9 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

Serious question… If Reed was given back up minutes all year, would he have been polished enough to make up the difference in this series?

Probably not. He isn't very good. He was just the best bad option we had. However with that said it would have been nice to get guys like Reed, Bassey, and Joe some minutes. We played plenty of bad teams where they could have gotten playing time. 

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

They are definitely up there. There’s a ton of issues and people to blame in this. Legitimately ownership has a big piece as they allowed the nba to bully them into colangelo. Hinkie also has some blame where he drafted okafor who was a dinosaur in this era (granted also rumor sixers ownership wanted okafor and not porzingis like he wanted cause they didn’t want a tank year to show for nothing). Colangelo pissing away assets in trading up for fultz and taking Simmons over Ingram (hindsight on the Simmons makes it look worse now). Ownership giving way too much power to Brett. Then Brett brown and brand making dumb decisions with cap space and trading away bridges. And now morey only zeroing in on harden finished it off. 

The reality is this is the culmination of bad ownership along with bad decision makers over a 5 to 6 year window that has led to the roster and purgatory you see right now. 

I only believe in 2 conspiracy theories. 1. the CIA killed JFK, and 2. the NBA draft lottery is rigged every year. I believe the NBA gave us the 1 pick in exchange for hiring Colangelo and abandoning the process. 

And PS....Eric Spoelstra might very well be the best Head Coach in the NBA......

3 minutes ago, NYEagle said:

F Reed...how about Bassey?  Or Isiah Joe?  Or any young players that had enough young legs to actually, you know, go get a rebound?  Miami has what..like f'ing 6 undrafted players playing and playing well?

Young legs? It was a 37 yr old PJ Tucker running circles around Harden for offensive rebounds. Harden literally did nothing last night. 

1 minute ago, Gannan said:

Probably not. He isn't very good. He was just the best bad option we had. However with that said it would have been nice to get guys like Reed, Bassey, and Joe some minutes. We played plenty of bad teams where they could have gotten playing time. 

I forgot about Bassey. I don’t think Joe has it. He isn’t strong enough nor quick enough and his 3 point shooting is streaky. If he doesn’t take a big step forward next year, he will be a Korkmaz at best. 

4 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

Who is realistically available for Tobi and Matisse? We saw the major regression in Matisse but the rest of the league is always a year behind. Tobi had a good last season and decent playoffs this season. 

Donovan Mitchell (I can dream), Bradly Beal, Gordan Hayward

2 minutes ago, NYEagle said:

And PS....Eric Spoelstra might very well be the best Head Coach in the NBA......

It really isn't up for debate 

It might be time to blow the whole thing up…

Harden and Harris both need to go. Doc needs to be fired. I’d be 100% on board with getting rid of anyone other than Maxey… that includes Embiid. 
 

Embiid is obviously a great player, but they are in a position where I just don’t see a path to putting a championship team around him in the next 2-3 years. And by then he is almost sure to be on a major decline. It may be best for the team to move him to rebuild the roster, and frankly they’d be doing him a favor if they send him to a more favorable situation. 
 

I would HATE to see him go. But Embiid holds a ton of value as a trade chip. I think you seriously consider gutting the team, and keeping Maxey as a potential future star for the long-term. 
 

The alternative is to keep Embiid and try to trade Harris and Harden, but I just don’t see them bringing the type of value that will move the needle at all. 

4 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

Serious question… If Reed was given back up minutes all year, would he have been polished enough to make up the difference in this series?

No. 

The Sixers would have been better off in games one and two. Still don’t think they win those games. They needed embiid healthy.

even If reed was a competent backup center, the sixers have too many Deficiencies elsewhere.
 

—Being as reliant as they were on 34 year old Danny green is an issue. No way he should be starting or averaging 30 mins a night at this point of his career. He should be a 15-20 mins a night to maximize him at this stage.

—Tobias Harris is not good enough on a championship contending team. He was the first 8 games of the playoffs. But then the accumulation of minutes and having to be more of a defensive force caught up to him. You could see him wearing down to the point where he started reverting back to what we’ve seen over his history in the playoffs as the Sixers got deeper into second round series. He’d disappear on offense for long stretches. Last night he went from the end of the first quarter to 1:51 left In the 3rd without scoring. (He did similar in games 4 and 5). He had 7 points in the 4th quarter when the game was decided. You can’t be paying him the money he is making and him disappear as a scorer as games get bigger. 

