47 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

raptors have a roster filled with long, athletic wings...the sixers don't really have anyone like that & it's a huge weakness on this team. can't defend & can't create shots. 

That's how the Lakers and somewhat the bucks won the championship the last 2 season. When you have all long athletes that can all shoot the 3 , handle the ball and make plays. It's almost impossible to stop.

Embiid can't guard everyone, with that being said it's also the reason guys as big as Embiid is don't win championships anymore. Embiid makes his presence felt on defense but, he can't run up and down the floor non stop with with guys like Barnes and Siakim. 

Embiid looks tired and not just the thumb. 

11 hours ago, giveemtheboot said:

No team in nba history has lost up 3-0

yet

5 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

That's how the Lakers and somewhat the bucks won the championship the last 2 season. When you have all long athletes that can all shoot the 3 , handle the ball and make plays. It's almost impossible to stop.

Embiid can't guard everyone, with that being said it's also the reason guys as big as Embiid is don't win championships anymore. Embiid makes his presence felt on defense but, he can't run up and down the floor non stop with with guys like Barnes and Siakim. 

Embiid looks tired and not just the thumb. 

Not to mention he’s always hurt in the playoffs.  People hate on me for saying I’d be open to offers for him…but realistically I don’t think they win a title with him.  Trading him at least gets us a head start on rebuilding and probably wouldn’t even have to go through a true rebuild.

6 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

That's how the Lakers and somewhat the bucks won the championship the last 2 season. When you have all long athletes that can all shoot the 3 , handle the ball and make plays. It's almost impossible to stop.

Embiid can't guard everyone, with that being said it's also the reason guys as big as Embiid is don't win championships anymore. Embiid makes his presence felt on defense but, he can't run up and down the floor non stop with with guys like Barnes and Siakim. 

Embiid looks tired and not just the thumb. 

those long athletes are also switchable on defense...which we've seen the past couple games. 

agreed on jojo...he looked slow last night & they attacked him. can't remember teams hunting jojo on defense before...but they did it and it worked. 

Just now, mr_hunt said:

those long athletes are also switchable on defense...which we've seen the past couple games. 

agreed on jojo...he looked slow last night & they attacked him. can't remember teams hunting jojo on defense before...but they did it and it worked. 

Didn’t the hawks last year with Collins or capela say their plan was as the series wore on to tire out embiid and it work? 

9 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Sounds out there, but if the Sixers go on and lose this series after being up 3-0, there’s the theory thar this core might never recover psychologically from it. You can put other guys around the core of this team but like the Atlanta Falcons when they blew that 28 to 3 lead, they never recovered from it. The just kept getting worse and physiologically i dont believe they ever recovered to this day. I get this isn’t the biggest game like the SB but it’s the type of loss that will be a dark cloud over the franchise. Even if you fire glenn it will remain with this core. I’m not saying they should blow it up but i think there’s a strong chance they never recover from it and just spirals the other way.  

I don't think this is out there at all. My own personal theory is a version of this, with the lack of camaraderie from season to season and the huge turnover this team has gone through over the years being a big reason why this team chokes and doesn't win these big games. They're not a real team, compared to teams like the Celtics, Raptors, Hawks, who are home grown talent that plays together/for each other. Those home grown coaching staffs/front offices helps with that too. Meanwhile the way this team has shifted and changed around Embiid off the top of my head -

Hinkie/Colangelos/Brett/Morey.

Ben/Fultz/Jimmy/Tobi/Ben/Harden/Maxey

Brett to Doc

There's just too much turnover + bad decision making with this team. So when crap hits the fan there's not any really rallying together to beat it, it just turns to finger pointing with Doc/Embiid vs Simmons last year and now Embiid blaming Harden this year. Also, the more this continues, at some point the blame is going to settle with who has been at the constant of it all, Embiid. 

49 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

raptors have a roster filled with long, athletic wings...the sixers don't really have anyone like that & it's a huge weakness on this team. can't defend & can't create shots. 

I was watching at some point last night, realizing our best lineup was out there and thinking to myself, even if they make 100% of their shots to stage a comeback from here on out... this group isn't STOPPING anyone on the defensive side. Not being able to play Thybulle at all in that game killed them from this aspect as well. It makes the Ben situation look even worse, by losing his defensive skillset and now not being able to count on the next man up in Thybulle. Theres no defensive specialist left on this team, including Embiid, as he nurses this thumb injury. 

TLDR: This is a Fing disaster. 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Didn’t the hawks last year with Collins or capela say their plan was as the series wore on to tire out embiid and it work? 

