7 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Only thing i disagree with is this was worse than atlanta. At least atlanta we were up 25 and played well for a half of that game. This game the sixers were basically owned from start to finish which was a continuation of game 4.  

True dat. Also, look at how allstar players played under him with the Clippers. Same lethargic energy, same unprepared players, same inability to make adjustments- and the players frustration with those non adjustments, same blown leads. Doc Rivers was fired because of those blown playoff leads. Now he is doing it in Philly in back to back seasons. STOP THIS FOOL. Get rid of Harden, too. Let's get a new package of faster, athletic players. The 76ers are a boring, plodding team. Speed kills- get some.

1 minute ago, nipples said:

As good as his defense is at times, Thybulle is just unplayable in the playoffs. Offensive black hole. And even though he makes some positive plays defensively, he gets out of control and commits dumb fouls too often. I’d be fine with moving him. 

The issue with thybulle coming out of college was his floor was high due to his ability to a really good nba defender from day 1 but his ceiling was lower cause he was already 22 and the likelihood he’d develop his offensive game was less than kids who are 18-19 years old. He was closer to a finished product. Unless he really developed his 3 point shot, his ceiling was limited. Which goes back to when Elton Brand was so giddy that he told everyone he wanted him and that he hurt the sixers in terms of what they had to give up to get him in that draft.

The difference between thybulle and bridges was bridges was a good offensive player and could shoot when he came out. He was a much more polished player and i believe a year younger. Zhaire Smith was basically more athletic but offensively challenged like thybulle coming out but 3 years younger. They really didn’t need smith with thybulle on the roster. They needed role players who could be potential starters. Bridges actually fit what they needed. 

11 minutes ago, nipples said:

As good as his defense is at times, Thybulle is just unplayable in the playoffs. Offensive black hole. And even though he makes some positive plays defensively, he gets out of control and commits dumb fouls too often. I’d be fine with moving him. 

And he really isnt a great on ball defender. He wrecks havoc off the ball by getting in passing lanes and swiping for steam. 

But agree. I would ride Green until the wheels fall off because he can shoot. 

13 minutes ago, Talonblood said:

True dat. Also, look at how allstar players played under him with the Clippers. Same lethargic energy, same unprepared players, same inability to make adjustments- and the players frustration with those non adjustments, same blown leads. Doc Rivers was fired because of those blown playoff leads. Now he is doing it in Philly in back to back seasons. STOP THIS FOOL. Get rid of Harden, too. Let's get a new package of faster, athletic players. The 76ers are a boring, plodding team. Speed kills- get some.

I thought about this for a couple weeks now after watching Harden and this team, if you’re the 76ers you really gotta ask yourself the tough question: with the cap restrictions we are going to have and the limited assets are we capable of building a roster around Joel Embiid that is good enough to win title with the current landscape in the nba? You likely only have prime embiid for another 2-3 years. So you have to be honest with yourself about what is going on with your franchise.

and if the 76ers blow this 3-0 lead that is something that will stick with a franchise and haunt them. so that question that’s being asked is even more prevalent. I do not believe the 76ers would ever blow it up until Joel Embiid asked to be traded which would come if he didn’t see a potential championship in Philadelphia. However there is a case to be made if the worst happens in this series and James Harden is truly done that it just isn’t going to happen for embiid and the sixers. 

I love the sixers, but imo their failures of the past particularly after 2019 is going to prevent them from winning a title and i don’t see anyway this team is going to build it up to be great enough to help embiid win a title. Maybe that’s overly negative in the moment but i don’t see the sixers catching Boston with Tatum and brown going to the next level. I don’t see them beating the bucks the next couple years. And i see some younger teams potentially passing them by as we have limited resources and cap space. 

33 minutes ago, nipples said:

As good as his defense is at times, Thybulle is just unplayable in the playoffs. Offensive black hole. And even though he makes some positive plays defensively, he gets out of control and commits dumb fouls too often. I’d be fine with moving him. 

Agreed and I stuck up for him.... After last night he is just putrid on offense. 

1 hour ago, GoEagles5921 said:

Not to mention he’s always hurt in the playoffs.  People hate on me for saying I’d be open to offers for him…but realistically I don’t think they win a title with him.  Trading him at least gets us a head start on rebuilding and probably wouldn’t even have to go through a true rebuild.

I don't know that I want to trade him but, I'm also not against it if it happens. 

1 hour ago, mr_hunt said:

those long athletes are also switchable on defense...which we've seen the past couple games. 

agreed on jojo...he looked slow last night & they attacked him. can't remember teams hunting jojo on defense before...but they did it and it worked. 

Cavillers did it earlier in the season they just kept throwing guys at him and you could tell he was getting pissed. 