— harden is a shell of what he was. Frankly he’s just not a winner. when he left Durant and westbrook to go to houston he was an incredible offensive talent. However his teams also came up short and he’d seemingly always disappear when they needed him the most. 

— Love Maxey but he’s 21 years old. We forget he’s that young because he’s been so good all year. However there was always going to be growing pains in the playoffs. This is really his first rodeo because he didn’t this type of play and minutes last year.

— embiid not being healthy. you saw it at the end he just couldn’t consistently what he had given them prior to the injuries. Also love embiid but he threw guys under the bus again and his demeanor going into game 5 and after felt like this series was over.

— hate seeing green get hurt. But the fact we rely as much as we do on green at 34 year’s old goes back to how many misses and mistakes have been made over time with this roster. I blame danny less because he was forced into a role he has no business being in at 34. 

— even if reed was good, the rest of the bench is bad and not championship caliber. I’d argue the last 2 years the sixers have had one of the worst benches of any playoff team. 

To be fair, the idea was that Thybulle after the Olympics was going to take this big step forward this year and Green would go back to being a role player coming off the bench. Thybulle actually got worse as the season went on.  The fact that Thybulle, Shake, and Kork all got worse this year instead of better was a huge part of the failure that was this season.  I don't expect any of them to be back next year. 

14 minutes ago, nipples said:

They aren’t wrong that they need a star. The problem is the instead traded for a (rapidly) falling star. 

100% agree they needed one. However I think the Sixers ownership knew they had an in with harden as Rubin was good friends with harden. So they went all in on getting Morey knowing that Harden wanted out of Houston so that gave them another foot in the door to make it much more realistic to get him to Philadelphia.

It backfired initially because the Houston Rockets owner didn’t want to deal with Daryl Morey. Which actually saved the sixers with maxey. Ultimately instead of seeing what harden was with the nets and moving onto another target morey and ownership jumped back in. 

I was gonna post this last night but I don’t think it’s a coincidence that rumors leaked out that embiid preferred Bradley Beal over James Harden. And I don’t think it’s a coincidence that last night he said what he did about Harden and butler. I think that was a shot back to morey and the ownership that they should have listened to him with beal. And the whole Butler comments I think was also a shot at the sixers because he wanted to keep Jimmy Butler back then and they didn’t listen to him then either. 

29 minutes ago, nipples said:

It might be time to blow the whole thing up…

Harden and Harris both need to go. Doc needs to be fired. I’d be 100% on board with getting rid of anyone other than Maxey… that includes Embiid. 
 

Embiid is obviously a great player, but they are in a position where I just don’t see a path to putting a championship team around him in the next 2-3 years. And by then he is almost sure to be on a major decline. It may be best for the team to move him to rebuild the roster, and frankly they’d be doing him a favor if they send him to a more favorable situation. 
 

I would HATE to see him go. But Embiid holds a ton of value as a trade chip. I think you seriously consider gutting the team, and keeping Maxey as a potential future star for the long-term. 
 

The alternative is to keep Embiid and try to trade Harris and Harden, but I just don’t see them bringing the type of value that will move the needle at all. 

This is why I brought this up a couple days ago. Not because i want to deal him. I’d much rather build a contender with him and run it into the ground trying. However the Sixers continuously Fing up and wasting the assets and capital they had has put them in a position where its really hard to imagine any way possible to build a roster that is better than the teams ahead of them. They just don’t have those assets anymore to do it unless you’re willing to trade maxey which at this point would be stupid 

Nobody on here should want to trade embiid the because of how good he is and how hard it is to acquire a player like him. The problem is you Fed up so many times that now you’re stuck in a purgatory with him and wasting his career and his value 

His value is never going to get better as he gets older. It is only going to decline because he’s had so many injuries and you don’t know how long he’s going to stay at his prime. So if you wait 2 years, you’re still stuck in this purgatory (likely) and then he asked out then you were likely going to get even less for him then. So his max value is right now. So it is a tough decision to say we should just keep continue to try to build this roster into a championship contender when you look at the bigger picture they don’t have the assets or Cap space to probably do that. So you’re gonna waste his career and the value over time.

