9 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

@DaEagles4Life now could see the suns potentially trading Ayton in a sign and trade after that epic collapse and what was said in the presser when he only played 17 mins. 

Yup. Just came to talk about it. Myles Turner possibly in a sign and trade. Or a PJ Washington and Mason Plumlee for him to get some calhe

Thought about Grizzlies but we already paying enough of dudew

8 hours ago, therealdawk said:

Late February who had not one of the Suns/Grizz/Bucks/Nets/Sixers making the Conference Finals?

And now we gotta hear about "Heat Culture" vs "Celtics Lore" for the next two weeks.   🤮

I'm rooting for Luka and that about it. Think the Mavs have the wings to slow down the Warriors and honestly Warriors did not look great vs the Grizzlies 

Here is my frustration with Embiid…and I am NOT one of those people that has ever complained about what he has said or his body language (only his injuries).

He just said "I don’t know what else I have to do” about the MVP race.  And in a way, he was right. However, going on at the same time as that comment and mvp frustration, Embiid was, at absolute best, the 4th most valuable player in the Eastern conference playoffs (not even accounting for the whole nba).

I wouldn’t dare call him a choker…this is more injury and wear/tear related for a huge big man…but it’s a huge problem for a team that is built around a superstar in a lopsided fashion without ideal surrounding talent… when that superstar is consistently a shell of himself in the playoffs.

Dear mother of god… 

 

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Dear mother of god… 

 

Bill Marks at ESPN is already saying LaVine is an option. 

11 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Bill Marks at ESPN is already saying LaVine is an option. 

Tbh i like both beal and Lavine. I’d take Lavine over beal. I just think he gives you some size at 6’6, athleticism and can shoot. The sixers don’t have that. The issue with maxey, harden and beal is maxey is forced to come off the bench due to beal and harden starting backcourt. Which means you still have to find 2 more starters with green being done and Harris being gone at that point. Not able to start all 3 of those guys together due to severely lack of size with beal and maxey. We’d actually get worse at rebounding. Not that Lavine is a great rebounder or anything but lack of size also will hurt the sixers defensively. Lavine was bad defensively this year but most of his career he’s been competent. Some years he’s actually been good like 2019-20 and 17-18 where he was a 110 and 111 defensive rating respectively. Actually think not having to be the guy on offense like those bulls teams so he can conserve some energy and with embiid his defensive ability might improve. With Lavine you can start harden, maxey, Lavine, find a stretch 4 that is also a decent rebounder and embiid.  

11 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Tbh i like both beal and Lavine. I’d take Lavine over beal. I just think he gives you some size at 6’6, athleticism and can shoot. The sixers don’t have that. The issue with maxey, harden and beal is maxey is forced to come off the bench due to beal and harden starting backcourt. Which means you still have to find 2 more starters with green being done and Harris being gone at that point. Not able to start all 3 of those guys together due to severely lack of size with beal and maxey. We’d actually get worse at rebounding. Not that Lavine is a great rebounder or anything but lack of size also will hurt the sixers defensively. Lavine was bad defensively this year but most of his career he’s been competent. Some years he’s actually been good like 2019-20 and 17-18 where he was a 110 and 111 defensive rating respectively. Actually think not having to be the guy on offense like those bulls teams so he can conserve some energy and with embiid his defensive ability might improve. With Lavine you can start harden, maxey, Lavine, find a stretch 4 that is also a decent rebounder and embiid.  

Yeah… I’d love to have Beal, but I think it would make more sense if Harden wasn’t here. If Harden is a Sixer, which is pretty much a guarantee IMO, then Lavine would be the better option in terms of fit.

 

 

Who would want that Harris contract and can Sixers even give up picks to help unload it. 

Then is your LaVine your main wing? Defensively that isn't great 

This isn't realistic, at all, but think you have to get Tobias attached to Ayton or Rudy Gobert trade potential. Can't trade him straight up for another team

Just now, DaEagles4Life said:

Who would want that Harris contract and can Sixers even give up picks to help unload it. 

