September 7, 20214 yr 49 minutes ago, DBW said: The federal government can mandate travel restrictions on private airlines, maybe you’ve heard of the no fly list. Something every eligible but unvaccinated person should be on. I didn't say they couldn't.
September 7, 20214 yr 6 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: You are a troll and will be fed accordingly. Good to know I've been able to goad you into *squints* rooting for the deaths of tens of millions of Americans. I had no idea I was that effective.
September 7, 20214 yr 8 minutes ago, Agent23 said: the FL variant kills them or not. Is the FL variant the same variant that spread through Israel recently despite that country's high vax rate?
September 7, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, mayanh8 said: Because it's not just about us, genius. It's about the eradication of the virus and protection of all of us. You can't protect the human population from a virus when you have 30% of the population providing an ecosystem for it to spread, grow, evolve, and eventually immunize itself against the vaccine. Yeah, except even in a country where the government is forcing people to be vaccinated to participate in society, the people in charge of this stuff acknowledge it's here to stay: I know it's tough, but you're just going to have to try to lose weight, man.
September 7, 20214 yr France has been popping off for weeks over government mandates: Our fakenews media won't even cover it though. Shameful.
September 7, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, mayanh8 said: I mean... you can easily run the last few pages of the thread back where I, and the rest of CVON, answer this question... You're all arguing that the federal government can mandate passengers to be vaccinated. They can, and nowhere have I said that they can't. But the airlines haven't even been able to agree on whether to mandate that their own pilots and flight crews get vaccinated (some have, some haven't). The Federal government coming through and mandating that all passengers be vaccinated would potentially bar unvaccinated passengers from planes that are being flown and serviced by unvaccinated personnel. Likewise, the already decimated airline industry would only be able to service 47% of the country (those who are currently vaccinated)...cutting their existing their client base in half. Please explain to me how this would not induce legal challenges on both sides of this issue?
September 7, 20214 yr 7 minutes ago, Kz! said: Good to know I've been able to goad you into *squints* rooting for the deaths of tens of millions of Americans. I had no idea I was that effective. The blood is on your hands brother. Trying to lead as many as you can of the cliff. I'm just eating popcorn over here.
September 7, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: The blood is on your hands brother. Trying to lead as many as you can of the cliff. I'm just eating popcorn over here. This post only makes sense if you acknowledge that liberalism is a cult. 🤣😂🤣
September 7, 20214 yr 12 minutes ago, The Norseman said: I didn't say they couldn't. You implied it was unconstitutional in reference to Vikas’ post where you said he supports a government mandate. I was simply making sure you understood that the government can, at time, step in and regulate the private airlines via a no fly list if they feel it is a matter of national emergency or security. If you indeed do understand that, then your remark about Vikas supporting it, is pointless. you’re argument that what he supports is unconstitutional is void as per the above agreed upon fact that the government can step in and ban your ability to fly.
September 7, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, Kz! said: Yeah, except even in a country where the government is forcing people to be vaccinated to participate in society, the people in charge of this stuff acknowledge it's here to stay: I know it's tough, but you're just going to have to try to lose weight, man. You're completely misrepresenting what she's said (if you actually read the article)... or you've fallen for a clickbait headline for the umpteenth time. Both things are equally possible. So this will be more for the people who aren't total idiots and/or aren't being disingenuous about how they view vaccines... "As a public health doctor we always want to have diseases go, to be totally eliminated, but that is not on the horizon in the near future,” she continued. "Booster doses and repeat doses will be part of it.” "I can assure you that the commonwealth government has purchased large quantities of vaccine into 2022 and this will be a regular cycle of vaccination and revaccination as we learn more about when immunity wanes.” Clearly, she's saying there's no all out cure for the virus so maintaining high vaccination levels are what's going to keep COVID numbers down, as is the case with many vaccines we take.
September 7, 20214 yr 13 minutes ago, The Norseman said: You're all arguing that the federal government can mandate passengers to be vaccinated. They can, and nowhere have I said that they can't. But the airlines haven't even been able to agree on whether to mandate that their own pilots and flight crews get vaccinated (some have, some haven't). The Federal government coming through and mandating that all passengers be vaccinated would potentially bar unvaccinated passengers from planes that are being flown and serviced by unvaccinated personnel. Likewise, the already decimated airline industry would only be able to service 47% of the country (those who are currently vaccinated)...cutting their existing their client base in half. Please explain to me how this would not induce legal challenges on both sides of this issue? They are more than welcome to challenge it. But the federal government has the authority, and has used it in the past regularly, to stop individuals or groups of people from flying that represent a healthy and safety risk to others. That is one of the core mandates of the TSA. Arguing against it would be argue against the very existence/mission of the agency itself.
September 7, 20214 yr Just now, mayanh8 said: They are more than welcome to challenge it. But the federal government has the authority, and has used it in the past regularly, to stop being from flying that represent a healthy and safety risk to everyone else in this country. That is the sole purpose of the TSA. Arguing against it would be argue against the very existence/mission of the agency itself. Based on what? Scientifically, your odds of catching Covid on an airplane are 1 in 4300 with the new air filters, mask mandates and cleaning regimens. Your odds are much higher when going to the grocery store or a family gathering. We already ask people if they are symptomatic prior to even coming to the airport and some airlines even go so far as to take temperatures prior to boarding. This cannot be compared to bringing explosives or a firearm on the plane, and that would be an easy argument to overturn in court. Furthermore, the reason that @vikas83 and others brought this up was as a way to force the unvaccinated to comply. The intent here isn't to keep people safe on airplanes, the intent is to force the unvaccinated to get vaccinated. The science does not support the premise of this being done for the purpose of passenger safety and therefore I think this would be challenged legally. But according to you I don't understand anything about our laws or their precedent.
