5 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Would you have preferred that deal? I think I would have. Haliburton is just getting started and is playing lights out at 21 yrs old

yes and it would have still allowed the potential to free up space to go get Harden in the summer, or someone else like potentially LaVine, or a trade for someone else.

4 minutes ago, nipples said:

It’s a tough one because I think undoubtedly Harden gives them a better chance this year and next at a title. If they don’t get it done in the next couple seasons, then I think we will be wishing we got the Kings deal done. Haliburton is the better option 3+ years from now. 

It was Haliburton, Hield, and Barnes. Harris and Ben out. With Harris and Ben out, and then tradeing Barnes expiring contract theyd have cap space for a big time player, while also having Haliburton and Hield. Its better in every way.

Now, Morey has 2 ways to still come out of this one like roses. 1. They win the finals this year with Harden. or 2. They still find a way to get another max player or enough other significant contributors to join next year and win the finals next year.

4 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

It was Haliburton, Hield, and Barnes. Harris and Ben out. With Harris and Ben out, and then tradeing Barnes expiring contract theyd have cap space for a big time player, while also having Haliburton and Hield. Its better in every way.

Now, Morey has 2 ways to still come out of this one like roses. 1. They win the finals this year with Harden. or 2. They still find a way to get another max player or enough other significant contributors to join next year and win the finals next year.

He definitely was short sighted on this whole ordeal and in a way I guess he had to be because we don't know how long Embiids window is open for. Then again we don't know how long Hardens is either. This could be 1 and done with nothing left to build around.  

10 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

He definitely was short sighted on this whole ordeal and in a way I guess he had to be because we don't know how long Embiids window is open for. Then again we don't know how long Hardens is either. This could be 1 and done with nothing left to build around.  

The fear is maxing him out at the full 270M.

At that point, even trading Harris doesnt really give you max space.

Hope speculation is true that he is willing to take a little less to bring in more talent. But those reports were pre-mature assumptions based on him not opting in. Later it came out that he submitted the opt-in paperwork but it didnt get processed by the deadline. 

The good news is that either way, you know hes committed to staying. The question is, at what cost?

 

Here is what he could need to leave on the table to help us, numbers are from this article https://nba.nbcsports.com/2022/02/17/rumor-james-harden-could-decline-player-option-to-allow-76ers-to-open-max-cap-space/

Max salaries generally fit into three tiers by years of experience (with 2022 free agent examples):

0-6 years (Miles Bridges)

7-9 years (Zach LaVine)

10+ (Bradley Beal)

If Philadelphia unloads Tobias Harris, here’s approximately how much Harden would have to sacrifice in 2022-23 salary to accommodate a max player with:

0-6 years experience: $25 million

7-9 years experience: $31 million

10+ years experience: $37 million

If Philadelphia trims its roster to just Embiid, Tyrese Maxey and Matisse Thybulle, here’s approximately how much Harden would have to sacrifice in 2022-23 salary to accommodate a max player with:

0-6 years experience: $5 million

7-9 years experience: $11 million

10+ years experience: $17 million

 

 

IMO him leaving out the amount of salary to just offload Harris is never going to happen. Youre asking him at a minimum to leave 25M off the table. I could maybe see him opting to leave those smaller amounts, but that requires a major teardown of the rest of the roster, like when we had to renounce rights to everyone for the Butler/Harris offseason and ended up losing Redick.

 

 

 

10 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

The fear is maxing him out at the full 270M.

At that point, even trading Harris doesnt really give you max space.

Hope speculation is true that he is willing to take a little less to bring in more talent. But those reports were pre-mature assumptions based on him not opting in. Later it came out that he submitted the opt-in paperwork but it didnt get processed by the deadline. 

The good news is that either way, you know hes committed to staying. The question is, at what cost?

 

Here is what he could need to leave on the table to help us, numbers are from this article https://nba.nbcsports.com/2022/02/17/rumor-james-harden-could-decline-player-option-to-allow-76ers-to-open-max-cap-space/

Max salaries generally fit into three tiers by years of experience (with 2022 free agent examples):

0-6 years (Miles Bridges)

7-9 years (Zach LaVine)

10+ (Bradley Beal)

If Philadelphia unloads Tobias Harris, here’s approximately how much Harden would have to sacrifice in 2022-23 salary to accommodate a max player with:

0-6 years experience: $25 million

7-9 years experience: $31 million

10+ years experience: $37 million

If Philadelphia trims its roster to just Embiid, Tyrese Maxey and Matisse Thybulle, here’s approximately how much Harden would have to sacrifice in 2022-23 salary to accommodate a max player with:

0-6 years experience: $5 million

7-9 years experience: $11 million

10+ years experience: $17 million

 

 

IMO him leaving out the amount of salary to just offload Harris is never going to happen. Youre asking him at a minimum to leave 25M off the table. I could maybe see him opting to leave those smaller amounts, but that requires a major teardown of the rest of the roster, like when we had to renounce rights to everyone for the Butler/Harris offseason and ended up losing Redick.

