1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Doesn't really matter to the Eagles, they aren't projected to get a comp pick anyway.

It doesn't really matter to the Eagles because they can't afford any of them:-)

14 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

There's not much competition. 

Birds keep what 5-6 WRs?

Smith

Reagor

Fulgham

Hightower

Watkins

And then you still have Ward. I don't think JJAW will make it.

Don't see how Grimes makes it to the 53.

5 hours ago, Rhinoddd50 said:

Speaking of Joe Douglas, I am watching closely to see if what he is doing pans out with the Jets.   

Douglas record here in Philly was not inspiring...but he goes to the Jets and I like most of his individual moves.   Why?    Is it simply a function of Douglas having higher draft picks to work with for the Jets?   Or was Douglas' thoroughly mediocre record in the Draft with the Eagles more evidence of the reported dysfunction between the Front Office and the Scouting Staff?    Were Howie's flaws / failures as a GM holding Joe Douglas back?

Too early to say just yet, but something I am curious about.

Although, I still have a hard time getting Joe Douglas' positive remarks about Donnell Pumphrey out of my head. 

What’s interesting is that after Douglas left, both he AND Howie both drafted different types of players. While Douglas was here we seemed to focus on college production. After he left, both he and Howie seemed to put more emphasis on athleticism.

Douglas’ history would suggest he had more emphasis on production while Howie seems more likely to put a premium on athleticism and analytics.

Not sure what that tells us, if anything, but it’s odd that both adopted a new style.

6 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

Birds keep what 5-6 WRs?

Smith

Reagor

Fulgham

Hightower

Watkins

And then you still have Ward. I don't think JJAW will make it.

Don't see how Grimes makes it to the 53.

6 usually.

5 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

Birds keep what 5-6 WRs?

Smith

Reagor

Fulgham

Hightower

Watkins

And then you still have Ward. I don't think JJAW will make it.

Don't see how Grimes makes it to the 53.

Smith/Reagor/Ward/Fulgham are locks.

Watkins and JJAW battle it out for 5 + 6 if they keep six. 

Hightower and Grimes are about as made for the practice squad as you can get. 

Good thing we didn’t draft that guy. 

18 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

It's pretty unrealistic to think he's going to progress to with-a-doubt franchise QB level play this year.  Average is certainly a great thing in terms of progression.  If his accuracy is anywhere above 62%, he starts trusting his arm to throw in between the hashes, and we see a couple more throws like his TD to Alshon then I'll be happy.  Him taking off and running a lot less would be awesome.

I'm not saying he needs to be elite but if he's average then that's not good for the Eagles. It'll give them enough wins (probably) that they aren't in the top 5 and there will be a real divide in how people feel about Hurts. 

43 minutes ago, RLC said:

I don't understand the complaints about Milton Williams. Elite tester at a premium position in RD3. Went to a small-school, so there's legitimate upside for both technique improvements and mass gain (I expect no such jumps for Smith/Dickerson given they came from Alabama). Arm-length for a one-gap scheme also matters less for DTs. Even if you care about arm length, his wingspan is in the range so he still use a long-arm bull rush from the inside.

My biggest concern with Williams is whether he can play/hold up on run downs, not whether he'll be able to rush the passer at the NFL level.

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/milton-williams

After Devonta Smith he's my favorite pick of this class. Dude has huge upside. If nothing else he should be a really good 3rd DT who can come in on passing downs and get some pass rush and sacks.

7 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I'm not saying he needs to be elite but if he's average then that's not good for the Eagles. It'll give them enough wins (probably) that they aren't in the top 5 and there will be a real divide in how people feel about Hurts. 

