1 hour ago, nipples said:

The Sixers deserved to lose so this isn’t me blaming officiating but… how many blatant push offs did Siakam get away with last night? Dude was fully extending his arm to push defenders back. Hell he did it twice in one possession.

Barnes did it twice on the same dribble in the first quarter.  

6 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m all for bashing harden. He stinks and whether he’s just cooked or it’s his hammy he’s been horrible shooting for 2 months. That said embiid went from 6:19 in the 2nd quarter to 5:21 in the 3rd quarter without scoring. He also took 2 shots in between those points. If the sixers are going to win harden must be better. But embiid can’t go 13 minutes in between scoring and then disappear only taking 2 shots in 13 mins. And this isn’t the first time he’s done this. He did so in game 4 where he had 7 points in the first half on minimal shot attempts. I believe in game 3 or 2 he had 5 points at halftime. Also embiid like everyone else on the sixers was awful on defense tonight 

Didn't he sit out during that stretch?  Or part of it?   I don't remember and I can't seem to find that information.  

1 hour ago, nipples said:

The Sixers deserved to lose so this isn’t me blaming officiating but… how many blatant push offs did Siakam get away with last night? Dude was fully extending his arm to push defenders back. Hell he did it twice in one possession.

Not just last night.  That's Siakams game. 

raptors have a roster filled with long, athletic wings...the sixers don't really have anyone like that & it's a huge weakness on this team. can't defend & can't create shots. 

No matter what happens with the playoffs, they need to move on from Doc. He sucks and they need a new voice/perspective from the coaching staff.

10 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

raptors have a roster filled with long, athletic wings...the sixers don't really have anyone like that & it's a huge weakness on this team. can't defend & can't create shots. 

Raptors also can't shoot the 3 with Van Fleet not playing. They have until Thursday to work on the zone. They shot 23% in Game 3 and 25.8% last night. 

Niang should also get zero minutes in the next game. He is getting hunted on the defensive end and only scoring 3 points won't make up for it. Play small and get Kork or Joe minutes, it's panic time and time to make some sort of adjustments. 

Embiid had 6 FT's attempts last night and only 9 in the Game 3 loss, that won't cut it. 

33 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Didn't he sit out during that stretch?  Or part of it?   I don't remember and I can't seem to find that information.  

So went to nba.com they record subs in the play by play. Reed subbed in at 21 seconds left in the first. was replaced by embiid in the 2nd quarter at 8:17. And embiid wasn’t substituted out for the rest of the second quarter. After halftime, embiid wasn’t substituted until the start of the 4th where reed played the first two minutes. Then embiid was subbed out the last two minutes which accounts for the 8 minutes off the floor. So from 8:17 of the 2nd quarter til the end of the 3rd he was out there 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

So went to nba.com they record subs in the play by play. Reed subbed in at 21 seconds left in the first. was replaced by embiid in the 2nd quarter at 8:17. And embiid wasn’t substituted out for the rest of the second quarter. After halftime, embiid wasn’t substituted until the start of the 4th where reed played the first two minutes. Then embiid was subbed out the last two minutes which accounts for the 8 minutes off the floor. So from 8:17 of the 2nd quarter til the end of the 3rd he was out there 

Ugghhhh.  

 

He's just like Maxey then.  Not good enough.  The Sixers were convinced he was ready to be the starting center, that's why they traded Drummond for Harden.  

Embiid needs to step up on the defensive end….

9 minutes ago, Blazehound said:

Embiid needs to step up on the defensive end….

Kind of feels like he’s worried about the thumb getting jammed if he puts his hands in there to try to block the shot. 

38 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Ugghhhh.  

 

He's just like Maxey then.  Not good enough.  The Sixers were convinced he was ready to be the starting center, that's why they traded Drummond for Harden.  

