10 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Honestly didn’t even think of this. Makes sense but also wouldn’t it hinder the players?

It hurts the rookies and fringe players. Vets don’t need it. But the Vets have the clout and the rookies and fringe players aren’t going to go against them. 

27 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Indy should jump all over that. 

I wonder why he wasn’t traded

13 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Honestly didn’t even think of this. Makes sense but also wouldn’t it hinder the players?

Not the vets who are driving the agenda.

8 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Surprised he wasn't drafted.  I wonder if he would have competed with Daniels at UGA for the starting spot.  Hard to say.  Right now he's the 3.  Can run when he needs to.  Not a great thrower from what I hear.  I like our QB coach and I trust his input, which I am sure he knows Newman.  Now if we only had Tommy Kramer....

The good thing with Newman is that he can run a similar offense to the one that I envision Hurts running.  So if Hurts goes down, they wouldn't need to materially change the play book.

1 hour ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

This.

"You got your seventeenth game, we get a few more weeks off in the spring."

Pat kirwin on Sirius when this topic hit a couple weeks back said he had a few players and personnel men around the league saying this is more about the 17th game then the actual pandemic going on. So TIFWIW

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Vets need it too.  Especially vets who get soft tissue injuries all of the time.  There is no coincidence with that the injuries in the NFL started to sky rocket once the off season access was cut back.  

I would differentiate that the activities in the Spring hurt player development.

The reduction of "grass time" and contact at TC is contributing to the injury issues.

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It hurts the rookies and fringe players. Vets don’t need it. But the Vets have the clout and the rookies and fringe players aren’t going to go against them. 

In a normal year I'd agree but with a brand new coaching staff and so many unknowns and players who need to grow from year 1 to 2  I think it hurts a lot of the team

Davion Taylor, Shaun Bradley, K'Vonn Wallace, Jalen Reagor, John Hightower, Quez Watkins, Andre Dillard, Jordan Mailata, Hakeem Butler, Tyree Jackson, Jack Driscoll, Nate Herbig, Miles Sanders and every CB on the team would benefit from working out as a team.

 

 

7 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It hurts the rookies and fringe players. Vets don’t need it. But the Vets have the clout and the rookies and fringe players aren’t going to go against them. 

4 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Not the vets who are driving the agenda.

Even with a new HC and system?

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Vets need it too.  Especially vets who get soft tissue injuries all of the time.  There is no coincidence with that the injuries in the NFL started to sky rocket once the off season access was cut back.  

I’ll rephrase, Vets think they don’t need it. There’s benefits to everyone if they actually had the workouts.

15 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I just thought there were some other CB prospects that may have made sense at that spot. 

Probably so, but it would have meant a departure from the BPA on their board, or so I believe. It is clear, at least to me, that this rebuild is at minimum a two-year process, and probably three. To deviate from BPA for need would therefore be a mistake, especially for a Day Three CB, who, whoever he may be, can't be more than a marginal prospect.

Sucking in 2021, but sucking in the right way, is the way to go. Anything better than that is gravy and I think our offense could be pretty good.

I have zero optimism that Newman is anything more than a PS QB who is out of the league in a year or two, I’m still happy we didn’t waste a late round pick on a QB. Keep throwing darts at other positions. 

1 minute ago, justrelax said:

Probably so, but it would have meant a departure from the BPA on their board, or so I believe. It is clear, at least to me, that this rebuild is at minimum a two-year process, and probably three. To deviate from BPA for need would therefore be a mistake, especially for a Day Three CB, who, whoever he may be, can't be more than a marginal prospect.

Sucking in 2021, but sucking in the right way, is the way to go. Anything better than that is gravy and I think our offense could be pretty good.

I made the point during the draft you should be just drafting BPA this year. You aren’t building for 2021. You are building for 2023. That means you still have two more draft classes and free agent classes until you get to that team. Additionally by 2023 there’s a strong chance kelce, Cox, Graham, mcleod, Harris, Barnett, slay, brooks and lane are all gone or declining to the point where you need to find or replace them. So you have a ton of holes for 2023 if that’s the year you are planning on being a playoff contender. So just build up by drafting the best players available cause you need a lot for that team as it currently looks. Can add next two years via FA and draft so just take the best players on your board. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I made the point during the draft you should be just drafting BPA this year. You aren’t building for 2021. You are building for 2023. That means you still have two more draft classes and free agent classes until you get to that team. Additionally by 2023 there’s a strong chance kelce, Cox, Graham, mcleod, Harris, Barnett, slay, brooks and lane are all gone or declining to the point where you need to find or replace them. So you have a ton of holes for 2023 if that’s the year you are planning on being a playoff contender. So just build up by drafting the best players available cause you need a lot for that team as it currently looks. Can add next two years via FA and draft so just take the best players on your board. 

And that's absolutely the way they should build. Don't draft for need draft the BPA. Build up your strengths, accept that you are going to have weaknesses. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I made the point during the draft you should be just drafting BPA this year. You aren’t building for 2021. You are building for 2023. That means you still have two more draft classes and free agent classes until you get to that team. Additionally by 2023 there’s a strong chance kelce, Cox, Graham, mcleod, Harris, Barnett, slay, brooks and lane are all gone or declining to the point where you need to find or replace them. So you have a ton of holes for 2023 if that’s the year you are planning on being a playoff contender. So just build up by drafting the best players available cause you need a lot for that team as it currently looks. Can add next two years via FA and draft so just take the best players on your board. 

Well, I was sipping margaritas on the Riviera Maya or swimming with Dolphins so I missed your comments. Had I seen them I would have agreed with them.

