1 minute ago, austinfan said:

They celebrate b/c they're freakin' out b/c they don't know the guy they want will still be there, and they had to wait an hour and watch players they want go off the board.

Fans get excited and they have no skin in the game, for the pros, it must be agonizing - which explain Donahue, it's not that they went off the board, it's that he was in love with one player and they got another. Sorta like the jilted girl friend.

Robinson, like McPhearson, is projected to the slot and a question outside. Past the first round, I didn't see any sure things at CB, and nothing special at S.

 

"That’s been a big theme of this entire draft process with the new coaching staff. The Eagles wanted to make sure the scouts and coaching staff are working together to land players who fit the visions of their scheme creators. And as Sirianni watched Gainwell from 2019, he had to be thinking about Hines.

"When you're watching guys that are on your roster or you're watching guys with the draft, you're constantly doing that,” Sirianni said. "You're constantly saying how will I use this guy and how have we used this guy in the past. And so, when you watch a player on our roster or that we're getting ready to work with, those are things that are going through your mind."

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/eagles-kenneth-gainwell-nyheim-hines-colts-nick-sirianni-nfl-draft

Never got that kind of quote from Doug. I don't think he wasn't nearly as wired into the draft process as Sirianni. That's not surprising since he was a backup QB, and only a position coach for a few years before becoming an OC - so he was more focused on schemes and less on players. The OC takes the players as given, position coaches are more focused on developing players. There's something to be said for coaches who spend some time in the trenches. I suspect Doug's input was more in what he wanted than who he wanted - get me a deep threat, get me a power back.

Yup. We go crazy on a message board when we draft a player we really like. Imagine that happening when it’s your livelihood, and you’re sweating out every pick.

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Addendum: Most of them do it.

Fine OK yeah most do it. Doesn't mean it isn't dumb. 

 

7 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Fans get excited and they have no skin in the game, for the pros, it must be agonizing - which explain Donahue, it's not that they went off the board, it's that he was in love with one player and they got another. Sorta like the jilted girl friend.

This is kind of a point I was making earlier today.  How many of us on here watch college football and fall in love with guys?  Watch highlight tapes from the day the season ends if not all year round.  How many do countless mock drafts trying to build a draft they want?

We all fall in love with players and want them to be on the Eagles.  Then we watch the Eagles draft and for some, none of the players we like get drafted by the Eagles and we see teams we hate get players we love.  It's OK to have a negative attitude and get pissed off during the draft or get excited if they get a player you love.  

Once the draft is over and the emotions of it all are gone we can really sit down and look at the players and figure out what sort of impact they will have.

Just now, ManuManu said:

 

If that's true (no reason to believe it isn't) then it's encouraging because the FO are working with the new coaches. And if Gannon is being involved then he's no doubt told Howie who he'd like to bring in. Doesn't mean they'll bring that player in but you'd hope there is a good chance they will. 

34 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

My rankings?  Dickerson went early.  And the EAGLES reached around (traded down and ignored the head scout) and took a DT-DE without a true position instead of a Corner.    For the Eagles....he was a reach.  Dickerson was a flat out reach at #37.  

 

They never go chalk when it comes to BPA and need.  It's either a reach for Need.  Or a questionable BPA pick.  They have questions all over this draft.  AGAIN

Show me a draft that doesnt

15 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Wooooo.  Really big deviation there from D+ to C-.  

 

 

Terry Bradshaw is just happy someone got drafted from LA Tech.  And He's a moron.  So there's that.  

Fine, a flat out C

11 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Honest nfl ?

12 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

So now if the corners who went in that round 2 and 3 are actually good, is it Gannon's fault? 

47 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

  Nope never heard of that and don't make sense now.  When was the last time you've been to SC?  Just curious.  

A week ago Saturday, for a wedding.

The author of that quote was James L. Petigru of South Carolina, decrying the secession of the state from the Union in 1860. https://www.nps.gov/people/james-l-petigru.htm

2 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

BWF actually made a great point about hurts and the eagles decision to move or keep him as the QB in 2022. If they go 8-9 and he’s the 14-16th ranked QB is that enough? Cause some will say it’s not and others will say well it was his first full year starting so maybe he gets better with another year. To me you want him to either be really good (ideally) or really bad. If he’s really good you don’t need another QB. If he’s really bad the decision is made for you. You don’t really want something in the middle where he’s middle of the pack and just OK cause you basically are going to potentially find yourself stuck in purgatory and move the QB situation back another year til you can make a decision. If you are rebuilding toward 2023 and expecting that’s the year you are a playoff caliber contender you don’t want to go into the 2023 offseason potentially needing to find your QB 

I'd say it depends how he looks doing it.  If he makes big progress as a thrower from the pocket, that's one thing.  If he runs all over the place, looking like he did last season - some nice passes here and there but still not showing signs of being a true QB, that's something else entirely.

Unfortunately, I think it is going to be more eye test than stats with Hurts.  

8 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Honest nfl ?

Click on his bio. Also claims to have worked for the Eagles. 

18 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

If that's true (no reason to believe it isn't) then it's encouraging because the FO are working with the new coaches. And if Gannon is being involved then he's no doubt told Howie who he'd like to bring in. Doesn't mean they'll bring that player in but you'd hope there is a good chance they will. 