I love maxey but he’s 21 and only played 156 mins in the playoffs before this series (averaged 13 mins and only played 20+ mins in 3 of their 12 games last year). This series he’s played 208 mins in 5 games. In the nba playoffs, if you have to rely on a 21 year old kid with little playoff experience to be the second best player and scorer then you are likely not winning an nba title. What you saw in game 1 was awesome but nick nurse adjusted and you are seeing what’s happened in a long series where he is having to learn to adjust to the adjustments. Add on harden is killing the sixers with his inability to score. And embiid has been good for 2 games and bad for 3. Last year maxey played sporadically in the postseason (Glenn is an idiot) but not consistent game to game and wasn’t a focal point.  This is really his first continuous extensive action and a coach game planning against him in a postseason series. So there’s a learning curve going on here and growing pains.

It’s why if they made the haliburton trade instead of harden (would’ve done that trade simply cause i think haliburton is eventually going to be a star), he and maxey are likely both learning on the fly and dealing with growing pains the next 2 postseasons until they are fully grown and ready. which always comes back to Joel Embiid how much time does he have left and can you afford to allow Tyrese Maxey and Haliburton to develop and grow? Long term it definitely benefitted the sixers to have a backcourt of haliburton and maxey. Short term i think the sixers are still in trouble due to lack of experience besides green, embiid and barnes (as rumored tobias would’ve been going to Sacramento)  

Tbh felt this way for a while, but 2019 might have been the sixers best shot to win a title. That was their best team since embiid and Simmons began playing. after that the sixers botched moves and things deteriorated. Used cap space to sign horford which was a dumb move with their roster, didn’t offer butler a 5 year max (partially due to how he was going to age but here we are with harden same situation and he’s definitely declined) and got josh Richardson for him, forced to re-sign Harris, by not keeping butler sixers basically made it clear they choose Simmons and maxed him, hired doc rivers. That offseason was pivotal for the sixers. And nearly every move they made backfired. They have Danny green and loss of pick to show for horford signing here. 

47 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

raptors have a roster filled with long, athletic wings...the sixers don't really have anyone like that & it's a huge weakness on this team. can't defend & can't create shots. 

That's how the Lakers and somewhat the bucks won the championship the last 2 season. When you have all long athletes that can all shoot the 3 , handle the ball and make plays. It's almost impossible to stop.

Embiid can't guard everyone, with that being said it's also the reason guys as big as Embiid is don't win championships anymore. Embiid makes his presence felt on defense but, he can't run up and down the floor non stop with with guys like Barnes and Siakim. 

Embiid looks tired and not just the thumb. 

11 hours ago, giveemtheboot said:

No team in nba history has lost up 3-0

yet

5 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

That's how the Lakers and somewhat the bucks won the championship the last 2 season. When you have all long athletes that can all shoot the 3 , handle the ball and make plays. It's almost impossible to stop.

Embiid can't guard everyone, with that being said it's also the reason guys as big as Embiid is don't win championships anymore. Embiid makes his presence felt on defense but, he can't run up and down the floor non stop with with guys like Barnes and Siakim. 

Embiid looks tired and not just the thumb. 

Not to mention he’s always hurt in the playoffs.  People hate on me for saying I’d be open to offers for him…but realistically I don’t think they win a title with him.  Trading him at least gets us a head start on rebuilding and probably wouldn’t even have to go through a true rebuild.

6 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

That's how the Lakers and somewhat the bucks won the championship the last 2 season. When you have all long athletes that can all shoot the 3 , handle the ball and make plays. It's almost impossible to stop.

Embiid can't guard everyone, with that being said it's also the reason guys as big as Embiid is don't win championships anymore. Embiid makes his presence felt on defense but, he can't run up and down the floor non stop with with guys like Barnes and Siakim. 

Embiid looks tired and not just the thumb. 

those long athletes are also switchable on defense...which we've seen the past couple games. 

agreed on jojo...he looked slow last night & they attacked him. can't remember teams hunting jojo on defense before...but they did it and it worked. 

Just now, mr_hunt said:

those long athletes are also switchable on defense...which we've seen the past couple games. 

agreed on jojo...he looked slow last night & they attacked him. can't remember teams hunting jojo on defense before...but they did it and it worked. 