Unless Hurts is so bad this season that he loses the #1 job to Flacco during the season, I don’t think any of the Eagles first round picks in 2022 will be used on a QB.  I see edge rusher, CB, and S as the likely picks.

Also, I still think Hurts and Jamie Newman are somehow related.

1 minute ago, justrelax said:

Well, I was sipping margaritas on the Riviera Maya or swimming with Dolphins so I missed your comments. Had I seen them I would have agreed with them.

 i was being let down by the Phillies so i rather have been sipping margaritas in the riviera maya lol

8 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

In a normal year I'd agree but with a brand new coaching staff and so many unknowns and players who need to grow from year 1 to 2  I think it hurts a lot of the team

Davion Taylor, Shaun Bradley, K'Vonn Wallace, Jalen Reagor, John Hightower, Quez Watkins, Andre Dillard, Jordan Mailata, Hakeem Butler, Tyree Jackson, Jack Driscoll, Nate Herbig, Miles Sanders and every CB on the team would benefit from working out as a team.

 

Yes but it affects every other team with a new staff the same way. It's like Doug/Lowie using the COVID excuse last year for the crappy performance of the team....every team had the same circumstances (understood that with a new staff this year we aren't the same as established teams missing out). It sucks, but it's not like the Eagles have been singled out. Just accept it, move on and try to better than the hand you've been dealt. 

Just now, Alphagrand said:

Unless Hurts is so bad this season that he loses the #1 job to Flacco during the season, I don’t think any of the Eagles first round picks in 2022 will be used on a QB.  I see edge rusher, CB, and S as the likely picks.

Also, I still think Hurts and Jamie Newman are somehow related.

I think if Hurts is bad then they have to go QB next year don't they? I mean with that much ammo they have a rare opportunity to be able to position themselves to get a QB.

Just now, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I think if Hurts is bad then they have to go QB next year don't they? I mean with that much ammo they have a rare opportunity to be able to position themselves to get a QB.

I think you build up the roster until it’s the QB holding the team back, rather than the other way around.  The Eagles still have a lot of roster holes to fill with Graham, Cox, Slay, and Johnson on the down side.

I think DEN were smart to draft Surtain over Fields and Jones, and it kept him away from the Turds.

7 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Even with a new HC and system?

I don't think they care, but just my opinion. There was the whole Cary Williams sconce fiasco with a new HC and system. Cox, Spoles, Peters would always skip including Doug's first year. It's one week of no contact drills, and they obviously feel virtual meetings are enough for them. All the time Sirianni can get on the field obviously helps the team in the long run, but it comes down to the players union pushing back against the league. 

1 minute ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I think if Hurts is bad then they have to go QB next year don't they? I mean with that much ammo they have a rare opportunity to be able to position themselves to get a QB.

BWF actually made a great point about hurts and the eagles decision to move or keep him as the QB in 2022. If they go 8-9 and he’s the 14-16th ranked QB is that enough? Cause some will say it’s not and others will say well it was his first full year starting so maybe he gets better with another year. To me you want him to either be really good (ideally) or really bad. If he’s really good you don’t need another QB. If he’s really bad the decision is made for you. You don’t really want something in the middle where he’s middle of the pack and just OK cause you basically are going to potentially find yourself stuck in purgatory and move the QB situation back another year til you can make a decision. If you are rebuilding toward 2023 and expecting that’s the year you are a playoff caliber contender you don’t want to go into the 2023 offseason potentially needing to find your QB 

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I think you build up the roster until it’s the QB holding the team back, rather than the other way around.  The Eagles still have a lot of roster holes to fill with Graham, Cox, Slay, and Johnson on the down side.

I think DEN were smart to draft Surtain over Fields and Jones, and it kept him away from the Turds.

I mean yeah I like that approach. Do what SF have done and then go get a QB to finish it off. But they have the resources next year that's the difficulty. 

3 hours ago, Rhinoddd50 said:

Speaking of Joe Douglas, I am watching closely to see if what he is doing pans out with the Jets.   

Douglas record here in Philly was not inspiring...but he goes to the Jets and I like most of his individual moves.   Why?    Is it simply a function of Douglas having higher draft picks to work with for the Jets?   Or was Douglas' thoroughly mediocre record in the Draft with the Eagles more evidence of the reported dysfunction between the Front Office and the Scouting Staff?    Were Howie's flaws / failures as a GM holding Joe Douglas back?

Too early to say just yet, but something I am curious about.

Although, I still have a hard time getting Joe Douglas' positive remarks about Donnell Pumphrey out of my head. 

Agreed on all points.  But, the early moves argument is a bit of a false narrative.   That only matters in the early pick from Round 1.  Everything else balances out.  At the end of Round 1, you have the option to pick the same guys that are available to the teams at the top of Round 2.  

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

BWF actually made a great point about hurts and the eagles decision to move or keep him as the QB in 2022. If they go 8-9 and he’s the 14-16th ranked QB is that enough? Cause some will say it’s not and others will say well it was his first full year starting so maybe he gets better with another year. To me you want him to either be really good (ideally) or really bad. If he’s really good you don’t need another QB. If he’s really bad the decision is made for you. You don’t really want something in the middle where he’s middle of the pack and just OK cause you basically are going to potentially find yourself stuck in purgatory and move the QB situation back another year til you can make a decision. If you are rebuilding toward 2023 and expecting that’s the year you are a playoff caliber contender you don’t want to go into the 2023 offseason potentially needing to find your QB 

Completely agree. If Hurts is pretty good or average then that's the worst case for this team. There will be enough excuses / reasons to justify keeping him and they probably win just enough games to be outside of the top 5/6 in the draft. So yeah they really need Hurts to be either really good or really bad so they can make a decision either way.