6 minutes ago, greend said:

I hope we get Watson just so some people have to reverse their position on him

At least you know I’m as stubborn as they come.  

1 hour ago, greend said:

Because he's good and I think the lawsuits  are bogus

If it were a few cases the league would just sweep it under the rug and Watson would pay them off so as to not go public with charges.

I think it's up to 22 cases now of misconduct or harrassment with 2 accusing Watson of sexual assault.

Then again with out video evidence the league isn't going to do anything, they never disciplined Rothlisberger after he paid off what 3 accusers of rape.

She said he said cases are difficult to prove and it's why most sexual assault s are never even reported as the victims end up taking the brunt of the shade.

I'm not going to paint Watson as a victim of some kind of scheme of over 22 women who don't know each other out to get his money, I can't definitively say he did what he's being accused of and I'm not going to frame the victims as lying gold diggers and I can say pretty confidently that the league most likely won't do jack and best outcome for the league and Watson is that he pays them off to make it go away and the league continues to market and make money off him.

The league gave ray rice a slap on the wrist for knocking out his wife on camera and then didn't suspended him til further notice following public pressure and scrutiny.

I doubt they'll do anything to Watson either way I wouldn't want any part of him and I hope the eagles dont either 

One could argue they took a chance on Vick and he did some horrible things, difference is Vick was held accountable and paid his dues and attempted to make amends, Watson has not.

 

 

23 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Watson has great counting stats, but something is missing.

2020:  12th in QBR

2019:  7th in QBR

2018:  15th in QBR

I like QBR much better than QB rating, because you can put up nice stats by holding the ball too long and taking needless sacks (i.e., you'll complete more passes for more yards per attempt, b/c sacks aren't included in attempts). Given he has an all pro LT the last two years, and a number of other high draft picks on that OL, the high sack rate is more on him than his OL.

Watson isn't an elite QB:

Mahomes, ranking 1, 2, 5

Brees, 2, 3, 6

Jackson 22, 1, 7 (not much of a QB, but makes things happen)

Brady 6, 17, 9

Wilson 11, 5, 8

 

Rodgers, 17, 20, 1

Ryan, 9, 14, 16

Ben 4, ---, 22

 

Allen 25, 25, 3

Dak 18, 4, ---

Wentz, 12, 11, 28

Carr 28, 10, 11

Cousins, 15, 13, 18

Stafford 23, 6, 15

Goff 10, 23, 23

Jones ---, 18, 20

Trubisky, 3, 30, 21

Darnold, 29, 26, 33

 

Dalton 16, 29, 25

Newton 20, ---, 30

Winston 8, 16, ---

Flacco, 19, 22, ---

Rivers 7, 24, 19

 

Idk couldn’t possibly be his OL has been bad for most of his 4 years as a starter. I know you believe opposite but pff on Watson’s offensive line last year ranked 23rd. In 2019 were 20th and 2018 23rd. 

his oline this year 

tunsil— 75.4

Scharping— 52.1/semi kelemete 54.5

Martin—56.1

Fulton—63

Howard— 62.1

That line was bad last year besides tunsil. Yet he had wentz mvp-esque season like numbers. Maybe his QBR isn’t as good cause his line for most of his career has been below average and bottom 10 in two of the last 3 years. just cause you spent picks on olineman doesn’t mean there good. Howard was a 62 last year which is below average starter grade. 

This is ideal IMO.

Good enough to not get Carson killed. Not good enough to make them SB contenders.

19 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Watson has great counting stats, but something is missing.

2020:  12th in QBR

2019:  7th in QBR

2018:  15th in QBR

I like QBR much better than QB rating, because you can put up nice stats by holding the ball too long and taking needless sacks (i.e., you'll complete more passes for more yards per attempt, b/c sacks aren't included in attempts). Given he has an all pro LT the last two years, and a number of other high draft picks on that OL, the high sack rate is more on him than his OL.

Watson isn't an elite QB:

Rodgers, 17, 20, 1

So by your rational, Aaron Rodgers is not an elite QB.  Remember, you said QBR is much better, and he outranked Aaron Rodgers in two of the last 3 seasons on a horribly mismanaged, dysfunctional team.

6 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I’d rather keep the picks than trade for Watson

 

Also....he’d have to want to come here lol

I’d rather keep the picks ideally if hurts proves to be a good QB. However if the eagles wind up not being goo and finishing 6-11 or 7-10 and finishing 7-8th in the draft i much rather use the picks to trade for watson then move up in the draft to get an unproven rookie then a proven top 10 (assuming his legal issues clear up)

second part i think is the more challenging part cause likely have suitors like the Broncos, raiders, panthers and possibly giants to compete with and he could say he rather go there and not want to come here.  

1 minute ago, RLC said:

This is ideal IMO.

Good enough to not get Carson killed. Not good enough to make them SB contenders.

Better question is will Fischer even be ready by week 1. He got injured in the afc title game. 

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

So by your rational, Aaron Rodgers is not an elite QB.  Remember, you said QBR is much better, and he outranked Aaron Rodgers in two of the last 3 seasons on a horribly mismanaged, dysfunctional team.

