, if they continue that same process, the law of averages works out for them saying that they will hit more often than they will miss compared to the mean of the league.

29 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

BWF actually made a great point about hurts and the eagles decision to move or keep him as the QB in 2022. If they go 8-9 and he’s the 14-16th ranked QB is that enough? Cause some will say it’s not and others will say well it was his first full year starting so maybe he gets better with another year. To me you want him to either be really good (ideally) or really bad. If he’s really good you don’t need another QB. If he’s really bad the decision is made for you. You don’t really want something in the middle where he’s middle of the pack and just OK cause you basically are going to potentially find yourself stuck in purgatory and move the QB situation back another year til you can make a decision. If you are rebuilding toward 2023 and expecting that’s the year you are a playoff caliber contender you don’t want to go into the 2023 offseason potentially needing to find your QB 

My issue with Hurts is his style.  Great athlete, great attitude, great competitor, champion...every single negative from everyone who has seen him play involves PASSING.

As Bruce Arians said: we don't draft our QB's to run, we draft them to throw.  

So even if Hurts beats expectations, I don't ever see a path for him to become a top-end passer.  

In 4 years, we have invested 2 first round picks (Reagor/Smith), 2 second around picks (Goedert/JJAW), 1 third round pick (Tate), 1 4th round pick (Hollins), 2 5th round picks (Gibson/Hightower), 1 6th round pick (Watkins), 6/7th round picks (Desean) and a couple big FA deals (Alshon/Desean) in pass catchers.  We also have 2 RBs who particularly emphasize and excel in the passing game.

Did we seriously dump that ENORMOUS investment in the receiving end of the passing game just to have the distributor be a crude running QB?

2 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Kelvin Joseph might be talented, but he’s apparently a moron and was told to go away by two different SEC programs. 

That's the Dallas philosophy in spades.   They love the super talented bonehead, and if they come with legal issues too, that's even better.   They've always been that way.  The Cowboys of the 70s had as much trouble as the Raiders, if not more... but the Raiders had Al Davis as their 'face' of the franchise and they embraced it.  The Cowboys had squeaky clean Tom Landry and Roger Starbach as their 'face', and no one wanted to really believe it.

 

Its only gotten more pronounced under Jerrah.

2 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Imagine how people would respond if Reagor said he didn’t want to work out with Hurts outdoors because it isn’t safe. 

The team already has said that as a collective.

new Jack Stoll video

 

11 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

KC is awesome too.  I'm not a huge beef guy when it comes to BBQ.  I haven't even tried the weird mustard ish from SC.  I just can't.  

Nor can I.

You know what they say about South Carolina: "too small for a country; too big for an insane asylum."

Said 161 years ago and still holds true today.

 

2 hours ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

This.

"You got your seventeenth game, we get a few more weeks off in the spring."

Rather than fighting for that stupid thing, they should have fought for a second bye week.   That might actually matter.    There's no hitting in OTAs.

I was thinking of our 2022 picks and there's 2 scenarios we are looking at.

Scenario #1:

1st Round - 2 picks, probably 1 top 10 and the other from 15-25 (all are guesses)

2nd Round - 2 picks, 1 in the top 10 of the Round and the other from 12-18

3rd Round - 1 pick

4th Round - 1 pick

5th Round - 2 picks, 1 in the top 10 and the other could be anywhere from 12-22 in the Round

6th Round - 1 pick

7th Round - 1 pick

Scenario #2:

1st Round - 3 picks, 1 in the top 10, one in the 15-25 range, and 1 in the 20-28 range (again all are guesses, but at the moment seem probable)

2nd Round - 1 pick in the top 10 of the Round

3rd Round - 1 pick

4th Round - 1 pick

5th Round - 2 picks, 1 in the top 10 and the other could be anywhere from 12-22 in the Round

6th Round - 1 pick

7th Round - 1 pick

That's 10 picks and neither scenario includes any potential comp picks.  But either way we should be in position to add some impact talent to the roster, especially with a full season of college football and probably a combine to better scout the new draft class.  Four teams seem to have been awarded a 3rd Round comp pick for another team hiring one of their minority coaches/FO personnel people (and there will probably be a few teams that get awarded a 3rd Round comp pick for losing a top player in FA), but that would still give us 6 picks in the top 82 at worst as things stand right now.  A big factor depends on how Hurts plays this season.  If he struggles and doesn't look like a competent starting NFL QB then we'll be QB shopping in 2022 and might have to use one of those 1st Round picks to trade up to get one of the top QBs.  For now it's nice to know we have good ammo for next year's draft.  Hopefully their aim gets better.

 

9 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That's the Dallas philosophy in spades.   They love the super talented bonehead, and if they come with legal issues too, that's even better.   They've always been that way.  The Cowboys of the 70s had as much trouble as the Raiders, if not more... but the Raiders had Al Davis as their 'face' of the franchise and they embraced it.  The Cowboys had squeaky clean Tom Landry and Roger Starbach as their 'face', and no one wanted to really believe it.

 

Its only gotten more pronounced under Jerrah.

Good.  They can keep having a crappy locker room culture and continue to be mediocre and living off their ghostly past victories and titles.

