7 hours ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

I'll look into it. 

QR code? All this new fangled stuff... maybe one of these years I'll replace my flip phone... 

Do you take Rubles?

22 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

 

 

 

Further proof that Eagles and Watson are just keeping their mutual interest under wraps.  He really wants to come and play here. 

11 minutes ago, Bloodtype_Green said:

Unfortunately I dont think the Eagles staff, and Front Office, will start Minshew over Hurts.  Trading for Matt Ryan would either mean trading Hurts, or putting him on the bench.

 

Yeah let's trade for a soon to be 37 year old Matt Ryan.  We are so close to contending, Matt Ryan would just push us over the top. 

4 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Yeah let's trade for a soon to be 37 year old Matt Ryan.  We are so close to contending, Matt Ryan would just push us over the top. 

Ryan obviously shouldn't be traded for. 

But the issue most of us has with Hurts is that he retards our skill players development.

You know Smith had 104 targets last year....good for 39th in the league? 

And before you come back with, well, we were predominantly a running team so he'll have less targets, let me point out that:

1) We had to become a running team because Hurts sucks at passing

2) The Titans, Baltimore and New Orleans all had over 30 rush attempts per game, like we did.

AJ Brown played in 4 less games than Smith, and had 105 targets.

Mark Andrews and Marquise Brown had 153 and 146 targets, respectively, good for 9th and 10th overall.

Marquez Calloway only started 11 games and had 84 targets, however the Saints had horrendous QB play after Winston went down.

 

So while it is likely that Hurts starts for us this year, do you have any concern that his poor passing will further hamper our skill players opportunities to develop?

45 minutes ago, olsilverhair said:

rumor is Fitz is at the airport

With Lecharles bentley and Frank Gore!

9 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Yeah let's trade for a soon to be 37 year old Matt Ryan.  We are so close to contending, Matt Ryan would just push us over the top. 

He wouldn’t, but neither does Hurts.  At least with Ryan our WRs could develop, which is a huge concern with Hurts under center.  I also wouldn’t be surprised if the Eagles draft a WR in round 1.  We need our young WRs to play with a QB that will help them grow.

7 hours ago, hputenis said:

If any of them can throw a forward pass I’d give them a look since Hurts struggles with that skillset. 

Wrong.  He can throw a forward pass.  His issues are quickness to read, interpreting and trusting what he is seeing and pulling the trigger timely.  Accuracy is hard to gage as we don’t know if it is Reagor, JJAW, Watkins or Hurts.  I suspect some of both.  And our top graded TE?   He drops too many.   We also have pocket understanding and trust issues and trusting his feet more than his reads or OL.  But he can throw a forward pass.  Question is can he fix his mechanics, improve his reading to a pro level, time his throws better, learn to trust the pocket better and use the whole field.  Yeah, I have my doubts about this.

That’s the issue with the QBs in this draft.  Are any surefire skilled players are reading?  Probably the best of those is Coan. Like Minshew, he doesn’t have a good long ball. He also has five years of experience.   Next best is a toss up between Corral and Pickett. Neither have superior arm strength. Corral has struggled with protecting the ball a bit.  Neither can hold a candle to Hurts as a runner.   Strong?  Big arm, statue. Throws a lot of first reads. Hard to tell if his accuracy holds up given competition and not a better progression reader than Hurts at this point. Ridder?  Read issues, consistency issues, quick to run. Reminds me of Paxton Lynch.  Real project that can fail pretty easily.  Crum?  Talent but failed against big conference teams.  Late round/UDFA gamble type.  Willis?  Why leave Auburn instead of fighting for a job.  Failed against bigger schools.  Real gamble that hasn’t shown a better ability to read than Hurts. Howell?  Talk about reading and accuracy issues and a tendency to run.   All except Corral in all star games. Only one who showed was Coan. @austinfan is right about the quality of this draft at QB  

Wentz was attractive because he played in a pro style offense.  Not many QBs do that in college these days. Most learn to read option or RPO, not progression read.   Most are playing against zone defenses.  