The real involvement is putting the draft board together, that's where you want Gannon explaining to the scouts why he likes (dislikes) a player, not just giving an opinion, but explaining his reasoning so scouts can look at film and understand what he's seeing. It probably helps that Gannon was a scout for two years, so he knows what scouts are looking at as well.

I think what probably drives scouts crazy are coaches who look at a limited sample of film then express a strong opinion in the war room after the board was put together, negating months of work. All that should have been hashed out weeks before the draft. Once in the room only one person should be making decisions and no one expressing an opinion - because the draft board should incorporate all those opinions.

23 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Robinson, like McPhearson, is projected to the slot and a question outside. Past the first round, I didn't see any sure things at CB, and nothing special at S.

Will have to agree to disagree on this assessment. Thought Moehrig at 37 was a slam dunk and BPA. Getting arguably the best cover safety in the draft in RD2 would have been a huge building block for the secondary going forward. Not to mention that his play would have taken pressure off the other lackluster CBs on the team not named Darius Slay. Even Richie Grant, while not as 'special' as Moehrig, would have been good value in RD2.

 

48 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Not sure where you get your rankings.  Williams pretty much went where he was expected to go.  I would have stayed away from the risk associated with Dickerson, but I understand their thinking.

Their mustard sauce is like our scrapple.  Disgusting but tolerated locally.  Speaking of SC, when driving up from Florida, we stopped at a really nice restaurant in Florence called Red Bone Alley.  Had a great dish of shrimp and grits.

Rankings of BBQ sauces for pulled pork:

1.Vinegar Based Eastern Style 

2.Tomato Based Western Style

3. Any other style of BBQ sauce you can buy in a store.

4. Ketchup

5. Nothing

6. SC mustard based sauce

22 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

This is kind of a point I was making earlier today.  How many of us on here watch college football and fall in love with guys?  Watch highlight tapes from the day the season ends if not all year round.  How many do countless mock drafts trying to build a draft they want?

We all fall in love with players and want them to be on the Eagles.  Then we watch the Eagles draft and for some, none of the players we like get drafted by the Eagles and we see teams we hate get players we love.  It's OK to have a negative attitude and get pissed off during the draft or get excited if they get a player you love.  

Once the draft is over and the emotions of it all are gone we can really sit down and look at the players and figure out what sort of impact they will have.

Absolutely right. Even those, like Beast, who devour college games don't watch a fraction of what these scouts do Their days are 8-10 hours of film, plus calls and conversations with literally hundreds of people, and that's during Covid. We watch cut-ups for the most part. Even when watching Alabama live, I only watched Dickerson closely for maybe 20-30 plays in a game, and usually less.

6 minutes ago, purplefiggy said:

I'd say it depends how he looks doing it.  If he makes big progress as a thrower from the pocket, that's one thing.  If he runs all over the place, looking like he did last season - some nice passes here and there but still not showing signs of being a true QB, that's something else entirely.

Unfortunately, I think it is going to be more eye test than stats with Hurts.  

Yep. He's a hard worker who try to continue to improve, the question is whether he can process fast enough to go through options in the heat of battle, and only one way to find out.

McNabb ran an option offense at Syracuse where he only looked at half the field, yet in two years AR had him going through progressions and not just taking off.

So what I'm looking for from Hurts as a "rookie" (last year's development was truncated both by COVID and not getting reps with the 1s) is improvement, if he's in the top 20 this season, he deserves another year to show continued improvement as a passer.

I don't see the urgency to trade up to the top 3 anymore, colleges are producing more QBs each year as the passing game predominates and more kids get trained in HS, whereas Westlake HS might have been an outlier 10-20 years ago, HS coaches pass far more, so kids are more developed coming into college (and attend summer passing camps/leagues as well), and far more colleges rely on the pass. The bigger problem now is the predominance of RPOs and spread offenses in college - which makes it harder to judge college QBs off film - but also means that it's quite possible than Fields or Jones is the best QB in this class ten years from now, similar to Mahomes and Watson.

13 minutes ago, justrelax said:

A week ago Saturday, for a wedding.

The author of that quote was James L. Petigru of South Carolina, decrying the secession of the state from the Union in 1860. https://www.nps.gov/people/james-l-petigru.htm

Never challenge JR when it comes to the Civil War. I'm probably a year of reading behind him!

6 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Rankings of BBQ sauces for pulled pork:

1.Vinegar Based Eastern Style 

2.Tomato Based Western Style

3. Any other style of BBQ sauce you can buy in a store.

4. Ketchup

5. Nothing

6. SC mustard based sauce

Pork ain't BBQ, just sayin'

10 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

So he probably would have loved to keep Mills.

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

Never challenge JR when it comes to the Civil War. I'm probably a year of reading behind him!

I'm slowing down. More into the two World Wars these days. Ashamed to say, I'm finally reading The Guns of August about 40 years later than I should have. Also researching what may be a book on the Red Ball Express.

And I highly recommend Ian W. Toll's Pacific War trilogy. https://www.goodreads.com/series/159526-the-pacific-war-trilogy

The amount of petty bishing in here is pathetic. Bunch of school girls crying over Rachel’s body language.

Was Chrisman picked up? We could use a punter, no?

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

 

I like his wiggle, I like his tenacity in pass pro.  His quote about his mindset in pass pro is what we need more of across the roster.