Traveler Vic Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 7 hours ago, Procus said: https://www.yahoo.com/news/report-multiple-teams-calling-eagles-034430202.html https://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/2179676 Howie has been known to generate fake news. All I am saying, itis very suspicious. I just think the other teams know that he will be released and they are waiting to deal with Ertz, without giving up any compensation. At this point.. I would take anything, anyone gives for Ertz, because you do not want his bad contract in the locker room, and the beginning of the New Season is around the corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeep_man Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Traveler Vic said: Howie has been known to generate fake news. All I am saying, itis very suspicious. I just think the other teams know that he will be released and they are waiting to deal with Ertz, without giving up any compensation. At this point.. I would take anything, anyone gives for Ertz, because you do not want his bad contract in the locker room, and the beginning of the New Season is around the corner. He is worth keeping for the season and let him leave next year for a 3rd round compensation pick, rather than outright release him this year and get nothing for him.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwestbrook36 Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 3 hours ago, Jeep_man said: He is worth keeping for the season and let him leave next year for a 3rd round compensation pick, rather than outright release him this year and get nothing for him.... Compensation picks are not guaranteed and even more so then one that high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eggs Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 29 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said: Compensation picks are not guaranteed and even more so then one that high. That’s why a conditional draft pick trade could make sense for everyone. Somebody can play it for the potential of a mid late round comp pick if he leaves after a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RememberTheKoy Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 14 hours ago, Procus said: https://www.yahoo.com/news/report-multiple-teams-calling-eagles-034430202.html https://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/2179676 This is nothing more than Howie trying to generate interest with fake reports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle45 Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 Don’t assume you get much for Ertz as a comp pick. Another year of age, if they transition to Goedert as the primary pass catching TE. If they sign someone themselves, they may end up with a comp 7 in 2023. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 People, for the 100th time, you only get a comp pick for a player that leaves as a free agent. YOU DO NOT GET A COMP PICK FOR A CUT/ RELEASED PLAYER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle45 Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 57 minutes ago, downundermike said: People, for the 100th time, you only get a comp pick for a player that leaves as a free agent. YOU DO NOT GET A COMP PICK FOR A CUT/ RELEASED PLAYER. I think many are operating under the assumption that Ertz plays out this year and walks next year…at that age and after another year in this offense, he’s likely signing a very modest contract that won’t impact our comp pick situation much at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procus Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 Many people have a tendency to view things in an extreme. Howie is the worst GM and created a mess. Howie was the biggest genius. He's neither. He is a smart guy, has issues with personnel evaluation, but also has the ability to pull of the periodic good trade. As of July 4, there is no upside to releasing Ertz. Oh, you may read the periodic rant from the Roobs out there that the team is doing wrong by Ertz. Nonsense. Ertz became an elite TE with the team, caught a SB winning touchdown, and if nothing else happens, will be playing out his second contract. In other words, he should be financially set for life. The Eagles relationship with Ertz is a multi million dollar business relationship, in addition to being a sports entertainment relationship. Ertz has played well overall for the team, and the Eagles have paid him handsomely. True that top tier free agents are making more than ever, but that's any given year. Right now, the Eagles have invested enough in Zach Ertz where the player can wait a few more weeks if need be to see if there is another team willing to part with a pick or comparable player for a one year rental. All part and parcel of being a good player in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManchesterEagle Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 12 minutes ago, Procus said: Many people have a tendency to view things in an extreme. Howie is the worst GM and created a mess. Howie was the biggest genius. He's neither. He is a smart guy, has issues with personnel evaluation, but also has the ability to pull of the periodic good trade. As of July 4, there is no upside to releasing Ertz. Oh, you may read the periodic rant from the Roobs out there that the team is doing wrong by Ertz. Nonsense. Ertz became an elite TE with the team, caught a SB winning touchdown, and if nothing else happens, will be playing out his second contract. In other words, he should be financially set for life. The Eagles relationship with Ertz is a multi million dollar business relationship, in addition to being a sports entertainment relationship. Ertz has played well overall for the team, and the Eagles have paid him handsomely. True that top tier free agents are making more than ever, but that's any given year. Right now, the Eagles have invested enough in Zach Ertz where the player can wait a few more weeks if need be to see if there is another team willing to part with a pick or comparable player for a one year rental. All part and parcel of being a good player in the NFL. Agree with this 100%. Now it's possible that Ertz is done or on the severe decline to the point that he is pretty much league average now and if the Eagles truly believe that, then fine, take a 6th rounder. But I believe last year was just a mess for him with the pandemic, the Eagles O being in a mess and his injuries. He's only 30, a year younger than Travis Kelce and prior to last year he was comfortably a top 5 TE in the league, making pro bowl after pro bowl. Howie would be negligent if he didn't try and maximise