Rodgers believes his team is also horribly mismanaged and dysfunctional so if rodgers is making this argument it’s moot lol. 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Rodgers believes his team is also horribly mismanaged and dysfunctional so if rodgers is making this argument it’s moot lol. 

Lol I think they're both right!

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

whats the excuse Eagle fans use when Wentz is successful. 

Likely he didn’t want to be here anymore so it doesn’t matter. 

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

whats the excuse Eagle fans use when Wentz is successful. 

What is successful? I expect Wentz to be around 10th or so among starting QBs, good but not elite. Basically what he was in 2018-2019.

28 minutes ago, greend said:

Need them and then waste them

That's the other side of it of the risk.  With Howie, you never know what he will do to screw it up.

4 minutes ago, austinfan said:

What is successful? I expect Wentz to be around 10th or so among starting QBs, good but not elite. Basically what he was in 2018-2019.

Why would he be the post Frank Reich version when he is back with Reich ??

Newman was on his way to being a drafted QB a cpl years ago , he made some poor decisions 

 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Likely he didn’t want to be here anymore so it doesn’t matter. 

People will lose their damn minds if he puts up MVP numbers

4 minutes ago, austinfan said:

What is successful? I expect Wentz to be around 10th or so among starting QBs, good but not elite. Basically what he was in 2018-2019.

The problem is that Hurts will likely be in the 20 to 25 range.  Not good or elite.

1 minute ago, Original Sin said:

Newman was on his way to being a drafted QB a cpl years ago , he made some poor decisions 

 

Best part of that was the homeless man’s Alex smith lol

1 minute ago, thedanone82 said:

People will lose their damn minds if he puts up MVP numbers

That will be TATErgeddon!   

22 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

@austinfan I think you could admit that "elite QB" is a superfluous definition. Everybody will have different standards of what that means, and how "their guy" fits or doesn't fit into it. QBR is better than QB rating, but both still have inherent flaws. I think a better way of looking at things is comparatively to other QBs. Are there 9 QBs you'd rather have right now (not taking into account off field issues for the sake of discussion) than Watson? 

Top ten is not elite, in fact I'd say guys like Dak, Watson, Wentz (before last season) are pretty fungible. That is, they'll put up good numbers, win with good teams, struggle to carry bad teams.

Elite are the top 3-5 who can carry teams, Watson puts up great counting numbers (partially b/c he holds the ball too long instead of throwing it away, which inflates stats but hurts your team), but Dak has been just as good. You don't ransom your future for QBs like Watson, you build around them and hope the team is good enough for them to be the difference, but he isn't prime time Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Peyton, et al. You gamble on "elite", you wait for "good" to fall into your lap.

1 minute ago, thedanone82 said:

People will lose their damn minds if he puts up MVP numbers

That would honestly be the worst case scenario along with hurts not being the guy. If that happened you would not hear the end of it in Philadelphia for years. Especially if Hurts doesn’t pan out and the eagles continue searching for a franchise QB and come up small. Frankly if that happens I believe even more so that if Deshaun Watson has his name cleared that they are going to go all out for watson (not that he’d want to be here after seeing wentz leave and thrived meanwhile yearned to get the hell out of here)

that said i don’t think he plays at that level. Do see top 12 if he stays healthy and gets his head back on straight. 

6 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Newman was on his way to being a drafted QB a cpl years ago , he made some poor decisions 

If Newman shows anything, Flacco has a very tradable contract. He has a 1M base salary so it's easily absorbed by other teams. Moreover, some QB will go down making Flacco a reasonable trade target.

1 minute ago, RLC said:

If Newman shows anything, Flacco has a very tradable contract. He has a 1M base salary so it's easily absorbed by other teams. Moreover, some QB will go down making Flacco a reasonable trade target.

Doubt the team will purge the backup QB for a UDFA that showed "anything".

4 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

The problem is that Hurts will likely be in the 20 to 25 range.  Not good or elite.

Let's wait and see. Hurts is an elite runner, he doesn't have the breakaway speed of some running QBs, but he's built like a RB with RB open field moves (elusive and powerful).

So he doesn't have to be a great pocket QB, if he's merely "good" he'll be a top ten QB.

The key with top running QBs is playing QB well enough to make their ability to run an extra weapon, but not one defenses can key on. Reason I hate the RPO is that it encourages young running QBs to focus on the run, when they should be reined in and forced to learn how to play in the pocket, then expand their game.

Johnson developed both Dak and Trask, so he knows how to work with different styles of QB, we'll see what he can do with Hurts and Newman.

And Sirianni comes from the Reich school of balanced offense, using the run game, using RBs as receivers for easy completions against defenses that drop deep, using the whole field to scheme receivers open at different levels. That's a much better approach than Doug's 2020 offense, based on speed to attack cover 3. It should give Hurts a lot of quick, easy throws.

16 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

whats the excuse Eagle fans use when Wentz is successful. 

 

11 minutes ago, thedanone82 said:

People will lose their damn minds if he puts up MVP numbers

The same people that wanted him gone.

10 minutes ago, thedanone82 said:

People will lose their damn minds if he puts up MVP numbers

Behind a healthy OL with better targets?  It wouldn't be any different from 2017.