Embiid has no weak side help so they just keep sending guys at him and it has the whole team chasing guys trying to find their responsibility. Nick Nurse is the real

17 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Agreed and I stuck up for him.... After last night he is just putrid on offense. 

I don't know that I want to trade him but, I'm also not against it if it happens. 

I don’t want to trade him either but if you don’t believe with the cap restrictions and limited resources you have that over the next 2 to 3 years you can build a team that is capable of winning a championship then you have to consider it. And if we’re being honest with ourselves Jaylen Brown and Tatum are entering their prime years so Boston is getting better likely could be even better next year (pain), bucks are in the midst of their prime years. We haven’t talked about some young teams out west. So not only do you have to build up the roster with a bunch of limitations, you have to build one capable of being better than those teams who are frankly much smarter/make Savvy decisions and better ownership. 

if we do blow this 3-0 lead, it is going to stick with this organization and haunt some of these current players for a while. It’s not something just get over easily and could hangover them for a while. 

the fan in me doesn’t want to trade embiid cause i love embiid and it’s hard to get a generational type talent especially in Philly. But the taking that fan emotion out of it, the mistakes this franchise has made over the years has crippled their chances of winning a title. We might be better off long term as an organization to trade the asset of embiid now and cash in on that than going down the road and wasting his career with rosters that aren’t good enough then waking up one day back in the process with even less resources than when we started the original process. i don’t think the sixers take this path of dealing him but the sixers might already be doomed to being good but not good enough. 

embiid is in his prime and (most likely) mvp runner up the past 2 seasons.  trading him now would be just ridiculous. you don't throw an asset like that away in his prime. teams wait decades for a player like that to come along. 

14 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

embiid is in his prime and (most likely) mvp runner up the past 2 seasons.  trading him now would be just ridiculous. you don't throw an asset like that away in his prime. teams wait decades for a player like that to come along. 

I actually wouldn’t be all that surprised if embiid sometime in the next 2 years asks to be traded. Let’s be honest here, the last great tradable asset the 76ers had besides Joel Embiid and maxey (who they’re not gonna trade) was Ben Simmons. That Ben Simmons trade you had to capitalize and hit it out of the park if you were going to maximize Joel Embiid career and his championship window. What they got from it was a broken down James Harden which really hinders embiid’s chances to win a title.  

So now from this point forward you have limited resources/assets and limited cap space to make the team around Joel Embiid good enough to beat a Boston team that has two young players who could potentially be a superstar and a star and a bucks team that is very good. At this very moment, the odds are very much against the 76ers building a team that’s good enough around Joel Embiid to win a title which I think embiid is going to see that realization over the next two years.

I’d make harden play on his option next year to see how much of this stink is his hammy. If this harden is what we get next year then walk away. And then either deal tobias as a expiring contract at the end of next year or let him walk the following year and have a bunch to cap space. Only issue with this is we have no clue what embiid looks like with 2 more seasons of wear and tear. He might just be coming out of his prime then  but at least you’d have harden and Harris off the books 

Unless morey pulls a rabbit out of his hat i kind of see embiid seeing the writing on the wall. there’s a chance that embiid pulls a lillard and doesn’t want to be traded. However i hope he doesn’t because he doesn’t deserve to be stuck in purgatory cause this organization has done a piss poor job building around him over the years that led us here. 

53 minutes ago, Talonblood said:

True dat. Also, look at how allstar players played under him with the Clippers. Same lethargic energy, same unprepared players, same inability to make adjustments- and the players frustration with those non adjustments, same blown leads. Doc Rivers was fired because of those blown playoff leads. Now he is doing it in Philly in back to back seasons. STOP THIS FOOL. Get rid of Harden, too. Let's get a new package of faster, athletic players. The 76ers are a boring, plodding team. Speed kills- get some.

100% this.  Build around Maxey and the few years left of Embiid and maybe they luck into a championship with the right players around them but I’m not counting on it.

so, that sucked last night. 

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I actually wouldn’t be all that surprised if embiid sometime in the next 2 years asks to be traded. Let’s be honest here, the last great tradable asset the 76ers had besides Joel Embiid and maxey (who they’re not gonna trade) was Ben Simmons. That Ben Simmons trade you had to capitalize and hit it out of the park if you were going to maximize Joel Embiid career and his championship window. What they got from it was a broken down James Harden which really hinders embiid’s chances to win a title.  

So now from this point forward you have limited resources/assets and limited cap space to make the team around Joel Embiid good enough to beat a Boston team that has two young players who could potentially be a superstar and a star and a bucks team that is very good. At this very moment, the odds are very much against the 76ers building a team that’s good enough around Joel Embiid to win a title which I think embiid is going to see that realization over the next two years.

