7 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Whoever trades for Watson is going to give up a lot.  

Why do you think that is ??

16 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

They are going to restructure his contract for when it actually starts in 2022?  So go back to the tried and true methodology of kicking the can down the road to ruin the cap in future years just to be able to squeeze under the cap for next year.  

It only takes 2 teams to get into a bidding war and right now there are at least 2 teams.  Texans have Watson under contract for awhile, they don't need to rush into a trade especially if he is going to serve some sort of suspension this year.  They can hold onto him if they aren't getting good enough offers and just trade him next offseason when he would be available to play the full year and there would inevitable be even more QB needy teams.  Whoever trades for Watson is going to give up a lot.  

 

So you honestly believe the Eagles learn their lesson that they’re not going to do that anyways? Meanwhile the 2021 offseason they once again did that and fortunately for the eagles in 2023 it’s increasing so it works in their favor. So that’s gonna happen and continue anyway you like it because that’s how the Eagles have operated even before they got into this cap mess 

I am just pointing out the Eagles would never make a trade without talking to Deshaun Watson first and talking with him about restructuring it when he got here to help with the cap. 40 million against the Everyone keeps bringing up you know damn well they’re never going to allow Deshaun Watson to play at that cap number

Again I never said they weren’t gonna give up a lot. And might be true, a multiple team bidding war however that still does not mean it’s automatically going to be whatever the Texans want they get. I don’t disagree with you that they could wait until the off-season to trade him to get more bidders.  That still doesn’t mean those other teams are willing to give them anything they want or a better offer than the eagles offered. Again the best offer they could get might be two first round picks. It might be three we don’t know.
 

However this we can’t replenish because he’s gonna have a $40 million cap hit which they’re obviously going to restructure if they trade for him. I think that’s kind of obvious that would be coming down the pike if they made the trade for him. They aren’t stupid and I’m guessing he’d be ok doing it to get more space to acquire talent.   As for replenishing if it is two first round picks I still think they have plenty of picks to replenish and in 2023 the increase cap helps with this even with watson here. And I’m gonna go on a limb and say playing with watson might actually attract some guys to play here

8 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Why do you think that is ??

Because he’s almost as good as 2018-2019 Carson Wentz. 

If he's available you do what it takes to get him.  Both firsts and the conditional Wentz pick? Do it.  Think about it this way. You make that trade and go 11-6.  You end up with a pick in the mid to late 20s. Say Wentz gets hurt, which is very possible.  Then you give up a 2nd and not another 1st.The Dolphins might have a solid year and their pick ends up in the 20s also.   So... 2 picks in the 20s and a 2nd for Watson and we still have our own 2nd?  Yes please.  

 

10 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Because he’s almost as good as 2018-2019 Carson Wentz. 

I view it this way, the Texans gave up 25th overall and a 2018 first to get Deshaun watson in 2017 draft. You are telling me if it cost you two firsts (three i could understand the skepticism) to get watson (assuming the legal issues are resolved only way it’s happening) who’s proven to be a top 10 QB who’s pretty likely going to restructure because that was likely happening prior to the 2022 offseason with the Texans with how that contract was structure to get him more guaranteed money which he didn’t have for the three years on his contract after 2022.

i might be hard on howie for some of the moves he has made in the past but i fully understand why he’d make this trade and why he’d restructure Watson’s contract in making the trade. I’m guessing he’s also likely to give the eagles protection in case he does something else off the field. 

31 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Because he’s almost as good as 2018-2019 Carson Wentz. 

I’d love to hear who people’s top 5 QBs under 25 are. Because  mahomes, josh Allen, watson, easily should all be in there. I’d also love to know how many QBs people realistically have over watson in the league. I’d say mahomes, brady, rodgers, Allen, russell Wilson are probably locks. Could argue you want to see what josh Allen does for an encore this year. Maybe Lamar and Herbert? I’d still take watson over them just in terms of on field play. Dak i have no clue coming off that injury. So really sits about 6th in my mind and there’s an argument for him to be in the top 5 if you go based off the last three years when comparing him to Allen’s one great year. 

Personally, I haven't seen Watson play enough to have an opinion.  We can see the stats.  They are pretty damn good.  Afan justifiably points out the issue with points scored in Watson offenses.  You'd really have to be someone who watches Texans games to have an educated opinion on that dichotomy.  

 

All this Watson talk and no one brings up he's literally impossible to sack?

11 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

All this Watson talk and no one brings up he's literally impossible to sack?

2020 - 49 (3rd)

2019 - 55 (1st)

2018 - 65 (1st)

That’s how many times he’s been sacked compared to his peers. The argument should be how easy he is to sack. He was only 3 off from being 1st in 2020 and he got lucky Wentz held the ball so long and Wilson is losing is mobility.