value for him. We need the cap space? What for? If we need a bit more, there are still restructures we can do. Ertz could help put a team like Buffalo over the edge and I don't want to just give him away for that reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procus Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 16 hours ago, Traveler Vic said: Howie has been known to generate fake news. All I am saying, itis very suspicious. I just think the other teams know that he will be released and they are waiting to deal with Ertz, without giving up any compensation. At this point.. I would take anything, anyone gives for Ertz, because you do not want his bad contract in the locker room, and the beginning of the New Season is around the corner. The veracity of the news reports is unknown. But at the end of the day, they're meaningless. And while with many players, I'd agree you wouldn't want the bad contract in the locker room, Ertz is not one of them. If the Eagles keep him on the roster, I would expect him to man up and would be surprised if he acts up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cochis_Calhoun Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 11 hours ago, ManchesterEagle said: Agree with this 100%. Now it's possible that Ertz is done or on the severe decline to the point that he is pretty much league average now and if the Eagles truly believe that, then fine, take a 6th rounder. But I believe last year was just a mess for him with the pandemic, the Eagles O being in a mess and his injuries. He's only 30, a year younger than Travis Kelce and prior to last year he was comfortably a top 5 TE in the league, making pro bowl after pro bowl. Howie would be negligent if he didn't try and maximise value for him. We need the cap space? What for? If we need a bit more, there are still restructures we can do. Ertz could help put a team like Buffalo over the edge and I don't want to just give him away for that reason. No that's rose tinted glasses, if it was the offense as a whole Ertz would still be the best of a bad bunch, as it was Goedert and Rodgers both put up better numbers than Ertz, his catching was awful all year (50% catch rate), Ertz was a problem for the offense not vice versa. He's been a great TE for the Eagles no doubt, but constant stories in the press that he's pissing and moaning about the contract offer and the play last season and the off season has put a bullet in any feelings I might be sorry to see him go, he thinks he's worth Kittle money and even at his best he isn't in Kittle's league. On the basis of last year he isn't worth what he'd earn this year, my guess is they kick the tyres in training camp, see if last year was a blip and make the roster decision accordingly, but after last year it's open competition for TE1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 On 7/3/2021 at 10:40 PM, Procus said: https://www.yahoo.com/news/report-multiple-teams-calling-eagles-034430202.html https://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/2179676 One of those articles is from March. The other just says "one month ago." I'd guess those interested teams are just waiting on his release now. I'm guessing that he wants that release, so he can sign with the Colts (who need a TE) and reunite with Wentz and Reich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManchesterEagle Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 2 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said: No that's rose tinted glasses, if it was the offense as a whole Ertz would still be the best of a bad bunch, as it was Goedert and Rodgers both put up better numbers than Ertz, his catching was awful all year (50% catch rate), Ertz was a problem for the offense not vice versa. He's been a great TE for the Eagles no doubt, but constant stories in the press that he's pissing and moaning about the contract offer and the play last season and the off season has put a bullet in any feelings I might be sorry to see him go, he thinks he's worth Kittle money and even at his best he isn't in Kittle's league. On the basis of last year he isn't worth what he'd earn this year, my guess is they kick the tyres in training camp, see if last year was a blip and make the roster decision accordingly, but after last year it's open competition for TE1. Yeah look, Ertz was pretty poor last year and there were a number of potential reasons. Most likely they were all a factor. But I guess the question is can Ertz get back to 2015-2019 Ertz (and I agree he is not in the same class as Kittle or Kelce even at his best). If he can then he is absolutely an asset that teams should be willing to give up a conditional third for. If not they just need to cut their losses. I agree, if no decent offer comes in - then kick the tyres in training camp. Hopefully Ertz realises that he is playing for a future contract with another team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 30 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said: Yeah look, Ertz was pretty poor last year and there were a number of potential reasons. Most likely they were all a factor. But I guess the question is can Ertz get back to 2015-2019 Ertz (and I agree he is not in the same class as Kittle or Kelce even at his best). If he can then he is absolutely an asset that teams should be willing to give up a conditional third for. If not they just need to cut their losses. I agree, if no decent offer comes in - then kick the tyres in training camp. Hopefully Ertz realises that he is playing for a future contract with another team. Truthfully, if ANY offer comes in, they should take it. I suspect teams are just waiting on his eventual release at this point. I'm betting that he is a Colt very soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathByEagle Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 I see Howie as the type of character who will ride this to the end which I have no problem with If he does not get min a 4th rounder value in a pick or player then he will stick with Ertz till his contract is over next year. Etrz has zero leverage here. If he refuses to play then he is only hurting himself next year when teams are shopping for him. One less year to play and prove his worth in this new contract. Not to mention he loses out on that money for this years contract which is a pretty good chunk of change. He will be forced to take a pay cut next year if he does this or sign a 1 year cheapish deal to prove himself. Ertz knows this and will eventually go back to practice and play this year. How well is up to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CouchKing Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 