You could probably trade James Harden either during the off-season or at the trade deadline because he’s an expiring contract when he opts into 22-23. But I don’t see the Sixers giving up Ben Simmons to then just let James Harden walk or trade away as an expiring contract and getting minimal return. Not saying that’s what i do. just how k see the sixers operating 

And I’ll say this with Tobias Harris nobody wants him. He’s making way too much money. On a bad team he looks great. On a championship contender when you ask him to be a guy that gives you more as the games get bigger he can’t do it. Go look at the last three games of the series. He disappear for long stretches. in game 4 he didn’t score from 4:29 of the 2nd quarter to 10:56 of the 4th quarter. So a quarter and a half he disappeared. In game 5, he didn’t score from 1:29 of the 1st quarter to 6:35 of the 3rd quarter. Last night he went from end of the 1st quarter to 1:51 left in the 3rd before scoring again. This has realistically been what Tobias Harris does every time the Sixers get deeper into a second round playoff series. He disappears as the series continues on.  I said this when they traded for harris that if Jerry West is coming to you about trading for Tobias Harris because he doesn’t believe he’s worth the money on a championship caliber roster that you shouldn’t either. And the Sixers were dumb and they did it anyways.

2 hours ago, mikemack8 said:

I know man I'm just messing with you

Anyway - I feel for Joel.  He can be a baby at times but the dude has been a perennial MVP candidate.  With the slop they're running out there with him year after year though he's never gonna break through.  Need Maxey to take the next step and burn the rest of it to the ground, start over and hope they hit on a few guys.  

I feel bad for him too because he really poured his heart and soul in to it this year. 

At the same time. I can't completely buy the narrative of not putting a good enough team around him because every year his diminished play due to injuries and/or stamina becomes one of our biggest issues. 

He has to become just a contributor to a championship team rather than being the centerpiece.  Because through no fault of his own,  you just can't rely on him. 

I can buy Harden on less than max as a steady vet PG. But since they really can't do much to add to that,  he actually needs to go and be replaced with someone in their prime (a la Beal) so that we have someone who can step up and help Joel carry the team when needed. 

1 hour ago, Khani1 said:

Serious question… If Reed was given back up minutes all year, would he have been polished enough to make up the difference in this series?

No

1 hour ago, Khani1 said:

Who is realistically available for Tobi and Matisse? We saw the major regression in Matisse but the rest of the league is always a year behind. Tobi had a good last season and decent playoffs this season. 

I still say Julius Randle.

And Harden for Beal.

57 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

I forgot about Bassey. I don’t think Joe has it. He isn’t strong enough nor quick enough and his 3 point shooting is streaky. If he doesn’t take a big step forward next year, he will be a Korkmaz at best. 

Not sure.  He added a lot to his game as it showed in summer league. 

He still has to add more strength and consistency.  But he has a shot. 

Not everyone develops as rapidly as Maxey. Joe has time.  But I agree he needs to be capable of playing next year.  To show his improvements in regular season, not just SL.

46 minutes ago, Gannan said:

To be fair, the idea was that Thybulle after the Olympics was going to take this big step forward this year and Green would go back to being a role player coming off the bench. Thybulle actually got worse as the season went on.  The fact that Thybulle, Shake, and Kork all got worse this year instead of better was a huge part of the failure that was this season.  I don't expect any of them to be back next year. 

I don't think international play and the hope of building confidence there is the career boost it is made out to be.  They have to practice in the role that team wants them in. 

Individual development is not focused on at all.  I think that was horrible for Thybulle. 

6 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I still say Julius Randle.

And Harden for Beal.