 

 

 

I guess we will find just how much Harden and Morey are boys. That's a lot to ask a player to give up, if all that is accurate and plays out that way. 

How about the Sixers pay a shooting coach the premium to live with Thybulle for the summer and help him shoot a corner 3. That in itself probably wins them a title. 

3 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

How about the Sixers pay a shooting coach the premium to live with Thybulle for the summer and help him shoot a corner 3. That in itself probably wins them a title. 

Yeah… don’t see him ever developing that shot. I was hopeful his rookie year that with another offseason or two he could master that shot. He’d be such a big difference maker if he could ever pair his defense with even an average three point percentage. 

6 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

How about the Sixers pay a shooting coach the premium to live with Thybulle for the summer and help him shoot a corner 3. That in itself probably wins them a title. 

It’s so weird. The form is good and you know he puts the effort in. 

Dragic signed with the Nets. Don’t understand it from his perspective if he was looking for PT but whatever. 

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/265915/Teams-Preparing-For-Damian-Lillard-Donovan-Mitchell-Zion-Williamson-Trade-Demands

 

 

ESPN reports that James was upset the Lakers didn't make a deal leading up to the trade deadline. In addition, James was even more upset when Lakers general manager Rob Pelinka said he was on board with keeping the roster whole. ESPN sources indicate James never agreed to that plan.

The belief is that James will push Los Angeles to make moves to surround him with veteran talent for another title run. And that he may make those roster-change demands before considering signing an extension this summer, when the Lakers can first offer him one.

 

 

May be looking to offload Harris in the summer to go after Mitchell or James.

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

The fear is maxing him out at the full 270M.

At that point, even trading Harris doesnt really give you max space.

Hope speculation is true that he is willing to take a little less to bring in more talent. But those reports were pre-mature assumptions based on him not opting in. Later it came out that he submitted the opt-in paperwork but it didnt get processed by the deadline. 

The good news is that either way, you know hes committed to staying. The question is, at what cost?

 

Here is what he could need to leave on the table to help us, numbers are from this article https://nba.nbcsports.com/2022/02/17/rumor-james-harden-could-decline-player-option-to-allow-76ers-to-open-max-cap-space/

Max salaries generally fit into three tiers by years of experience (with 2022 free agent examples):

0-6 years (Miles Bridges)

7-9 years (Zach LaVine)

10+ (Bradley Beal)

If Philadelphia unloads Tobias Harris, here’s approximately how much Harden would have to sacrifice in 2022-23 salary to accommodate a max player with:

0-6 years experience: $25 million

7-9 years experience: $31 million

10+ years experience: $37 million

If Philadelphia trims its roster to just Embiid, Tyrese Maxey and Matisse Thybulle, here’s approximately how much Harden would have to sacrifice in 2022-23 salary to accommodate a max player with:

0-6 years experience: $5 million

7-9 years experience: $11 million

10+ years experience: $17 million

 

 

IMO him leaving out the amount of salary to just offload Harris is never going to happen. Youre asking him at a minimum to leave 25M off the table. I could maybe see him opting to leave those smaller amounts, but that requires a major teardown of the rest of the roster, like when we had to renounce rights to everyone for the Butler/Harris offseason and ended up losing Redick.

 

 

 

If they just unload Harris and green (expiring contract) i believe it goes to $15 mil for 0-6. 

 

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

Been a fan of carter since that draft. Wanted him in round 2.

Hes a good defender who can hit 3s. Should get him.

11 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

If they just unload Harris and green (expiring contract) i believe it goes to $15 mil for 0-6. 

Thats good.

But other than the long shot of landing Mikal Bridges Im not sure who what 0-6 years max player is. And does Harden give up any amount of money for that level of player? Probably doubtful. Players are fanboys like fans. Big names all that matters. Harden likely only does it for another established superstar name. Not an up and comer like Bridges.

 

I think IF Harden chooses to leave any money on the table, its the veteran all star that requires the whole team to be depleted. 

24 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/265915/Teams-Preparing-For-Damian-Lillard-Donovan-Mitchell-Zion-Williamson-Trade-Demands

 

 

ESPN reports that James was upset the Lakers didn't make a deal leading up to the trade deadline. In addition, James was even more upset when Lakers general manager Rob Pelinka said he was on board with keeping the roster whole. ESPN sources indicate James never agreed to that plan.