KD said it when they played the Sixers a while ago. Run them and watch them break in the 4th

17 minutes ago, GoEagles5921 said:

Not to mention he’s always hurt in the playoffs.  People hate on me for saying I’d be open to offers for him…but realistically I don’t think they win a title with him.  Trading him at least gets us a head start on rebuilding and probably wouldn’t even have to go through a true rebuild.

To be honest I think the Sixers as an organization since they’ve gotten Joel Embiid have done a bad job building the team. The closest they had to a legitimate title contender might’ve been 2019. instead of just spending the money, offering Jimmy Butler the 5 year max and trying to run that back they decided they didn’t want to pay Jimmy Butler cause Ben Simmons couldn’t take it (along with potentially decline of butler at the end of the contract and explosive personality). That was a major red flag about Ben Simmons that he didn’t care enough about the entire team and only cared about himself and how he would be utilized off the ball which hurt his brand. that was seemingly one of the issues on why the 76ers didn’t want to bring Jimmy Butler back on a 5 year max. Then they were dumb enough to think signing horford with the last significant cap space was smart. Then they hired the fraud in doc and had burner gate which put Elton brand and brett brown in GM roles which neither were ready for or should’ve been doing 

The sixers as an organization have wasted a ton of assets over the years and made bad decision after bad decision. Maybe it’s the curse of the process and showboating about that process. But this organization has been poorly run. Morey hasn’t helped strictly trying to get harden at all costs (which i think Rubin the owner was all about that too. This whole star hunting thing began years ago. So it tells me organizationally from the top they only wanted another proven star. Morey definitely to blame but i don’t believe it was just him pushing harden. ). But if we’re honest with ourselves by the time Morey even got here, the only two assets that were worth anything on this roster were Ben Simmons and Joel Embiid. (One depreciated in a year) Considering the fact how many assets were acquired and accumulated and cap space maneuvered by Sam Hinkie that’s pathetic.

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

To be honest I think the Sixers as an organization since they’ve gotten Joel Embiid have done a bad job building the team. The closest they had to a legitimate title contender might’ve been 2019. instead of just spending the money, offering Jimmy Butler the 5 year max and trying to run that back they decided they didn’t want to pay Jimmy Butler cause Ben Simmons couldn’t take it (along with potentially decline of butler at the end of the contract and explosive personality). That was a major red flag about Ben Simmons that he didn’t care enough about the entire team and only cared about himself and how he would be utilized off the ball which hurt his brand. that was seemingly one of the issues on why the 76ers didn’t want to bring Jimmy Butler back on a 5 year max. Then they were dumb enough to think signing horford with the last significant cap space was smart. Then they hired the fraud in doc and had burner gate. 

A horrendous job of building around him. They need a lead guard that can run an offense in the half court, Bridges, and just shooters. 

We saw the lack of guard in Game 3 when everyone stood around and Embiid at the 3 point line. They got extremely lucky in that Embiid game winning shot with the defense Nurse had lined up. 

Looking back at the guys they could have had in the summer for Simmons should make any Sixers fan cry. 

Talk of LaVine straight up, Garland/Love, Murray, Haliburton/Buddy, talk of Siakam, and a few others. 

Glad I couldn’t watch that horror show last night. 

15 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

A horrendous job of building around him. They need a lead guard that can run an offense in the half court, Bridges, and just shooters. 

We saw the lack of guard in Game 3 when everyone stood around and Embiid at the 3 point line. 

Looking back at the guys they could have had in the summer for Simmons should make any Sixers fan cry. 

Talk of LaVine straight up, Garland/Love, Murray, Haliburton/Buddy, talk of Siakam, and a few others. 

The wasting of assets and cap space is what’s going to prevent the sixers from ever getting themselves to a finals. They wasted cap space on guys like horford who was a bad fit and have Danny green declining and a loss of a draft pick to show for it  

For years now the Sixers have tried to get a proven star to go along side Joel Embiid and before they traded him Ben Simmons. really outside of 2019 that failed miserably. Morey deserves a lot of blame for only having his mindset on acquiring a proven star for Simmons and really harden at all costs. It was a huge blunder on his end with how harden has looked since coming here and it was noticeable with the nets before he began sitting out. 

However ownership has shown for years now they wanted another proven star at all cost. So I don’t think this was strictly just Morey being the only one driving that bus for a proven star. Frankly i think he was brought in here cause sixers ownership wanted another proven star and believed he could acquire it. This is an organizational thing that they wanted one and they weren’t gonna give up Ben Simmons unless they got "a proven star”. I just think Morey and the ownership mindset aligned with each other.

The issue is morey, Rubin and ownership when they saw how James Harden was playing with the nets at the end of his tenure (before he began just sitting out ) should have realized he wasn’t the same player anymore and they were unlikely getting rockets James Harden which they needed in order to win. At that point you shouldn’t have pursued that trade. 