7 minutes ago, MillerTime said:

2020 - 49 (3rd)

2019 - 55 (1st)

2018 - 65 (1st)

That’s how many times he’s been sacked compared to his peers. The argument should be how easy he is to sack.

I’m pretty sure that was an inside joke he was making. 

it would help if the Texans oline didn’t finish 32nd (rookie year), 23rd, 20th and 23rd in grades by pff since he became the starter. Or had more than tunsil that finished above a 65 last year according to pff. That’s really bad considering the Texans have actually invested picks and capital into oline. Add on allowed brooks to walk away 

2 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I go to this, since mcnabb was traded, the eagles have had 4 years where I’d say they had great QB play: 2010 Vick, 2013 foles, 2017 wentz/foles and 2019 wentz (could make the case it wasn’t great until the end of the season). Meanwhile Deshaun watson the last three years has given those type of seasons. And last year he had 4800 yards, 70.2% completion, 33 tds and 7 ints which essentially was wentz mvp season with better completion percentage and would still be more passing yards then wentz was on pace for that season if he didn’t miss games. 

The eagles have tried to draft and sign QBs for a decade to get a stabilization at QB. They’ve had it for small windows since mcnabb. At 25 watson could be that for a decade.

Yep. DeShaun Watson would be the most talented QB to ever put on an Eagles uniform probably. He obviously has to prove he's the best with production and a track record, but there isn't a QB in Eagles history who had a start to their career that Watson had with the Texans. He's been excellent and this team has no QB stability.

2 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

You're acting like DeShaun Watson is Patrick Mahomes.   He's pre-2020 Carson Wentz.  Honestly, probably not as good as pre-2020 Carson Wentz.  But that is the grouping of QBs that Watson is in.  That Wentz/Dak level of QB.  He isn't a Mahomes or Rodgers once in a generation QB.  

 

Watson would be such a stupid trade for this organization.  Maybe if the roster wasn't at the start of what should be a several year rebuild it would make more sense but where the team is right now it makes no sense.  

Mahomes might end up the greatest QB in NFL history when all's said and done. I'm not acting like he's Mahomes, but Watson is a top 7 QB coming off an excellent season. He's trending upward and could very well be a top 5 NFL QB for the next decade. Just because you aren't one of the top 5 most talented QBs to ever play the game doesn't mean you aren't great and aren't worth trading for. He's very very good and a known commodity. That goes a long way in the NFL. Hell, look what Stafford was just traded for and he's a lot older and not as good.

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m pretty sure that was an inside joke he was making. 

it would help if the Texans oline didn’t finish 32nd (rookie year), 23rd, 20th and 23rd in grades by pff since he became the starter. Or had more than tunsil that finished above a 65 last year according to pff

You’re right. That had to be a joke. My bad

4 minutes ago, MillerTime said:

You’re right. That had to be a joke. My bad

Someone unironically said that in 2018 

14 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Yep. DeShaun Watson would be the most talented QB to ever put on an Eagles uniform probably. He obviously has to prove he's the best with production and a track record, but there isn't a QB in Eagles history who had a start to their career that Watson had with the Texans. He's been excellent and this team has no QB stability.

Mahomes might end up the greatest QB in NFL history when all's said and done. I'm not acting like he's Mahomes, but Watson is a top 7 QB coming off an excellent season. He's trending upward and could very well be a top 5 NFL QB for the next decade. Just because you aren't one of the top 5 most talented QBs to ever play the game doesn't mean you aren't great and aren't worth trading for. He's very very good and a known commodity. That goes a long way in the NFL. Hell, look what Stafford was just traded for and he's a lot older and not as good.

I think he’d have the chance to be production wise to be the best QB we’ve ever had if he continued the trend he’s currently on. Granted game has changed so it does help him in that respect. I think Randall and mcnabb had a bunch of talent. I think watson is a superior passer to both of those guys but Randall was a more dynamic runner than watson. 

i don’t think watson is mahomes but realistically no one is in the league. Not even josh Allen after the year he just had. If you took every QB under 25 today and asked me who’d be the top 3 QBs in 5 years I’d say mahomes, josh Allen and watson. Herbert if he repeats himself might crack that and i also don’t think it would surprised any of us if Allen has a slight regression this year. 

the Stafford trade package also happened that way cause the Rams wanted to also pawn off goff and his contract.

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Someone unironically said that in 2018 

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16 minutes ago, MillerTime said:

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Someone here made the argument in 2018 that Watson was impossible to sack while he was leading the NFL in sacks and was dead serious. That’s what I was joking about. 

7 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Someone here made the argument in 2018 that Watson was impossible to sack while he was leading the NFL in sacks and was dead serious. That’s what I was joking about. 

Oh okay, that all makes sense now. Its just that crazy of an argument😳

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

Afan justifiably points out the issue with points scored in Watson offenses. 

 

A point which I refuted and crushed him, and he has yet to respond

El Presidente says no to watson, he costed too mucho , he set all the gringos back too mucho in salary cap el hits, comprehende?