I’d make harden play on his option next year to see how much of this stink is his hammy. If this harden is what we get next year then walk away. And then either deal tobias as a expiring contract at the end of next year or let him walk the following year and have a bunch to cap space. Only issue with this is we have no clue what embiid looks like with 2 more seasons of wear and tear. He might just be coming out of his prime then  but at least you’d have harden and Harris off the books 

Unless morey pulls a rabbit out of his hat i kind of see embiid seeing the writing on the wall. there’s a chance that embiid pulls a lillard and doesn’t want to be traded. However i hope he doesn’t because he doesn’t deserve to be stuck in purgatory cause this organization has done a piss poor job building around him over the years that led us here. 

most teams with 2-3 superstars have limited assets/cap space...celtics & bucks included...the sixers aren't alone there. i agree that the only way the sixers trade embiid is if he demands a trade. 

Wright is open to a job....

18 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

most teams with 2-3 superstars have limited assets/cap space...celtics & bucks included...the sixers aren't alone there. i agree that the only way the sixers trade embiid is if he demands a trade. 

Yes but the sixers unlike the Bucks and Celtics, have made numerous poor and not savvy moves. The sixers have made bad decision after bad decision. Go back to 2018, there’s a bunch of sixers bad moves, bad FO decisions and bad ownership. The Celtics and bucks don’t nearly have that as much as the sixers do. If the Celtics get to the ECF this year that’s 4 of the last 6 years. Last year was their worse year but they made good moves and hires this past offseason  bucks always finding ways to get guys to join and made good moves to improve the roster. (Also difference Celtics have two legitimate stars (Tatum is a superstar) and bucks have a superstar in Giannis and two all star type players in their primes in holiday and middleton. Sixers have embiid. A shell of himself harden, a guy in Harris who is solid but not worth what he’s being paid and hopefully maxey one day. It is a stark contrast between Celtics and bucks vs. sixers with superstars with limited assets/cap

There’s a difference between limited assets/cap space and being good at what you do most of the time. And then there’s the sixers who have limited assets/cap space and seemingly continue to make poor decisions that hurt the franchise. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yes but the sixers unlike the Bucks and Celtics, have made numerous poor and not savvy moves. The sixers have made bad decision after bad decision. Go back to 2018, there’s a bunch of sixers bad moves, bad FO decisions and bad ownership. The Celtics and bucks don’t nearly have that as much as the sixers do. If the Celtics get to the ECF this year that’s 4 of the last 6 years. Last year was their worse year but they made good moves and hires this past offseason  bucks always finding ways to get guys to join and made good moves to improve the roster. 

There’s a difference between limited assets/cap space and being good at what you do most of the time. And then there’s the sixers who have limited assets/cap space and seemingly continue to make poor decisions that hurt the franchise. 

i agree but the front office isn't going to trade themselves.   i mean....a front office like this trading a mvp candidate in his prime would be a disaster. i fail to see the upside. 

18 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

i agree but the front office isn't going to trade themselves.   i mean....a front office like this trading a mvp candidate in his prime would be a disaster. i fail to see the upside. 

Tbh not just the front office making moves, it’s their ownership group. Their ownership sucks and has since the days of the process.

That said the sixers are stuck in a purgatory where they are going to waste embiid’s career being good but not good enough. The biggest difference between the sixers vs. Celtics and bucks is their owners aren’t incompetent in whom they hire and put in charge. plus their front office is actually savvy when hit with limited resources and cap space due to their superstars. I’d actually be shocked if the sixers were able to catch and surpass the bucks or Celtics over the next 2 years. That’s painful to say cause i hate the Celtics as much as the cowboys, giants, mets and Ben Simmons. Unless harden’s hammy heals next year and he’s a superstar again i see sixers basically in the same spot and embiid growing frustrated by the end of next year 

9 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Tbh not just the front office making moves, it’s their ownership group. Their ownership sucks and has since the days of the process.

That said the sixers are stuck in a purgatory where they are going to waste embiid’s career being good but not good enough. The biggest difference between the sixers vs. Celtics and bucks is their owners aren’t incompetent in whom they hire and put in charge. plus their front office is actually savvy when hit with limited resources and cap space due to their superstars. I’d actually be shocked if the sixers were able to catch and surpass the bucks or Celtics over the next 2 years. That’s painful to say cause i hate the Celtics as much as the cowboys, giants, mets and Ben Simmons 

I mean letting Brodgan go for nothing wasn't a brilliant move but getting Jrue for a few 1st looks like a great move. 

The assets the Sixers have just aren't great and the Sixers need to cross their fingers that they can get Harden to sign a 2 year max deal and not 5. He signs a 5 year deal, then this era with Embiid is over. Tobias has 2 years left at 38 and 40 million. Who the hell is going to want that? Have to trade assets with it and they already gave them away for Harden. 