7 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Glad I couldn’t watch that horror show last night. 

i feel like to get the big picture you need to watch it. The body language, the absolute destruction that Thybulle brought to the lineup each time he was out there, the crowd reactions - trying to breathe life back into these losers as TOR would then break their backs with a great play/dunk just at the peak of the possible momentum shift, it was a mortifying but also humbling thing to experience. 

As good as his defense is at times, Thybulle is just unplayable in the playoffs. Offensive black hole. And even though he makes some positive plays defensively, he gets out of control and commits dumb fouls too often. I’d be fine with moving him. 

Chuck on the Sixers: "They’re not going to win in Toronto. Let me tell you somethin. By the time they get to game 7 them sphincter gonna be so tight.”

7 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Only thing i disagree with is this was worse than atlanta. At least atlanta we were up 25 and played well for a half of that game. This game the sixers were basically owned from start to finish which was a continuation of game 4.  

True dat. Also, look at how allstar players played under him with the Clippers. Same lethargic energy, same unprepared players, same inability to make adjustments- and the players frustration with those non adjustments, same blown leads. Doc Rivers was fired because of those blown playoff leads. Now he is doing it in Philly in back to back seasons. STOP THIS FOOL. Get rid of Harden, too. Let's get a new package of faster, athletic players. The 76ers are a boring, plodding team. Speed kills- get some.

1 minute ago, nipples said:

As good as his defense is at times, Thybulle is just unplayable in the playoffs. Offensive black hole. And even though he makes some positive plays defensively, he gets out of control and commits dumb fouls too often. I’d be fine with moving him. 

The issue with thybulle coming out of college was his floor was high due to his ability to a really good nba defender from day 1 but his ceiling was lower cause he was already 22 and the likelihood he’d develop his offensive game was less than kids who are 18-19 years old. He was closer to a finished product. Unless he really developed his 3 point shot, his ceiling was limited. Which goes back to when Elton Brand was so giddy that he told everyone he wanted him and that he hurt the sixers in terms of what they had to give up to get him in that draft.

The difference between thybulle and bridges was bridges was a good offensive player and could shoot when he came out. He was a much more polished player and i believe a year younger. Zhaire Smith was basically more athletic but offensively challenged like thybulle coming out but 3 years younger. They really didn’t need smith with thybulle on the roster. They needed role players who could be potential starters. Bridges actually fit what they needed. 

11 minutes ago, nipples said:

As good as his defense is at times, Thybulle is just unplayable in the playoffs. Offensive black hole. And even though he makes some positive plays defensively, he gets out of control and commits dumb fouls too often. I’d be fine with moving him. 

And he really isnt a great on ball defender. He wrecks havoc off the ball by getting in passing lanes and swiping for steam. 

But agree. I would ride Green until the wheels fall off because he can shoot. 

13 minutes ago, Talonblood said:

True dat. Also, look at how allstar players played under him with the Clippers. Same lethargic energy, same unprepared players, same inability to make adjustments- and the players frustration with those non adjustments, same blown leads. Doc Rivers was fired because of those blown playoff leads. Now he is doing it in Philly in back to back seasons. STOP THIS FOOL. Get rid of Harden, too. Let's get a new package of faster, athletic players. The 76ers are a boring, plodding team. Speed kills- get some.

I thought about this for a couple weeks now after watching Harden and this team, if you’re the 76ers you really gotta ask yourself the tough question: with the cap restrictions we are going to have and the limited assets are we capable of building a roster around Joel Embiid that is good enough to win title with the current landscape in the nba? You likely only have prime embiid for another 2-3 years. So you have to be honest with yourself about what is going on with your franchise.

and if the 76ers blow this 3-0 lead that is something that will stick with a franchise and haunt them. so that question that’s being asked is even more prevalent. I do not believe the 76ers would ever blow it up until Joel Embiid asked to be traded which would come if he didn’t see a potential championship in Philadelphia. However there is a case to be made if the worst happens in this series and James Harden is truly done that it just isn’t going to happen for embiid and the sixers. 

I love the sixers, but imo their failures of the past particularly after 2019 is going to prevent them from winning a title and i don’t see anyway this team is going to build it up to be great enough to help embiid win a title. Maybe that’s overly negative in the moment but i don’t see the sixers catching Boston with Tatum and brown going to the next level. I don’t see them beating the bucks the next couple years. And i see some younger teams potentially passing them by as we have limited resources and cap space. 

33 minutes ago, nipples said:

As good as his defense is at times, Thybulle is just unplayable in the playoffs. Offensive black hole. And even though he makes some positive plays defensively, he gets out of control and commits dumb fouls too often. I’d be fine with moving him. 