Yeah don’t see that happening from the wizards side of things. Not enough assets going to the wizards to do it as harden is a diminishing return, thybulle lost value and the sixers really don’t have draft picks they can afford to give up after the Simmons deal. 

that said I don’t think it was a coincidence that there was a leak saying Joel Embiid preferred Bradley Beal over James Harden a couple weeks ago. I think that was put out there with a purpose. I say that there’s a potential rift going on behind the scenes but I don’t think Its provable but i could see jt formulating. The fact that he said he can’t believe we let Jimmy Butler go right after a season ending loss seems like a shot to the sixers ownership and front office for allowing that to happen and listening to what Simmons wanted and not what he wanted at that time. I also don’t think it was a coincidence that he took a shot at James Harden last night because he really doesn’t care if harden gets offended as he’s annoyed and not thrilled to be playing with James Harden when he could’ve been playing Bradley Beal who he preferred. 

1 hour ago, nipples said:

It might be time to blow the whole thing up…

Harden and Harris both need to go. Doc needs to be fired. I’d be 100% on board with getting rid of anyone other than Maxey… that includes Embiid. 
 

Embiid is obviously a great player, but they are in a position where I just don’t see a path to putting a championship team around him in the next 2-3 years. And by then he is almost sure to be on a major decline. It may be best for the team to move him to rebuild the roster, and frankly they’d be doing him a favor if they send him to a more favorable situation. 
 

I would HATE to see him go. But Embiid holds a ton of value as a trade chip. I think you seriously consider gutting the team, and keeping Maxey as a potential future star for the long-term. 
 

The alternative is to keep Embiid and try to trade Harris and Harden, but I just don’t see them bringing the type of value that will move the needle at all. 

Agreed.  I wouldn’t be opposed to them seeing what they can get for Embiid.  It’ll at least shorten the rebuild because you’d get a hell of a package.  I love Embiid but he’s always hurt at the worst times and it’s been several years now that it’s been the case.

5 minutes ago, GoEagles5921 said:

Agreed.  I wouldn’t be opposed to them seeing what they can get for Embiid.  It’ll at least shorten the rebuild because you’d get a hell of a package.  I love Embiid but he’s always hurt at the worst times and it’s been several years now that it’s been the case.

The sixers will never do it until embiid asks to deal him. Not that i wouldn’t consider it. Love embiid but he’s going to ask to be traded at some point cause this roster is doomed due to lack of assets and cap space. So it’s eventually coming. It’s a matter of when he does it. Now is peak value for embiid. 2 years likely getting less with wear and tear and embiid possible decline and demanding out. Frankly if they deal embiid and hit a homerun type deal now it helps with the rebuild. If they do it down the road likely less of a return and maxey is in the situation jrue was in with the pre-process sixers which is a fringe playoff team that didn’t have title aspirations. 

i think this off-season is huge and wouldn't be shocked if we see embiid request a trade if things don't improve...maybe not right away but possibly at the deadline or next off-season if the roster isn't working out.

11 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

All the more reason to trade Harris now. Trade Hardin. Fire Rivers.

At this point, I'm all for deleting the mentally and physically weak players from the team, and adding mentally and physically strong players. How do they do it? Well, let's see how good Morey really is. He can get stars to come to his teams, but can he get tough role players like  Marcus Smart, Tucker, types- that will battle come playoff time? That's what the team needs. TOUGH, fearless players who will battle you in the playoffs.

4 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

i think this off-season is huge and wouldn't be shocked if we see embiid request a trade if things don't improve...maybe not right away but possibly at the deadline or next off-season if the roster isn't working out.

I was having those same thoughts. If he starts to think ownership and the GM can't get things right, he is moving on. If he believes in them, and they make moves to get tough players on the team, he stays and rides it out.

14 hours ago, Texas Eagle said:

No other teams are touching anyone other than Embiid/Maxey. I meant Harden will find a home but we’re stuck with Tobias.

I think we all would be surprised how many teams would take a Harden, Harris , Thybulle, etc. Teams WILL take those guys,  because the NBA is a weird place where things like that happen all the time. Example: Westbrook to LA? Impossible, yet....

7 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

i think this off-season is huge and wouldn't be shocked if we see embiid request a trade if things don't improve...maybe not right away but possibly at the deadline or next off-season if the roster isn't working out.

If he’s hurt for the playoffs next year, I’d be all for trading Embiid.

I'm starting to think it doesn't matter as long Bucks have a prime Giannis and he is healthy. He is only 27 so at least another 5 years.