The Celtics look really really good and Tatum looks like he has taken the leap to superstar. Always take the long shot creator wing over any position in modern basketball. Boston fans are horrible and as much as like Tatum I am hoping for misery for them.

 

8 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

I mean letting Brodgan go for nothing wasn't a brilliant move but getting Jrue for a few 1st looks like a great move. 

The assets the Sixers have just aren't great and the Sixers need to cross their fingers that they can get Harden to sign a 2 year max deal and not 5. He signs a 5 year deal, then this era with Embiid is over. Tobias has 2 years left at 38 and 40 million. Who the hell is going to want that? Have to trade assets with it and they already gave them away for Harden. 

The Celtics look really really good and Tatum looks like he has taken the leap to superstar. Always take the long shot creator wing over any position in modern basketball. Boston fans are horrible and as much as like Tatum I am hoping for misery for them.

 

Brogdon going was one of the few non good moves by the bucks. The difference is that was a bad move they didn’t compound it by making another two or three bad moves.  The Sixers will make a bad move like drafting fultz then trade away Mikal Bridges and then the following off-season signing al horford. The sixers just continuously find ways to make bad moves. I feel like the George Costanza Seinfeld episode where maybe the sixers need to start doing the opposite of what they normally would and it might begin to work out for them. Lol 

Honestly i said before i make harden play next year on his option. See where he is. If he still stinks let him walk. next offseason harris is also an expiring contract. So could let him either play it out and walk at year’s end or use his expiring contract but really have limited resources to get something valuable back. If you let both walk for 2024 offseason you’ll have cap space available. Problem is 2 more years of wear on embiid and who wants to come here. 

agreed on Boston misery. 
 

 

In a meeting with Nets officials and Rich Paul on Sunday, Ben Simmons told those in the room that a mental block exists for him, dating in part to last summer’s postseason, which is creating stress that could serve as a trigger point for his back issues.

 

Full excerpt:

Sunday’s events triggered frustration and disheartenment throughout the organization, multiple sources said. The fallout of Simmons being ruled out Sunday led to a meeting among franchise officials, Simmons and his agent, Klutch Sports CEO Rich Paul, on Monday in Brooklyn. According to sources, Simmons told those in the room that a mental block exists for him, dating in part to last summer’s postseason, which is creating stress that could serve as a trigger point for his back issues. He added that he does want to play basketball and play for the Nets as he works on solutions in regard to his well-being.

7 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

In a meeting with Nets officials and Rich Paul on Sunday, Ben Simmons told those in the room that a mental block exists for him, dating in part to last summer’s postseason, which is creating stress that could serve as a trigger point for his back issues.

 

Full excerpt:

Sunday’s events triggered frustration and disheartenment throughout the organization, multiple sources said. The fallout of Simmons being ruled out Sunday led to a meeting among franchise officials, Simmons and his agent, Klutch Sports CEO Rich Paul, on Monday in Brooklyn. According to sources, Simmons told those in the room that a mental block exists for him, dating in part to last summer’s postseason, which is creating stress that could serve as a trigger point for his back issues. He added that he does want to play basketball and play for the Nets as he works on solutions in regard to his well-being.

 

It would have been nice to get a better return in that trade (Haliburton/Hield), but the important part was just getting that mental midget out of Philly. 

 

46 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

I mean letting Brodgan go for nothing wasn't a brilliant move but getting Jrue for a few 1st looks like a great move. 

The assets the Sixers have just aren't great and the Sixers need to cross their fingers that they can get Harden to sign a 2 year max deal and not 5. He signs a 5 year deal, then this era with Embiid is over. Tobias has 2 years left at 38 and 40 million. Who the hell is going to want that? Have to trade assets with it and they already gave them away for Harden. 

The Celtics look really really good and Tatum looks like he has taken the leap to superstar. Always take the long shot creator wing over any position in modern basketball. Boston fans are horrible and as much as like Tatum I am hoping for misery for them.

 

The Celtics success makes all of this sting even more.  In the second week of January the Cs were 18-21 and we were 23-16.  We were in the hunt for the #1 seed with a max contract slot not having played a single minute.  Obviously any solid trade was going to make us even better, right?  In fact, around that time many Cs fans were on board with sending Brown for Simmons. 

All was right with the world.  Fast forward to late April and it's doomsday in the PHL and those pasty dorks in Beantown are talking NBA Finals.  What the F happened!? 

2 hours ago, mr_hunt said:

embiid is in his prime and (most likely) mvp runner up the past 2 seasons.  trading him now would be just ridiculous. you don't throw an asset like that away in his prime. teams wait decades for a player like that to come along. 

we are still waiting for a player like that to come along and actually help us in the playoffs. Embiid unfortunately seems like he will never, ever be that guy. 

How valuable is a regular season only type of player?