 

I don't understand the complaints about Milton Williams. Elite tester at a premium position in RD3. Went to a small-school, so there's legitimate upside for both technique improvements and mass gain (I expect no such jumps for Smith/Dickerson given they came from Alabama). Arm-length for a one-gap scheme also matters less for DTs. Even if you care about arm length, his wingspan is in the range so he still use a long-arm bull rush from the inside.

My biggest concern with Williams is whether he can play/hold up on run downs, not whether he'll be able to rush the passer at the NFL level.

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/milton-williams

28 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Lol

Hmmm... that sounds exactly like when the HC says that the OC's job is safe only to have him fired the very next day.  🤔

19 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

They didn't need to reach for DB.  They needed to reach around DB which is what he did.  In the 2nd and the 3rd round.  Once they got to the 4th, ehh....all the good DB's were gone.  They reached for an injured O Lineman (who wasn't slated to go that high in the 2nd).  And they reached for a Dlineman, who is another player in a long list as of late who might not have a true position.  

KC is awesome too.  I'm not a huge beef guy when it comes to BBQ.  I haven't even tried the weird mustard ish from SC.  I just can't.  

Not sure where you get your rankings.  Williams pretty much went where he was expected to go.  I would have stayed away from the risk associated with Dickerson, but I understand their thinking.

Their mustard sauce is like our scrapple.  Disgusting but tolerated locally.  Speaking of SC, when driving up from Florida, we stopped at a really nice restaurant in Florence called Red Bone Alley.  Had a great dish of shrimp and grits.

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

I have zero optimism that Newman is anything more than a PS QB who is out of the league in a year or two, I’m still happy we didn’t waste a late round pick on a QB. Keep throwing darts at other positions. 

I'm curious to see who they bring in for camp arms honestly.  Lots of WR's needing lots of work and Flacco is arguably the only QB on the roster with an NFL arm (who knows what it is at this point of his career).  Hurts needs the reps but you can't burn out his arm in TC.

5 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

Good.  They can keep having a crappy locker room culture and continue to be mediocre and living off their ghostly past victories and titles.

 

That's why I never worry about what they are doing.  They might win a game against the Eagles here and there, but they aren't relevant in the league and haven't been for a quarter century.   They are in Detroit Lions, New York Jets territory of playoff futility.   The only reason anyone worries about them is their franchise value.  They are irrelevant as a team/organization on the field of play.

4 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Not sure where you get your rankings.  Williams pretty much went where he was expected to go.  I would have stayed away from the risk associated with Dickerson, but I understand their thinking.

Their mustard sauce is like our scrapple.  Disgusting but tolerated locally.  Speaking of SC, when driving up from Florida, we stopped at a really nice restaurant in Florence called Red Bone Alley.  Had a great dish of shrimp and grits.

1 minute ago, Wentz_Era said:

I'm curious to see who they bring in for camp arms honestly.  Lots of WR's needing lots of work and Flacco is arguably the only QB on the roster with an NFL arm (who knows what it is at this point of his career).  Hurts needs the reps but you can't burn out his arm in TC.

I hear Doug Pederson is available.   Journeyman QB.  

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

BWF actually made a great point about hurts and the eagles decision to move or keep him as the QB in 2022. If they go 8-9 and he’s the 14-16th ranked QB is that enough? Cause some will say it’s not and others will say well it was his first full year starting so maybe he gets better with another year. To me you want him to either be really good (ideally) or really bad. If he’s really good you don’t need another QB. If he’s really bad the decision is made for you. You don’t really want something in the middle where he’s middle of the pack and just OK cause you basically are going to potentially find yourself stuck in purgatory and move the QB situation back another year til you can make a decision. If you are rebuilding toward 2023 and expecting that’s the year you are a playoff caliber contender you don’t want to go into the 2023 offseason potentially needing to find your QB 

That's astronomical progression for Hurts...that's what I want to see from him this year.  He is/was a massive project no matter which way you slice it.  He was every bit as bad if not worse than Wentz was last season.

15 minutes ago, RLC said:

I don't understand the complaints about Milton Williams. Elite tester at a premium position in RD3. Went to a small-school, so there's legitimate upside for both technique improvements and mass gain (I expect no such jumps for Smith/Dickerson given they came from Alabama). Arm-length for a one-gap scheme also matters less for DTs. Even if you care about arm length, his wingspan is in the range so he still use a long-arm bull rush from the inside.

My biggest concern with Williams is whether he can play/hold up on run downs, not whether he'll be able to rush the passer at the NFL level.

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/milton-williams

Yup, be interesting to see if he can put on a few more pounds but he wouldn't be the first smallish DT that's had questions whether he could hold up inside.

John randle started with the viking at around 240 they told him they wouldn't sign him if he didn't weigh more than 250 at his weigh in so he wore a heavy chain under his sweats and the vikings signed him😄

Maybe milton should play with a heavy chain In his pants, worked for Foles😉

1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Completely agree. If Hurts is pretty good or average then that's the worst case for this team. There will be enough excuses / reasons to justify keeping him and they probably win just enough games to be outside of the top 5/6 in the draft. So yeah they really need Hurts to be either really good or really bad so they can make a decision either way. 

It's pretty unrealistic to think he's going to progress to with-a-doubt franchise QB level play this year.  Average is certainly a great thing in terms of progression.  If his accuracy is anywhere above 62%, he starts trusting his arm to throw in between the hashes, and we see a couple more throws like his TD to Alshon then I'll be happy.  Him taking off and running a lot less would be awesome.