Agreed and I stuck up for him.... After last night he is just putrid on offense. 

1 hour ago, GoEagles5921 said:

Not to mention he’s always hurt in the playoffs.  People hate on me for saying I’d be open to offers for him…but realistically I don’t think they win a title with him.  Trading him at least gets us a head start on rebuilding and probably wouldn’t even have to go through a true rebuild.

I don't know that I want to trade him but, I'm also not against it if it happens. 

1 hour ago, mr_hunt said:

those long athletes are also switchable on defense...which we've seen the past couple games. 

agreed on jojo...he looked slow last night & they attacked him. can't remember teams hunting jojo on defense before...but they did it and it worked. 

Cavillers did it earlier in the season they just kept throwing guys at him and you could tell he was getting pissed. 

Embiid has no weak side help so they just keep sending guys at him and it has the whole team chasing guys trying to find their responsibility. Nick Nurse is the real

17 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Agreed and I stuck up for him.... After last night he is just putrid on offense. 

I don't know that I want to trade him but, I'm also not against it if it happens. 

I don’t want to trade him either but if you don’t believe with the cap restrictions and limited resources you have that over the next 2 to 3 years you can build a team that is capable of winning a championship then you have to consider it. And if we’re being honest with ourselves Jaylen Brown and Tatum are entering their prime years so Boston is getting better likely could be even better next year (pain), bucks are in the midst of their prime years. We haven’t talked about some young teams out west. So not only do you have to build up the roster with a bunch of limitations, you have to build one capable of being better than those teams who are frankly much smarter/make Savvy decisions and better ownership. 

if we do blow this 3-0 lead, it is going to stick with this organization and haunt some of these current players for a while. It’s not something just get over easily and could hangover them for a while. 

the fan in me doesn’t want to trade embiid cause i love embiid and it’s hard to get a generational type talent especially in Philly. But the taking that fan emotion out of it, the mistakes this franchise has made over the years has crippled their chances of winning a title. We might be better off long term as an organization to trade the asset of embiid now and cash in on that than going down the road and wasting his career with rosters that aren’t good enough then waking up one day back in the process with even less resources than when we started the original process. i don’t think the sixers take this path of dealing him but the sixers might already be doomed to being good but not good enough. 

embiid is in his prime and (most likely) mvp runner up the past 2 seasons.  trading him now would be just ridiculous. you don't throw an asset like that away in his prime. teams wait decades for a player like that to come along. 

14 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

embiid is in his prime and (most likely) mvp runner up the past 2 seasons.  trading him now would be just ridiculous. you don't throw an asset like that away in his prime. teams wait decades for a player like that to come along. 

I actually wouldn’t be all that surprised if embiid sometime in the next 2 years asks to be traded. Let’s be honest here, the last great tradable asset the 76ers had besides Joel Embiid and maxey (who they’re not gonna trade) was Ben Simmons. That Ben Simmons trade you had to capitalize and hit it out of the park if you were going to maximize Joel Embiid career and his championship window. What they got from it was a broken down James Harden which really hinders embiid’s chances to win a title.  

So now from this point forward you have limited resources/assets and limited cap space to make the team around Joel Embiid good enough to beat a Boston team that has two young players who could potentially be a superstar and a star and a bucks team that is very good. At this very moment, the odds are very much against the 76ers building a team that’s good enough around Joel Embiid to win a title which I think embiid is going to see that realization over the next two years.

I’d make harden play on his option next year to see how much of this stink is his hammy. If this harden is what we get next year then walk away. And then either deal tobias as a expiring contract at the end of next year or let him walk the following year and have a bunch to cap space. Only issue with this is we have no clue what embiid looks like with 2 more seasons of wear and tear. He might just be coming out of his prime then  but at least you’d have harden and Harris off the books 

Unless morey pulls a rabbit out of his hat i kind of see embiid seeing the writing on the wall. there’s a chance that embiid pulls a lillard and doesn’t want to be traded. However i hope he doesn’t because he doesn’t deserve to be stuck in purgatory cause this organization has done a piss poor job building around him over the years that led us here. 

53 minutes ago, Talonblood said:

True dat. Also, look at how allstar players played under him with the Clippers. Same lethargic energy, same unprepared players, same inability to make adjustments- and the players frustration with those non adjustments, same blown leads. Doc Rivers was fired because of those blown playoff leads. Now he is doing it in Philly in back to back seasons. STOP THIS FOOL. Get rid of Harden, too. Let's get a new package of faster, athletic players. The 76ers are a boring, plodding team. Speed kills- get some.

100% this.  Build around Maxey and the few years left of Embiid and maybe they luck into a championship with the right players around them but I’m not counting on it.