Inevitable, sadly

We had the Wentz Washers last season; this season will be the Hurts Hurdlers 

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

BWF actually made a great point about hurts and the eagles decision to move or keep him as the QB in 2022. If they go 8-9 and he’s the 14-16th ranked QB is that enough? Cause some will say it’s not and others will say well it was his first full year starting so maybe he gets better with another year. To me you want him to either be really good (ideally) or really bad. If he’s really good you don’t need another QB. If he’s really bad the decision is made for you. You don’t really want something in the middle where he’s middle of the pack and just OK cause you basically are going to potentially find yourself stuck in purgatory and move the QB situation back another year til you can make a decision. If you are rebuilding toward 2023 and expecting that’s the year you are a playoff caliber contender you don’t want to go into the 2023 offseason potentially needing to find your QB 

I actually don’t think it’s still a tough decision. It would still largely ride on whether or not they think Hurts can get better vs what they think of the 22 QB class. If they don’t absolutely love a QB next year, then I’d still roll with Hurts for another year and use those picks to still build the team. 

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

My rankings?  Dickerson went early.  And the EAGLES reached around (traded down and ignored the head scout) and took a DT-DE without a true position instead of a Corner.    For the Eagles....he was a reach.  Dickerson was a flat out reach at #37.  

But what corner would you have taken in the third?

 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

 

I know it probably happens in every draft room around the league but this celebrating the pick thing doesn't sit well with me. Not for an FO that has drafted so badly! Be more understated.

1 minute ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I know it probably happens in every draft room around the league but this celebrating the pick thing doesn't sit well with me. Not for an FO that has drafted so badly! Be more understated.

I don't know about you but it was cringeworthy every time they showed Howie slow jogging around the room fist bumping guys who look like they literally want nothing to do with him.  It reeks of a guy playing it up for the cameras.

 

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I don't know about you but it was cringeworthy every time they showed Howie slow jogging around the room fist bumping guys who look like they literally want nothing to do with him.  It reeks of a guy playing it up for the cameras.

 

It just looks dumb. Everyone knows he's not been very good in the draft and right now this organization is not in a good place. To be going around fist bumping just looks dumb. 

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

The over exuberance by a lot of the draft rooms I saw was borderline cringe worth.  Detroit was ridiculous when they made their 1st round pick.  Watching 5 foot tall bean counters going around the room looking for fists to bump in their sports coats was really bad.  Tom Donohue is my hero.  

 

I wonder if Howie wanted Smith because he can bro hug him and not get dwarfed.  

Agreed. I mean look I kind of get it... You spend years scouting these guys and then you finally land one. It may be a guy you absolutely love and think is just incredible and is going to be a stud. But here's the thing... You don't know that they are going to be and so celebrating just isn't a good look. 

1 minute ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Agreed. I mean look I kind of get it... You spend years scouting these guys and then you finally land one. It may be a guy you absolutely love and think is just incredible and is going to be a stud. But here's the thing... You don't know that they are going to be and so celebrating just isn't a good look. 

They all do it. Who cares?

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

They all do it. Who cares?

They don't all do it. The Pats draft room was rather mixed with the Mac Jones pick. I mean look be happy you got your guy but do you need to run around fist bumping? Or whooping like the Detroit GM?

58 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

That's astronomical progression for Hurts...that's what I want to see from him this year.  He is/was a massive project no matter which way you slice it.  He was every bit as bad if not worse than Wentz was last season.

 

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

My issue with Hurts is his style.  Great athlete, great attitude, great competitor, champion...every single negative from everyone who has seen him play involves PASSING.

As Bruce Arians said: we don't draft our QB's to run, we draft them to throw.  

So even if Hurts beats expectations, I don't ever see a path for him to become a top-end passer.  

In 4 years, we have invested 2 first round picks (Reagor/Smith), 2 second around picks (Goedert/JJAW), 1 third round pick (Tate), 1 4th round pick (Hollins), 2 5th round picks (Gibson/Hightower), 1 6th round pick (Watkins), 6/7th round picks (Desean) and a couple big FA deals (Alshon/Desean) in pass catchers.  We also have 2 RBs who particularly emphasize and excel in the passing game.