Didn’t the hawks last year with Collins or capela say their plan was as the series wore on to tire out embiid and it work? 

9 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Sounds out there, but if the Sixers go on and lose this series after being up 3-0, there’s the theory thar this core might never recover psychologically from it. You can put other guys around the core of this team but like the Atlanta Falcons when they blew that 28 to 3 lead, they never recovered from it. The just kept getting worse and physiologically i dont believe they ever recovered to this day. I get this isn’t the biggest game like the SB but it’s the type of loss that will be a dark cloud over the franchise. Even if you fire glenn it will remain with this core. I’m not saying they should blow it up but i think there’s a strong chance they never recover from it and just spirals the other way.  

I don't think this is out there at all. My own personal theory is a version of this, with the lack of camaraderie from season to season and the huge turnover this team has gone through over the years being a big reason why this team chokes and doesn't win these big games. They're not a real team, compared to teams like the Celtics, Raptors, Hawks, who are home grown talent that plays together/for each other. Those home grown coaching staffs/front offices helps with that too. Meanwhile the way this team has shifted and changed around Embiid off the top of my head -

Hinkie/Colangelos/Brett/Morey.

Ben/Fultz/Jimmy/Tobi/Ben/Harden/Maxey

Brett to Doc

There's just too much turnover + bad decision making with this team. So when crap hits the fan there's not any really rallying together to beat it, it just turns to finger pointing with Doc/Embiid vs Simmons last year and now Embiid blaming Harden this year. Also, the more this continues, at some point the blame is going to settle with who has been at the constant of it all, Embiid. 

49 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

raptors have a roster filled with long, athletic wings...the sixers don't really have anyone like that & it's a huge weakness on this team. can't defend & can't create shots. 

I was watching at some point last night, realizing our best lineup was out there and thinking to myself, even if they make 100% of their shots to stage a comeback from here on out... this group isn't STOPPING anyone on the defensive side. Not being able to play Thybulle at all in that game killed them from this aspect as well. It makes the Ben situation look even worse, by losing his defensive skillset and now not being able to count on the next man up in Thybulle. Theres no defensive specialist left on this team, including Embiid, as he nurses this thumb injury. 

TLDR: This is a Fing disaster. 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Didn’t the hawks last year with Collins or capela say their plan was as the series wore on to tire out embiid and it work? 

KD said it when they played the Sixers a while ago. Run them and watch them break in the 4th

17 minutes ago, GoEagles5921 said:

Not to mention he’s always hurt in the playoffs.  People hate on me for saying I’d be open to offers for him…but realistically I don’t think they win a title with him.  Trading him at least gets us a head start on rebuilding and probably wouldn’t even have to go through a true rebuild.

To be honest I think the Sixers as an organization since they’ve gotten Joel Embiid have done a bad job building the team. The closest they had to a legitimate title contender might’ve been 2019. instead of just spending the money, offering Jimmy Butler the 5 year max and trying to run that back they decided they didn’t want to pay Jimmy Butler cause Ben Simmons couldn’t take it (along with potentially decline of butler at the end of the contract and explosive personality). That was a major red flag about Ben Simmons that he didn’t care enough about the entire team and only cared about himself and how he would be utilized off the ball which hurt his brand. that was seemingly one of the issues on why the 76ers didn’t want to bring Jimmy Butler back on a 5 year max. Then they were dumb enough to think signing horford with the last significant cap space was smart. Then they hired the fraud in doc and had burner gate which put Elton brand and brett brown in GM roles which neither were ready for or should’ve been doing 

The sixers as an organization have wasted a ton of assets over the years and made bad decision after bad decision. Maybe it’s the curse of the process and showboating about that process. But this organization has been poorly run. Morey hasn’t helped strictly trying to get harden at all costs (which i think Rubin the owner was all about that too. This whole star hunting thing began years ago. So it tells me organizationally from the top they only wanted another proven star. Morey definitely to blame but i don’t believe it was just him pushing harden. ). But if we’re honest with ourselves by the time Morey even got here, the only two assets that were worth anything on this roster were Ben Simmons and Joel Embiid. (One depreciated in a year) Considering the fact how many assets were acquired and accumulated and cap space maneuvered by Sam Hinkie that’s pathetic.