Extend Ertz (for less than it would cost to extend Goeddert). Trade Goeddert (for more than you would get for Ertz). If Goeddert won't extend now, I extend Ertz and trade Goeddert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathByEagle Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 15 minutes ago, CouchKing said: Extend Ertz (for less than it would cost to extend Goeddert). Trade Goeddert (for more than you would get for Ertz). If Goeddert won't extend now, I extend Ertz and trade Goeddert. Maybe you havent kept up with current events. There is zero percent chance Ertz would sign a new deal with the Eagles. Well maybe not zero, if they fire Howie and give Ertz top 3 TE money there is a small chance. But neither of those will happen so yes its pretty much zero percent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManchesterEagle Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 4 hours ago, DeathByEagle said: I see Howie as the type of character who will ride this to the end which I have no problem with If he does not get min a 4th rounder value in a pick or player then he will stick with Ertz till his contract is over next year. Etrz has zero leverage here. If he refuses to play then he is only hurting himself next year when teams are shopping for him. One less year to play and prove his worth in this new contract. Not to mention he loses out on that money for this years contract which is a pretty good chunk of change. He will be forced to take a pay cut next year if he does this or sign a 1 year cheapish deal to prove himself. Ertz knows this and will eventually go back to practice and play this year. How well is up to him. Yep agreed on this. He's not Rodgers. We shouldn't let him hold this team to ransom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CouchKing Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 12 hours ago, DeathByEagle said: Maybe you havent kept up with current events. There is zero percent chance Ertz would sign a new deal with the Eagles. Well maybe not zero, if they fire Howie and give Ertz top 3 TE money there is a small chance. But neither of those will happen so yes its pretty much zero percent. I'm not as smart as you smart folks. Did the Eagles do anything smart yet? No!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsdarkstar Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 Ertz is expected to return for Training Camp.https://heavy.com/sports/philadelphia-eagles/zach-ertz-training-camp-report/Spadaro appeared on Fantasy Sports Radio on SiriusXM where he discussed Ertz’s complicated situation in Philly. He believes the 30-year-old veteran will be "one of the players reporting” on July 27, adding that "we’ll see how it plays out” once he gets there. So what does that mean? In the best-case scenario, Ertz sits down with general manager Howie Roseman and the two work out a new contract...Or Ertz shows up simply to avoid the hefty financial burden and free-agency implications. According to Pro Football Talk, the fine for skipping training camp is $50,000 per day and the loss of an accrued season toward free agency. Unless Ertz has an "opt-out silver bullet” in his current deal, similar to what Aaron Rodgers might use. Stay tuned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traveler Vic Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 8 hours ago, jsdarkstar said: Ertz is expected to return for Training Camp.https://heavy.com/sports/philadelphia-eagles/zach-ertz-training-camp-report/Spadaro appeared on Fantasy Sports Radio on SiriusXM where he discussed Ertz’s complicated situation in Philly. He believes the 30-year-old veteran will be "one of the players reporting” on July 27, adding that "we’ll see how it plays out” once he gets there. So what does that mean? In the best-case scenario, Ertz sits down with general manager Howie Roseman and the two work out a new contract...Or Ertz shows up simply to avoid the hefty financial burden and free-agency implications. According to Pro Football Talk, the fine for skipping training camp is $50,000 per day and the loss of an accrued season toward free agency. Unless Ertz has an "opt-out silver bullet” in his current deal, similar to what Aaron Rodgers might use. Stay tuned. All players have a magic bullet. They can simply opt out 2021-2022, because of Covid concerns without taking major financial penalty. I am very curious how this will play out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cochis_Calhoun Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 9 hours ago, jsdarkstar said: Ertz is expected to return for Training Camp.https://heavy.com/sports/philadelphia-eagles/zach-ertz-training-camp-report/Spadaro appeared on Fantasy Sports Radio on SiriusXM where he discussed Ertz’s complicated situation in Philly. He believes the 30-year-old veteran will be "one of the players reporting” on July 27, adding that "we’ll see how it plays out” once he gets there. So what does that mean? In the best-case scenario, Ertz sits down with general manager Howie Roseman and the two work out a new contract...Or Ertz shows up simply to avoid the hefty financial burden and free-agency implications. According to Pro Football Talk, the fine for skipping training camp is $50,000 per day and the loss of an accrued season toward free agency. Unless Ertz has an "opt-out silver bullet” in his current deal, similar to what Aaron Rodgers might use. Stay tuned. Don't accrued seasons only affect free agency up to 4 years anyway? Or do they mean he wouldn't be classed as having fulfilled the last year of his contract? Because that sounds like a huge legal argument in the making Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManchesterEagle Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 2 hours ago, Traveler Vic said: All players have a magic bullet. They can simply opt out 2021-2022, because of Covid concerns without taking major financial penalty. I am very curious how this will play out. 1 hour ago, Cochis_Calhoun said: Don't accrued seasons only affect free agency up to 4 years anyway? Or do they mean he wouldn't be classed as having fulfilled the last year of his contract? Because that sounds like a huge legal argument in the making As I understand it deadline for opt out has passed and nobody did opt out. I think if they do the contract would roll over, so it wouldn’t help Ertz, but it sounds like we don’t need to worry about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CouchKing Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 Extend Goeddert. Release Ertz or trade him for whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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