6 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Then you deduct the rookies this year, if they all make the team, 20.6 million minus 13 million is 7 million.

This is where your math goes awry. They will spend the money for the draft picks, but they will also subtract money from guys who won't make the 53. You are counting only the signings, not the money they will save from the players who will get cut.

That 7 million is with 49 players under contract.  They will get some money back with Ertz being traded ( maybe )

Again, your math is off. It will be closer to double this amount.

Yes, guys will not make the roster, but those players have 850 k salaries.  So you save the league minimum for each of these players.  Are they going to be replaced by other league minimum salary players, or are the being replaced by players with a higher cap hit ??

Please explain to me how we will have double the 7 million in cap room with 49 players under contract.

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Fort was up and coming with Pittsburgh (a team that has tremendous success with LB) then comes here and he can't get on the field so he gets cut.  Fort then signs with the Ravens (another team with tremendous success with LB) and becomes a starting LB earning himself a contract extension.

The Eagles coaches deserve tons of blame but Howie deserves just as much heat.  Is he just signing guys who don't fit here?  Is he drafting guys he wants and not the coaches?  That seems to be an ongoing problem with Howie.  

Maybe Gannon and his crew can turn trash in to treasure with the current group of LB.  Wilson and Singleton should be decent starters but I don't view them as long term solutions.

You're making some assumptions here. How do you know the coaches didn't go to Howie and say hey we like this kid, let's bring him and see if he fits? So Howie does, Fort doesn't end up fitting for whatever reason, so Howie ends up getting a 4th for him in a comp pick. 

Maybe Howie and the scouts had a list of LB's they liked and consulted the coaches on it. Again, maybe the coaches saw something they liked and asked to bring him in. You just don't know.

But it seems more plausible to me than Howie just signing random players (and Fort was a relative nobody at the time) just for craps and giggles. 

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Yes, guys will not make the roster, but those players have 850 k salaries.  So you save the league minimum for each of these players.  Are they going to be replaced by other league minimum salary players, or are the being replaced by players with a higher cap hit ?

The problem is that you never deducted this amount. If 10 guys making the league minimum get cut, that's $8 million in savings. You have never accounted for that in your math.

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

 Boat House Row.  And I agree.  They’re awful.  

It’s the only part of Philly that isn’t ugly, might as well broadcast it.  

 

 

 

15 hours ago, austinfan said:

LBs tend to be scheme specific

Explain the below in regards to LJ Fort.  If LB's tend to be scheme specific, and LJ Fort played very will in Pittsburgh and Baltimore, why did he not work out in Philly ??

 

5 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Fort was up and coming with Pittsburgh (a team that has tremendous success with LB) then comes here and he can't get on the field so he gets cut.  Fort then signs with the Ravens (another team with tremendous success with LB) and becomes a starting LB earning himself a contract extension.

The Eagles coaches deserve tons of blame but Howie deserves just as much heat.  Is he just signing guys who don't fit here?  Is he drafting guys he wants and not the coaches?  That seems to be an ongoing problem with Howie.

 

2 hours ago, bpac55 said:

That's interesting.  I keep going back to the punt return against the Packers and how strange it was that he didn't look really quick or fast despite no one catching him.  He looked heavy IMO.  He looked much more joystick quick at TCU than what he showed his rookie year.  Looks like he was 205ish heading in to last year.   Dropping 10-15 pounds is a big deal even if it is muscle. 

Go watch the blown coverage catch he had against the Saints. Running in slow motion.

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Explain the below in regards to LJ Fort.  If LB's tend to be scheme specific, and LJ Fort played very will in Pittsburgh and Baltimore, why did he not work out in Philly ??

 

 

Schwartz

51 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

I was wrong? You admitted that RFAs almost never cost a lot of money, which was the point of you entire post - that the team would have to spend a lot of money signing free agents because they had so few players under contract. So not only did failing to include RFAs, which include Herbig, Edwards, Fulgham, Scott, Ward and Singleton, ruin your narrative, you also didn't include exclusive rights free agents or draft picks from this year or last year.

Face it, your post was garbage. You looked at overthecap and freaked out, and I had to explain to you why you were completely wrong. Take the loss like a man.  

Good luck.

12 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

The problem is that you never deducted this amount. If 10 guys making the league minimum get cut, that's $8 million in savings. You have never accounted for that in your math.

And you don't seem to be accounting for bodies on the roster.  So you have 15 million in cap space with 39 players under contract if you deduct 10 league minimum contracts, and still, if the Eagles get and use all 3 first round picks, they will have a cap hit of 10 million.  So you then have 5 million in cap space with 42 players under contract.  You seeing the problem yet.

5 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Schwartz

Did he not fit Schwartz scheme ??

43 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I got you @Iggles_Phan.