September 7, 20214 yr 24 minutes ago, The Norseman said: You're all arguing that the federal government can mandate passengers to be vaccinated. They can, and nowhere have I said that they can't. But the airlines haven't even been able to agree on whether to mandate that their own pilots and flight crews get vaccinated (some have, some haven't). The Federal government coming through and mandating that all passengers be vaccinated would potentially bar unvaccinated passengers from planes that are being flown and serviced by unvaccinated personnel. Likewise, the already decimated airline industry would only be able to service 47% of the country (those who are currently vaccinated)...cutting their existing their client base in half. Please explain to me how this would not induce legal challenges on both sides of this issue? The airlines charge double for fat people to buy a second seat. Maybe they need to charge unvaccinated people triple for their own row?
September 7, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, The Norseman said: Based on what? Scientifically, your odds of catching Covid on an airplane are 1 in 4300 with the new air filters, mask mandates and cleaning regimens. Your odds are much higher when going to the grocery store or a family gathering. We already ask people if they are symptomatic prior to even coming to the airport and some airlines even go so far as to take temperatures prior to boarding. This cannot be compared to bringing explosives or a firearm on the plane, and that would be an easy argument to overturn in court. Furthermore, the reason that @vikas83 and others brought this up was as a way to force the unvaccinated to comply. The intent here isn't to keep people safe on airplanes, the intent is to force the unvaccinated to get vaccinated. The science does not support the premise of this being done for the purpose of passenger safety and therefore I think this would be challenged legally. But according to you I don't understand anything about our laws or their precedent. Source for the 1 in 4300 chance to catch covid on a plane?
September 7, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, DBW said: The airlines charge double for fat people to buy a second seat. Maybe they need to charge unvaccinated people triple for their own row? Much better solution. Lump the anti vaxers in with the fatties.
September 7, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, DBW said: Source for the 1 in 4300 chance to catch covid on a plane? https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/odds-catching-covid-19-flight-wellness-scn/index.html
September 7, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, The Norseman said: Based on what? Scientifically, your odds of catching Covid on an airplane are 1 in 4300 with the new air filters, mask mandates and cleaning regimens. Your odds are much higher when going to the grocery store or a family gathering. We already ask people if they are symptomatic prior to even coming to the airport and some airlines even go so far as to take temperatures prior to boarding. This cannot be compared to bringing explosives or a firearm on the plane, and that would be an easy argument to overturn in court. Furthermore, the reason that @vikas83 and others brought this up was as a way to force the unvaccinated to comply. The intent here isn't to keep people safe on airplanes, the intent is to force the unvaccinated to get vaccinated. The science does not support the premise of this being done for the purpose of passenger safety and therefore I think this would be challenged legally. But according to you I don't understand anything about our laws or their precedent. The TSA doesn't exist or have the authority to enforce restrictions on grocery stores or family gatherings. So the entirety of your argument is meaningless and therefore completely irrelevant, from a legal standpoint.
September 7, 20214 yr Just now, mayanh8 said: The TSA doesn't exist or have the authority to enforce restrictions on grocery stores or family gatherings. So the entirety of your argument is meaningless and therefore completely irrelevant, from a legal standpoint. You just made my point
September 7, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Kz! said: We are not in the same "party." Oh, and get over yourself. No one cares that you hold people on "your side" to the same standards as those you oppose in here. You can quit saying it 1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said: You make us look bad. Find another party please. Haha 2 triggered aholes in a battle to the death! Here's to hoping you both win!
September 7, 20214 yr 8 minutes ago, The Norseman said: https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/odds-catching-covid-19-flight-wellness-scn/index.html It’s a pretty cherry picked number there and hardly scientific. It was based on a couple of flights where known transmission occurred and someone doing funny math to narrow it down to 2 hour flights in the US. How many flights have you taken in your life where you’re on the plane for less than 2 hours? Not many. I suspect the odds are much greater when you expand that to even into the next tier of medium haul (3-6 hour) flights. And probably a much higher odds when you go into 6 hour flights. And this is all assuming 1 sick person on board. What are the odds if say 1/3 have covid? sure many planes are equipped with newer air filtration. Are all of them? What are the odds of catching it if I’m on a plane with out dated systems? Again, very cherry picky with that estimation on the odds. I won’t call it scientific until they can actually do the science, not cherry pick stats.
September 7, 20214 yr 10 minutes ago, DBW said: It’s a pretty cherry picked number there and hardly scientific. It was based on a couple of flights where known transmission occurred and someone doing funny math to narrow it down to 2 hour flights in the US. How many flights have you taken in your life where you’re on the plane for less than 2 hours? Not many. I suspect the odds are much greater when you expand that to even into the next tier of medium haul (3-6 hour) flights. And probably a much higher odds when you go into 6 hour flights. And this is all assuming 1 sick person on board. What are the odds if say 1/3 have covid? sure many planes are equipped with newer air filtration. Are all of them? What are the odds of catching it if I’m on a plane with out dated systems? Again, very cherry picky with that estimation on the odds. I won’t call it scientific until they can actually do the science, not cherry pick stats. one flight there was US - Taiwan, more than 3 hours. the airplanes themselves cycle air frequently. generally they're not seen as a major source of spread, between the air being replaced entirely every few minutes and mask mandates as well as testing for most flights before you're allowed to board. security lines and hanging about the airport seem like more likely places where you might catch something, but you can distance a bit.
September 7, 20214 yr Are we just going to gloss over the fact that Fauci should be in prison today? Lock him up.
September 7, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, Kz! said: Are we just going to gloss over the fact that Fauci should be in prison today? Lock him up. Come back with the evidence that we funded gain of function
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