Now, I like zone reading offensive approach like Riley and Harrell use.  Leach kind of started that. Both would stack receivers so a look at more than one receiver was possible for a zone look. Lots of quick reads. (Not a Hurts forte at this point.)  I think Nick was working on some of that but Reagor is a poor fit and Watkins is learning. The lack of agility or Reagor and JJAW (2 & 3 step stops and turns don’t fly in the NFL).  That sort of read depends on the WR as much as the QB.  Basically understanding the open spots. Reagor? Stoll?  JJAW?  Ward gets it, he just doesn’t quite have the athleticism to shine in it.  Some of the QBs in this draft did well in that approach and Hurts did do a year of it with Riley. Does need a quick bigger WR and Hurts has to learn how to throw over the middle or he is toast in the NFL.

10 hours ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

 

10 hours ago, Texas Eagle said:

How could we possiblly find someone to match his 30 tackles and 3 sacks?!

15 million to rent him for a year, a year in which we won’t be contenders. Sounds silly to me. We have an out right now - leave it that way.

Defensive production isn’t solely based on sacks. He’s still a good player that would start on any other team.

Who cares if he’s overpaid. It’s not like overpaying him is preventing us from getting a good QB

 

It would prevent us potentially from filling 2-3 of the other holes we have. Drafting someone like Wyatt would make 100x more sense than bringing back Fletch on a 15 mil 1 year deal. He isn’t that good anymore, at least not in this scheme.

9 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Ryan obviously shouldn't be traded for. 

But the issue most of us has with Hurts is that he retards our skill players development.

You know Smith had 104 targets last year....good for 39th in the league? 

And before you come back with, well, we were predominantly a running team so he'll have less targets, let me point out that:

1) We had to become a running team because Hurts sucks at passing

2) The Titans, Baltimore and New Orleans all had over 30 rush attempts per game, like we did.

AJ Brown played in 4 less games than Smith, and had 105 targets.

Mark Andrews and Marquise Brown had 153 and 146 targets, respectively, good for 9th and 10th overall.

Marquez Calloway only started 11 games and had 84 targets, however the Saints had horrendous QB play after Winston went down.

 

So while it is likely that Hurts starts for us this year, do you have any concern that his poor passing will further hamper our skill players opportunities to develop?

 

How many targets did AJ Brown have as a rookie? 84

 

How many targets did Mark Andrew's have as a rookie? 50

 

How many targets did Marquise Brown have as a rookie? 71

 

But apparently DeVonta Smith getting only 104 targets as a rookie "retards" his development. 

7 minutes ago, Bloodtype_Green said:

He wouldn’t, but neither does Hurts.  At least with Ryan our WRs could develop, which is a huge concern with Hurts under center.  I also wouldn’t be surprised if the Eagles draft a WR in round 1.  We need our young WRs to play with a QB that will help them grow.

 

Good WRs will develop no matter who the QB is.  To suggest otherwise shows a complete ignorance to reality. 

40 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

Bringing Cox for the reported money makes zero sense.  What short term benefit does it give?  Cant see it

It's a backup plan incase Howie misses out on that fat hog Davis

2 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Good WRs will develop no matter who the QB is.  To suggest otherwise shows a complete ignorance to reality. 

Can we expect 1300 yards and 10 TDs from Smith next year?

I think he could have gotten that last year with better QB play. 

39 minutes ago, Swoop said:

How much of what this team does makes sense?

I like how Howie has kept the trash around. Hurts, Ward, Jjaw, Reagor... quite the collection

Just now, Bloodtype_Green said:

Can we expect 1300 yards and 10 TDs from Smith next year?

I think he could have gotten that last year with better QB play. 

If Minshew is throwing to him, yea

4 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

How many targets did AJ Brown have as a rookie? 84

 

How many targets did Mark Andrew's have as a rookie? 50

 

How many targets did Marquise Brown have as a rookie? 71

 

But apparently DeVonta Smith getting only 104 targets as a rookie "retards" his development. 