Fact, Eagles currently have 20.6 million in 2022 cap space, if the NFL sets the cap at the 208 million ceiling.

Then you deduct the rookies this year, if they all make the team, 20.6 million minus 13 million is 7 million.

That 7 million is with 49 players under contract.  They will get some money back with Ertz being traded ( maybe )

You then have to figure in if they get a 1 from the Colts, and use all three first round picks, it is over 10 million just to sign the 3 first rounders in 2022.

No need.  He's the expert.  Pointing out where his "facts" are flat out false doesn't matter. 

Pro: Howie is good at hiring lots of talented people with diverse skill sets.
Con: Howie is bad at integrating all of this expertise. 

5 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Explain the below in regards to LJ Fort.  If LB's tend to be scheme specific, and LJ Fort played very will in Pittsburgh and Baltimore, why did he not work out in Philly ??

 

 

Howie is more concerned about the value and the dollar terms when acquiring players.  His tendency of signing and drafting players with some issues (injury and/or scheme-fit) shows what is important to him.  

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

So now we have a 32 year old female as VP of Football OPs.  That should work out well.  

Probably more manly than the GM though.

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

So now we have a 32 year old female as VP of Football OPs.  That should work out well.  

You're part of the problem.

3 minutes ago, RLC said:

Pro: Howie is good at hiring lots of talented people with diverse skill sets.
Con: Howie is bad at integrated all of this expertise. 

Wait, Afan has already proved that Roseman is the consummate consensus builder. He posted numerous lists of names as evidence.

6 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

So now we have a 32 year old female as VP of Football OPs.  That should work out well.  

I'm sure her only qualification is to bring to light all the misogynists among us.

11 minutes ago, downundermike said:

And you don't seem to be accounting for bodies on the roster.

Um, this is nonsense. I am the only one accounting for bodies on the roster.

  So you have 15 million in cap space with 39 players under contract

This is a nonsense number. You are projecting a number for next year that could be way different.

if you deduct 10 league minimum contracts, and still, if the Eagles get and use all 3 first round picks, they will have a cap hit of 10 million.

You have no idea what the draft class will cost next year. You are guessing. If we draft 1, 2 and 3, that will cost much more than 29, 30 and 31.

So you then have 5 million in cap space with 42 players under contract. You seeing the problem yet.

Yes, I see the problem. You are pulling numbers out of your rear end and trying to make an argument based on them. But it's nonsense. 

 

19 minutes ago, RLC said:

You're part of the problem.

I’ll always be part of the problem when a token is hired over the best candidate. There are many like me :)

13 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

What problem is that?   To expect someone in a key position of the front office to have experience and maybe have had at least played the game?   Awww.  You’re offended because I don’t think a 32 year old woman is the right fit for a VP of Football OPS in the NFL?  The problem is this team is going down the toilet.  How have I contributed to that problem?  

Tell em 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Howie is like...

 

Probably should call up vanilla ice then cause 

9 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yeah.  But can she do a V lookup on excel as good as Howie?

Is this hashtaging? 😁

14 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

  So you have 15 million in cap space with 39 players under contract

This is a nonsense number. You are projecting a number for next year that could be way different.

if you deduct 10 league minimum contracts, and still, if the Eagles get and use all 3 first round picks, they will have a cap hit of 10 million.

You have no idea what the draft class will cost next year. You are guessing. If we draft 1, 2 and 3, that will cost much more than 29, 30 and 31.

So you then have 5 million in cap space with 42 players under contract. You seeing the problem yet.

Yes, I see the problem. You are pulling numbers out of your rear end and trying to make an argument based on them. But it's nonsense. 

I am projecting that number with facts to back it up, you are just saying its wrong with no context.

I based my first round pick calculation on having pick 6, 19 and 24.  Gives a good average.  

I am not pulling numbers out of my rear.  I took the Eagles current cap space, then applied the second year numbers that are established for the players and where they were drafted.  Here is a link to those numbers.

https://overthecap.com/draft/

Here is the contract numbers for draft picks I put in a nice easy spreadsheet to see the first 3 year cap hits.

 

Now my challenge to you, instead of parroting that I am wrong with no data, provide me some numbers that back up your point.  Give me data to challenge the following facts.

1.  Eagles currently have 20.6 million in 2022 cap space, with 42 players under contract.

2.  If all 9 draft picks make the 2022 roster, the Eagles will have 7.5 million in cap room with 49 players under contract.

3.  Using the same link, https://overthecap.com/draft/ give me scenario that if the Eagles get 3 first round picks, that they won't to use at a minimum 6.2 million of the 7.5 million in cap room to sign those players.

 

I wouldn’t let a 32 year old do my taxes.

What the hell do some of these job titles even mean? And you can bet that multiple people with the same job title don’t have the same role. 
 

Just like coordinator roles. They’re not the same under Bill Belichick as they are Andy Reid.