16 minutes ago, downundermike said:

A point which I refuted and crushed him, and he has yet to respond

same thing happened when he said the Texans oline was close to special and showed him they’ve been below average and downright bad since watson got into the league. 

I’m not saying the eagles have to trade for watson. I hope Hurts kills it this year like every other eagles fan. However i think it makes sense for the eagles if howie wants to pursue it (after its all resolved) because it’s the most important position on the field.  if he feels watson is a top 10 and potentially top 5 QB then you go for it. 

That said i think this $40 mil cap number is a BS argument cause you know the eagles are going to restructure it (would do that for any QB they get worthy of paying regardless of cap situation) so it’s not going to be $40 mil against the cap. Plus in 2023 the cap is going up due to the new tv deals. Plus the eagles never been shy to pay a QB they view as a top tier QB. Heck even their backups they pay money. The replenish argument has validity. I’m not going to deny that it makes it harder and you have to be better in your selections. however let’s not pretend there’s no risk involved the eagles using those picks and selecting players who underperform or underwhelming. They haven’t exactly been crushing the draft

3 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

gonna make this really simple since you counting picks is apparently more difficult than i thought 

texans gave up: 2017 first round pick and 2018 first round pick to move up to 12. That’s still 2 first rounders to move up to 12 to select watson. They had to give up that first along with a future first to move to 12. So 2 firsts for watson. Just cause They got the first to select watson doesnot mean they didn’t give them 2 firsts to get watson. Essentially they gave up 25 and 2018 first to get watson  

chiefs: gave up 27 (first rounder), 3rd in 2017 and 2018 first to get 10. So yes still gave up 2 firsts to get into position to get mahomes. So essentially they gave up their 2017 first round pick and their 2018 first round pick ( and a third) to acquire mahomes. Just cause they got back a first to get in position to get mahomes they still gave the cardinals 2017 and 2018 firsts to do it.

The definition of multiple: "consisting of, including, or involving more than one.” Even if you want to BS it and say they just swapped, they gave up 2 firsts for the ability to draft their guy. Yes it took the Texans 25 and 2018 first to get watson. And it took KC 27 and a 2018 first (third as well) to get mahomes. Hence the definition of multiple 

I think they could easily be picking at 15 to 18 considering the division is awful. And you might not have a quarterback fall to 12, you might have to jump inside the top 7-8 to go get that quarterback which means you’re gonna have to pay similar price the chiefs and Texans did if you want them and teams in the top 10 know you want a QB. Heck it took the bears 20 and 2021 first to go from 20 to 12. It’s possible to Move inside the top 7 to get a QB they want it costs them even more than that and a package like SF gave up

So the Eagles gave up a first round pick for Jalen Reagor in your world — got it.

I’m going to give you some credit for being deliberately disingenuous, as opposed to the alternative that you’re intellectually challenged.  Either way, good luck to you.

7 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

So the Eagles gave up a first round pick for Jalen Reagor in your world — got it.

I’m going to give you some credit for being deliberately disingenuous, as opposed to the alternative that you’re intellectually challenged.  Either way, good luck to you.

Yes drafting reagor at 20 is the same as trading away two firsts to get a pick back (reality it was to get a specific player) is clearly the same. 

So if the Browns said to the Texans give us 2018 and 2019 1st instead of 25 and was no swapping thats not considered multiple picks going to the browns? It’s still two picks the Texans had to give up to get watson/pick. If the Texans didn’t give up two picks that trade isn’t happening. The browns weren’t going to do it without obtaining 2 firsts round picks back regardless if you want to call it "swapping positions”. I’m sure the Texans would’ve been thrilled to keep 25th overall pick and only give up one pick in a 2018 first which would be considered not multiple picks going to the browns. Again the browns never do that trade unless they got MULTIPLE 1sts back from the Texans. 

Good luck to you when you can’t grasp they were always going to have to give up more than just one pick to get it done. Exchanging 2 picks for 1 pick is still whatever way you want to slice it multiple picks for one. It’s not disingenuous it’s the definition of multiple. 

Im against a Watson trade.

1. We used a 2nd on Hurts. It’s worth giving him a chance. We have 2/3 1st round picks. If Hurts is a no go then we use those picks to find a QB. Regardless of trade or draft. It’s stupid to give up those options.

2. He is a wildcard. He went against his organization and then has sexual abuse allegations come up. I don’t care about stats in this case. Do you really want that guy leading your organization? There are other options.

Just look at this discussion. Half the people want him, half down. That tells me a locker room will be the same way. No one can follow a guy they don’t respect.

 

3 minutes ago, MillerTime said:

 

Just look at this discussion. Half the people want him, half down. That tells me a locker room will be the same way. No one can follow a guy they don’t respect.

Yeah, fans and players are the same.

The Eagles aren't trading for Watson.  

 

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