The belief is that James will push Los Angeles to make moves to surround him with veteran talent for another title run. And that he may make those roster-change demands before considering signing an extension this summer, when the Lakers can first offer him one.

 

 

May be looking to offload Harris in the summer to go after Mitchell or James.

That's because lebron and AD wanted the current roster they have now and it isn't working and it's a disaster... So the FO told LeBron and AD this is the roster you wanted so go make it work or pound sand lol. They would of had to mortgage even more of the future they don't have. To fix a roster that those 2 dopes wanted. I can't say I blame them. Even though the Lakers FO still blows. 

 

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

Thats good.

But other than the long shot of landing Mikal Bridges Im not sure who what 0-6 years max player is. And does Harden give up any amount of money for that level of player? Probably doubtful. Players are fanboys like fans. Big names all that matters. Harden likely only does it for another established superstar name. Not an up and comer like Bridges.

Bridges signed a 4 year $90 contract with the suns back in December so he’s out. I actually think Harris is more viable in a trade closer to the deadline next year. He becomes an expiring contract in 23-24 season and can use green as well to matchup salary. Basically Harris is making $37.6 mil and green is making $10 mil so you can matchup with another high salary player. I’d add keeping thybulle was big cause you likely can use him as a bargaining chip depending on the player and team involved. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Bridges signed a 4 year $90 contract with the suns back in December so he’s out. I actually think Harris is more viable in a trade closer to the deadline next year. He becomes an expiring contract in 23-24 season and can use green as well to matchup salary. Basically Harris is making $37.6 mil and green is making $10 mil so you can matchup with another high salary player. I’d add keeping thybulle was big cause you likely can use him as a bargaining chip depending on the player and team involved. 

As I see it, either in the summer or at the deadline, Harris, Green, and Thybulle get traded for another star.

Some of us can want a couple solid starters to fill out the team instead of another star at this point, but itll be tough to find a team with 2-3 guys on that level to match all that salary. And that team being one who believes Harris and Thyubulle are worth losing 2-3 starters for. Highly unlikely. So the only realistic option left is bringing in another singular star piece.

 

 

52 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/265915/Teams-Preparing-For-Damian-Lillard-Donovan-Mitchell-Zion-Williamson-Trade-Demands

 

 

ESPN reports that James was upset the Lakers didn't make a deal leading up to the trade deadline. In addition, James was even more upset when Lakers general manager Rob Pelinka said he was on board with keeping the roster whole. ESPN sources indicate James never agreed to that plan.

The belief is that James will push Los Angeles to make moves to surround him with veteran talent for another title run. And that he may make those roster-change demands before considering signing an extension this summer, when the Lakers can first offer him one.

 

 

May be looking to offload Harris in the summer to go after Mitchell or James.

Bron is such an unlikeable dbag. He’s the one who wanted the roster he currently has.  Now he’s demanding they fix his mistake. 

14 minutes ago, nipples said:

Bron is such an unlikeable dbag. He’s the one who wanted the roster he currently has.  Now he’s demanding they fix his mistake. 

Yup, that's what I just wrote. The FO said make the roster you wanted work they are not going to destroy the team any further. The only tradable pick they have is a 2027 1st round pick lol. They are gonna have to blow it all up again.

Who would have thought that adding a top 5 all-time ball hog to a roster with Lebrawn and AD wouldn’t work?

11 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

Who would have thought that adding a top 5 all-time ball hog to a roster with Lebrawn and AD wouldn’t work?

Russ as good as he is. Has never once adapted his game, from not playing defense in the clutch to taking bad jumpshots with 18 secs left on the clock. 

James probably thought he would adapt a bit, but Russ gonna Russ

23 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

Who would have thought that adding a top 5 all-time ball hog to a roster with Lebrawn and AD wouldn’t work?

Yup and then they scapegoat the coach. .. so in turn the coach benched Westbrook. Then act like it's no big deal that they suck. Well it wasn't a big deal because l bron thought the front office would fix it for him... Instead they told him to go pound sand lol. Now he is butt hurt

17 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Russ as good as he is. Has never once adapted his game, from not playing defense in the clutch to taking bad jumpshots with 18 secs left on the clock. 

James probably thought he would adapt a bit, but Russ gonna Russ

I’m sure Russ told James he would adapt. An ounce of common sense would have told anyone he won’t.

5 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

I’m sure Russ told James he would adapt. An ounce of common sense would have told anyone he won’t.

Which is why I laugh my ass off at all of these national pundits that say Simmons is going to thrive on the Nets, the Nets won this deal by a landslide!!  Just f'ing wait until whomever is guarding Simmons always doubles Durant.  Or even better, in the 4th quarter in crunch time when you have the best player in the world standing there as Simmons shoots free throws (lmao) making Durant useless.