Then is your LaVine your main wing? Defensively that isn't great 

This isn't realistic, at all, but think you have to get Tobias attached to Ayton or Rudy Gobert trade potential. Can't trade him straight up for another team

I told my friend who’s a suns fan to get prepared for potentially a bunch of rumors with Simmons. I heard from one of the Arizona coaches that was a player development coach with the suns prior to coming to Arizona that they’d like to get a defender that can guard guys like luka (wasn’t specifically naming luka  but just no. 1 scoring options for their opponents). they have bridges but they rather him be the secondary defender on opposing teams secondary scorers. not the primary defender on a guy like luka, Steph or ja whom they are going to run into going forward. Plus they could use Simmons as their 5 instead of ayton who at times can be a great rebounder and other times shies away.  western conference has kat, ad and joker. Curious to see how he would hold up against those 3. Also allows them to not play Paul as much during the regular season as they can put the ball in Simmons, Booker and payne’s hands more to keep him fresh. I do think it might be weird between Simmons and Booker given the whole Kendall Jenner thing  

the nets perspective it makes sense. They need a big. I actually think ayton if used properly could be better than what he’s shown with the suns. He’s got a nice midrange game and i think eventually could extend it a little more. I think the issue with ayton might be more does he want to be 3rd option once again. I know his people believe he should get more touches and shots already. But he’s a good fit for what the nets could use and would be good value considering who the hell knows with Simmons. I’m guessing nets could likely pry someone like Saric or shamet in that deal as well depending on what they give up. Which would help the nets depth. 

Lavine is a eh defender. He’s had years where he was actually good. 2017-18 he was a 111 rating. And 2019-20 he was a 110. I would’ve thought with derozan and having to exert less energy on offense that he’d improve defensively last year. He got worse. Although i do think with harden, maxey and embiid so he doesn’t have to exert as much on the offensive end and having embiid defensively he could be better here. 

Where do you see as potential destinations for Tobias? I honestly can't find a spot 

Just now, DaEagles4Life said:

Where do you see as potential destinations for Tobias? I honestly can't find a spot 

The problem with tobias is his contract has two years left on it and not one. If he had one he’s much easier to move in the offseason as it’s expiring contract. Even at the deadline it’s easier cause he has less than a season and a half and the team acquiring him that offseason could use him as an expiring contract.

his last 3 playoff games was a revert to exactly what the issue has been with tobias for his tenure here. He disappears and fades away as the games get bigger. Frankly i think the sixers likely have to dump him off on a team like Orlando or Okc who’s willing to take him and some sort of assets so the sixers can clear the cap space.

If we are talking about a team in terms of fit (where money/cap isn’t an issue and just teams i think would consider it).  i think team like Portland depending if they strike out on bigger fish. If they miss our i think they’d pivot to someone like him. I think the pacers depending on how they feel about buddy hield. I know they love Duarte and Duarte is a cheaper younger more upside defensively version of hield. Would have brogdon, haliburton, Duarte, Harris and turner as your starters. I think a team like Detroit might welcome his leadership and experience for 2 years to help that team grow. But really it’s pretty limited in and some of these are a stretch but i at least could see it. 

On the Lavine front, his agent/agency is rich Paul and klutch. So not sure how that works out with the whole Ben Simmons fiasco that just went on here. Then back last offseason with the BS put out there with maxey and Philly from klutch. 

24 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

On the Lavine front, his agent/agency is rich Paul and klutch. So not sure how that works out with the whole Ben Simmons fiasco that just went on here. Then back last offseason with the BS put out there with maxey and Philly from klutch. 

From a professional standpoint, one should have nothing to do with the other.

3 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

From a professional standpoint, one should have nothing to do with the other.

You’d like to think that. But then the whole maxey is going to leave  Philly story came out and it was largely attributed to klutch leaking it during the whole summer of ben situation. I’d hope it wouldn’t but Klutch also pulled what they did with Simmons so 

Then should Sixers be worried Embiid's old agent now runs the Knicks? 

3 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Then should Sixers be worried Embiid's old agent now runs the Knicks? 

I’d be more worried about him going to the Knicks if he wasn’t turning 29 next year and only having a few years left to win a title. The Knicks aren’t close enough and still going to be hard to pull in 2 stars to do it. I think if teams that already have a star in place where he can go and be a top contender without having to convince anyone else to follow him. Interesting one could be the mavericks in a year from now. Luka and embiid together would be dangerous 

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

You’d like to think that. But then the whole maxey is going to leave  Philly story came out and it was largely attributed to klutch leaking it during the whole summer of ben situation. I’d hope it wouldn’t but Klutch also pulled what they did with Simmons so 

Athletes aren't going to put up with being used by their agents to benefit another client. Not for long anyway.  It's unethical and if was happening they'd find another agent.  There's plenty of good ones out there.

25 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

Athletes aren't going to put up with being used by their agents to benefit another client. Not for long anyway.  It's unethical and if was happening they'd find another agent.  There's plenty of good ones out there.