Did we seriously dump that ENORMOUS investment in the receiving end of the passing game just to have the distributor be a crude running QB?

See this is why they were talking about. One thinks it’s a great improvement to go back to him for 2022. Meanwhile one even if he does that he wouldn’t be a top passer so he wouldn’t. That was exactly the discussion they were having is you are going to have a split unless he is great or bad. 

37 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Good thing we didn’t draft that guy. 

Not Isaiah Wilson bad, but sheesh it's been like 2 days

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yeah.  That video seemed to be a little over done when they drafted Gainwell.  Kind of like they were playing up to the cameras after the debacle Friday night.  

They probably were to be honest. I just don't think it's a good look. Ultimately it doesn't matter I guess but it doesn't look good in my opinion. 

Just now, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

They don't all do it. The Pats draft room was rather mixed with the Mac Jones pick. I mean look be happy you got your guy but do you need to run around fist bumping? Or whooping like the Detroit GM?

Remember the Vikings draft room when they got Jefferson? I have no problem with showing enthusiasm. Pats don't do it, but there's more than one way to do things. What I don't like is Howie trying to get a fist bump out of a guy who is clearly irritated. Just shows poor judgment. Not reading the room. 

Just now, shlo said:

Remember the Vikings draft room when they got Jefferson? I have no problem with showing enthusiasm. Pats don't do it, but there's more than one way to do things. What I don't like is Howie trying to get a fist bump out of a guy who is clearly irritated. Just shows poor judgment. Not reading the room. 

And also... Its Howie's face when he realises Donohoe isn't happy. He doesn't understand why he isn't happy. Why does he have to be happy that you just drafted a guy that actually wasn't the one he wanted?

2 hours ago, downundermike said:

I think D+  is a little harsh, but that's debatable. I think C- is a little more fair because Milton was rising up the boards leading up to the draft. But I still would have went a different direction as well. There was quite a few players there at 70 or 73.

Paulson Adebo, Baron Browning, Melifonwu, Patrick Jones, Dyami Brown (could have a nice compliment to Smith), St. Juste, Surratt

As i'm writing this Terry Bradshaw loves Milton in case anyone cares 

4 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

They don't all do it. The Pats draft room was rather mixed with the Mac Jones pick. I mean look be happy you got your guy but do you need to run around fist bumping? Or whooping like the Detroit GM?

Addendum: Most of them do it.

They celebrate b/c they're freakin' out b/c they don't know the guy they want will still be there, and they had to wait an hour and watch players they want go off the board.

Fans get excited and they have no skin in the game, for the pros, it must be agonizing - which explain Donahue, it's not that they went off the board, it's that he was in love with one player and they got another. Sorta like the jilted girl friend.

Robinson, like McPhearson, is projected to the slot and a question outside. Past the first round, I didn't see any sure things at CB, and nothing special at S.

 

"That’s been a big theme of this entire draft process with the new coaching staff. The Eagles wanted to make sure the scouts and coaching staff are working together to land players who fit the visions of their scheme creators. And as Sirianni watched Gainwell from 2019, he had to be thinking about Hines.

"When you're watching guys that are on your roster or you're watching guys with the draft, you're constantly doing that,” Sirianni said. "You're constantly saying how will I use this guy and how have we used this guy in the past. And so, when you watch a player on our roster or that we're getting ready to work with, those are things that are going through your mind."

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/eagles-kenneth-gainwell-nyheim-hines-colts-nick-sirianni-nfl-draft

Never got that kind of quote from Doug. I don't think he wasn't nearly as wired into the draft process as Sirianni. That's not surprising since he was a backup QB, and only a position coach for a few years before becoming an OC - so he was more focused on schemes and less on players. The OC takes the players as given, position coaches are more focused on developing players. There's something to be said for coaches who spend some time in the trenches. I suspect Doug's input was more in what he wanted than who he wanted - get me a deep threat, get me a power back.