Mark Andrews was the 4th TE his rookie year. Had 414 snaps.

Marquise Brown played a whopping 563 snaps his rookie year.

AJ Brown played 678 snaps.

Devonta played 916.

Do you understand the difference? 

10 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Wrong.  He can throw a forward pass.  His issues are quickness to read, interpreting and trusting what he is seeing and pulling the trigger timely.  Accuracy is hard to gage as we don’t know if it is Reagor, JJAW, Watkins or Hurts.  I suspect some of both.  And our top graded TE?   He drops too many.   We also have pocket understanding and trust issues and trusting his feet more than his reads or OL.  But he can throw a forward pass.  Question is can he fix his mechanics, improve his reading to a pro level, time his throws better, learn to trust the pocket better and use the whole field.  Yeah, I have my doubts about this.

That’s the issue with the QBs in this draft.  Are any surefire skilled players are reading?  Probably the best of those is Coan. Like Minshew, he doesn’t have a good long ball. He also has five years of experience.   Next best is a toss up between Corral and Pickett. Neither have superior arm strength. Corral has struggled with protecting the ball a bit.  Neither can hold a candle to Hurts as a runner.   Strong?  Big arm, statue. Throws a lot of first reads. Hard to tell if his accuracy holds up given competition and not a better progression reader than Hurts at this point. Ridder?  Read issues, consistency issues, quick to run. Reminds me of Paxton Lynch.  Real project that can fail pretty easily.  Crum?  Talent but failed against big conference teams.  Late round/UDFA gamble type.  Willis?  Why leave Auburn instead of fighting for a job.  Failed against bigger schools.  Real gamble that hasn’t shown a better ability to read than Hurts. Howell?  Talk about reading and accuracy issues and a tendency to run.   All except Corral in all star games. Only one who showed was Coan. @austinfan is right about the quality of this draft at QB  

Wentz was attractive because he played in a pro style offense.  Not many QBs do that in college these days. Most learn to read option or RPO, not progression read.   Most are playing against zone defenses.  

Now, I like zone reading offensive approach like Riley and Harrell use.  Leach kind of started that. Both would stack receivers so a look at more than one receiver was possible for a zone look. Lots of quick reads. (Not a Hurts forte at this point.)  I think Nick was working on some of that but Reagor is a poor fit and Watkins is learning. The lack of agility or Reagor and JJAW (2 & 3 step stops and turns don’t fly in the NFL).  That sort of read depends on the WR as much as the QB.  Basically understanding the open spots. Reagor? Stoll?  JJAW?  Ward gets it, he just doesn’t quite have the athleticism to shine in it.  Some of the QBs in this draft did well in that approach and Hurts did do a year of it with Riley. Does need a quick bigger WR and Hurts has to learn how to throw over the middle or he is toast in the NFL.

Thing is Hurts will be 24, with four schemes in four years. This summer will be the first time he can focus on mechanics, reads, etc. and not learning a new scheme.

Willis, Strong, Corral will be 23.  Pickett will be 24.  Howell will be 22.

 

 

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Thing is Hurts will be 24, with four schemes in four years. This summer will be the first time he can focus on mechanics, reads, etc. and not learning a new scheme.

Willis, Strong, Corral will be 23.  Pickett will be 24.  Howell will be 22.

 

 

Thing is Hurts can't throw. The other guys can

8 minutes ago, Bloodtype_Green said:

Can we expect 1300 yards and 10 TDs from Smith next year?

I think he could have gotten that last year with better QB play. 

 

I'm not sure. That's a tall order of expectations for a second year player.  Only 4 WRs in the NFL last year had at least 1,300 yards and 10 TDs.  One of them was the Super Bowl MVP and the other just landed the largest contract for any non-QB in league history. 

9 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Mark Andrews was the 4th TE his rookie year. Had 414 snaps.

Marquise Brown played a whopping 563 snaps his rookie year.