Ok. But that doesn’t mean klutch won’t tell him about the things that happened with Ben Simmons on his way out that they felt was wrong by the sixers (wasn’t but their perspective) and how they truly feel about the sixers organization after working with them for years to potentially steer Lavine away from the sixers. He hired klutch as he trusts them and what they’ve done. So when they go into why they believe he shouldn’t go to the sixers organization he likely is going to trust as they’ve dealt with the sixers on a long term basis before and he hasn’t. Zach Lavine is gonna get paid regardless of where he goes. So if they talk to him and tell him this isn’t an ideal place you want to go because of these things we’ve dealt within the past. it’s going to sway him to choose somewhere else. And he still will get get paid and land in a place he wants to be  

They don’t even have to use other clients to benefit Lavine. They can tell them about everything the company itself has had to deal with the sixers organization for years now. The end of Ben Simmons saga isn’t just about Ben Simmons relationship with sixers. (That grievance is also going into the offseason. I’m guessing not working in the sixers favor when dealing with klutch and clients.) it’s also  the relationship with klutch, the sixers and how klutch views the sixers organization being good or bad for their clients long term careers after everything. I’m guessing the endorsement from klutch on the sixers organization and dealing with morey isn’t going to be flattering at the moment to their clients.

Maxey loves it here so I’d try to use that as my advantage if klutch goes in that direction if i were the sixers. 

24 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Ok. But that doesn’t mean klutch won’t tell him about the things that happened with Ben Simmons on his way out that they felt was wrong by the sixers (wasn’t but their perspective) and how they truly feel about the sixers organization after working with them for years to potentially steer Lavine away from the sixers. He hired klutch as he trusts them and what they’ve done. So when they go into why they believe he shouldn’t go to the sixers organization he likely is going to trust as they’ve dealt with the sixers on a long term basis before and he hasn’t. Zach Lavine is gonna get paid regardless of where he goes. So if they talk to him and tell him this isn’t an ideal place you want to go because of these things we’ve dealt within the past. it’s going to sway him to choose somewhere else. And he still will get get paid and land in a place he wants to be  

They don’t even have to use other clients to benefit Lavine. They can tell them about everything the company itself has had to deal with the sixers organization for years now. The end of Ben Simmons saga isn’t just about Ben Simmons relationship with sixers. (That grievance is also going into the offseason. I’m guessing not working in the sixers favor when dealing with klutch and clients.) it’s also  the relationship with klutch, the sixers and how klutch views the sixers organization being good or bad for their clients long term careers after everything. I’m guessing the endorsement from klutch on the sixers organization and dealing with morey isn’t going to be flattering at the moment to their clients.

Maxey loves it here so I’d try to use that as my advantage if klutch goes in that direction if i were the sixers. 

Eh. By burning bridges Clutch would be doing every one of their clients a disservice. It doesn't (shouldn't) work that way.  With the exception of benchmarks, every transaction is supposed to be treated seperately.

21 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

Eh. By burning bridges Clutch would be doing every one of their clients a disservice. It doesn't (shouldn't) work that way.  With the exception of benchmarks, every transaction is supposed to be treated seperately.

Doesn’t and shouldn’t are two different things. They definitely shouldn’t do it. However if they leaked crap out about maxey being here during the Ben Simmons situation then they are likely going to not speak very highly of going to the sixers/morey with other multiple options on the table for Lavine.

If klutch really cared about what they should and shouldn’t do then the Ben Simmons situation wouldn’t have played out the way it did. Some of the stuff during this was complete Bs on their part. Heck they told Ben one thing about getting his money and they turned out to be wrong on it. 

let’s also just point out Nerlens Noel is currently suing Rich Paul. Part of that is the Sixers reached out to klutch and Paul didn’t respond and it cost him money. Yet Lavine is still with klutch and if klutch did that then, told maxey to cancel charity events in Philly and wanted him to be part of a Simmons trade, what makes you think after this Simmons situation it’s going to be better with klutch and their client and telling them Philly is a great organization and the place to be?

Yes what you are saying shouldn’t happen. What klutch has shown you time and again with the sixers that it "doesnt happen like” that isn’t true. Tbh i think klutch is pretty shady. 

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

Wrong thread brah.  

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Wrong thread brah.  

Damnit 

18 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Damnit 

I can understand the confusion though. Both teams that aren’t winning a title anytime soon due to poor roster construction. 

2 minutes ago, nipples said:

I can understand the confusion though. Both teams that aren’t winning a title anytime soon due to poor roster construction. 

Also both red white and blue. Lol 

1 hour ago, nipples said:

I can understand the confusion though. Both teams that aren’t winning a title anytime soon due to poor roster construction. 

Phillies have a better roster.  But they both have veteran HC/Managers that are living off of their past accomplishments and think they are better that what they actually are.