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

To be honest I think the Sixers as an organization since they’ve gotten Joel Embiid have done a bad job building the team. The closest they had to a legitimate title contender might’ve been 2019. instead of just spending the money, offering Jimmy Butler the 5 year max and trying to run that back they decided they didn’t want to pay Jimmy Butler cause Ben Simmons couldn’t take it (along with potentially decline of butler at the end of the contract and explosive personality). That was a major red flag about Ben Simmons that he didn’t care enough about the entire team and only cared about himself and how he would be utilized off the ball which hurt his brand. that was seemingly one of the issues on why the 76ers didn’t want to bring Jimmy Butler back on a 5 year max. Then they were dumb enough to think signing horford with the last significant cap space was smart. Then they hired the fraud in doc and had burner gate. 

A horrendous job of building around him. They need a lead guard that can run an offense in the half court, Bridges, and just shooters. 

We saw the lack of guard in Game 3 when everyone stood around and Embiid at the 3 point line. They got extremely lucky in that Embiid game winning shot with the defense Nurse had lined up. 

Looking back at the guys they could have had in the summer for Simmons should make any Sixers fan cry. 

Talk of LaVine straight up, Garland/Love, Murray, Haliburton/Buddy, talk of Siakam, and a few others. 

Glad I couldn’t watch that horror show last night. 

15 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

A horrendous job of building around him. They need a lead guard that can run an offense in the half court, Bridges, and just shooters. 

We saw the lack of guard in Game 3 when everyone stood around and Embiid at the 3 point line. 

Looking back at the guys they could have had in the summer for Simmons should make any Sixers fan cry. 

Talk of LaVine straight up, Garland/Love, Murray, Haliburton/Buddy, talk of Siakam, and a few others. 

The wasting of assets and cap space is what’s going to prevent the sixers from ever getting themselves to a finals. They wasted cap space on guys like horford who was a bad fit and have Danny green declining and a loss of a draft pick to show for it  

For years now the Sixers have tried to get a proven star to go along side Joel Embiid and before they traded him Ben Simmons. really outside of 2019 that failed miserably. Morey deserves a lot of blame for only having his mindset on acquiring a proven star for Simmons and really harden at all costs. It was a huge blunder on his end with how harden has looked since coming here and it was noticeable with the nets before he began sitting out. 

However ownership has shown for years now they wanted another proven star at all cost. So I don’t think this was strictly just Morey being the only one driving that bus for a proven star. Frankly i think he was brought in here cause sixers ownership wanted another proven star and believed he could acquire it. This is an organizational thing that they wanted one and they weren’t gonna give up Ben Simmons unless they got "a proven star”. I just think Morey and the ownership mindset aligned with each other.

The issue is morey, Rubin and ownership when they saw how James Harden was playing with the nets at the end of his tenure (before he began just sitting out ) should have realized he wasn’t the same player anymore and they were unlikely getting rockets James Harden which they needed in order to win. At that point you shouldn’t have pursued that trade. 

7 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Glad I couldn’t watch that horror show last night. 

i feel like to get the big picture you need to watch it. The body language, the absolute destruction that Thybulle brought to the lineup each time he was out there, the crowd reactions - trying to breathe life back into these losers as TOR would then break their backs with a great play/dunk just at the peak of the possible momentum shift, it was a mortifying but also humbling thing to experience. 

As good as his defense is at times, Thybulle is just unplayable in the playoffs. Offensive black hole. And even though he makes some positive plays defensively, he gets out of control and commits dumb fouls too often. I’d be fine with moving him. 

Chuck on the Sixers: "They’re not going to win in Toronto. Let me tell you somethin. By the time they get to game 7 them sphincter gonna be so tight.”