AJ Brown played 678 snaps.

Devonta played 916.

Do you understand the difference? 

 

Was their development hurt as a result? 

wheres the rumor about Mathieu being in philly for a visit?

50 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

Bringing Cox for the reported money makes zero sense.  What short term benefit does it give?  Cant see it

It makes him way easier to trade mid-season if a contender wants to pick him up to go on a run if that's the situation we fall into. His contract had void years going out to 2025 and if he performs this year and we don't trade him then hopefully we can extend him into a more normalized contract moving forward. You also can't predict how the draft is going to shake out so I feel better about not having to force a pick to fill a hole the we created.

9 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Thing is Hurts will be 24, with four schemes in four years. This summer will be the first time he can focus on mechanics, reads, etc. and not learning a new scheme.

Willis, Strong, Corral will be 23.  Pickett will be 24.  Howell will be 22.

 

 

2 coaches and 4 schemes? Doesn't seem to add up properly 

3 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

I'm not sure. That's a tall order of expectations for a second year player.  Only 4 WRs in the NFL last year had at least 1,300 yards and 10 TDs.  One of them was the Super Bowl MVP and the other just landed the largest contract for any non-QB in league history. 

 

Was their development hurt as a result? 

How about this....in games 1-7, with the 7th game being against the Raiders, Smith was targeted 53 times, for 7.6 targets per game.

After the Raiders game we went to the run heavy offense, and his target share dropped to 5.1 targets per game. That works out to 87 targets per year. Is that what you want? Do you think we will run more or less this year than we did last year? 

11 hours ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

I disagree strongly. Is Deebo Samuel not legitimate rushing threat because his title is wide receiver and not running back? What kind of an argument is that?

In their 2013 super bowl run, Russell Wilson threw for… wait for it… 209 yards a game! He also added 35 a game on the ground to bring his total to over 240.

Am I saying Jalen Hurts is Russell Wilson? Of course not. But to dismiss a QB who moves the chains with his legs because it’s not what you think a respectable QB should be doing is absurd.

It also helped that Wilson had a historic defense

4 minutes ago, greend said:

2 coaches and 4 schemes? Doesn't seem to add up properly 

It's such BS. Tom Brady didn't seem to be affected by new a scheme when he went to Tampa. 

Stafford seemed to do OK in a new scheme in LA. 

Hell, Cousins was far better in Minny in a new scheme.

But for Hurts, it's one more excuse in an ever growing list.

The fact is he played for Bama and Oklahoma, two football factories with great talent surrounding him. Goedert and Smith are plenty good enough here, and Hurts still sucks at throwing the ball. Hurts has hit his head on his ceiling, and now we have to watch another year of him banging his head off said ceiling. F'ing thing sucks. 

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

It also helped that Wilson had a historic defense

Also 2013 was about a decade ago, which is an eternity in the NFL. But, hey, what's one more excuse for the guy. 

2 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

How about this....in games 1-7, with the 7th game being against the Raiders, Smith was targeted 53 times, for 7.6 targets per game.

After the Raiders game we went to the run heavy offense, and his target share dropped to 5.1 targets per game. That works out to 87 targets per year. Is that what you want? Do you think we will run more or less this year than we did last year? 

 

Was their development hurt? Not sure why you aren't answering that. 

And I'd be very surprised if we didn't run less this year. Jalen now has a full year under his belt of starting.  A full season in this offense, a full year with these young wide outs.  It's more than reasonable to expect him to take a big step forward in year 3 as a passer and I suspect that we will see that. 

Just go back to the play in the TB playoff game where the DB fell down while covering Smith and it turned into an INT. It shows most of Hurts’ flaws in one play.

- He didn’t see it in time

- Once he saw it, he took too long to process

- The ball was inaccurate

- He didn’t have the NFL arm to get it there

- Instead of an east TD it’s an INT

I really like all the intangibles. He will (and deserves to) have a long career as a top tier backup. He just doesn’t have enough skill to be a franchise NFL QB.