7 minutes ago, olsilverhair said:

a good qb, hides a lot of problems, around the whole team, the eagles need a qb first, a good one, are we clear

Your use of commas in this sentence are just like you.  They don't belong hemorrhoid breath!  

1 minute ago, WentzFan11 said:

I wouldn’t laugh yet. Maybe he can turn Jones around. They have a better QB situation than we do. 

Jones is a better QB situation?  Jones is a QB liability. 

We will find out if they love Jones. They must make a decision on his 5th year option.

42 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

They haven't drafted a pro bowl defender since 2012 so let's just not try to draft defenders and try to just have a really bad defense?  What?  Where at all have I said that given or indicated it would be a given that they will hit on their draft picks?  What a bizarre take.

 

They should focus on BPA on defense unless you have some real blue chip offensive player drop to one of your picks that you had projected being taken far earlier (but actually did scouting on unlike Dillard).  But they absolutely need to focus on defense in the draft whether that is using the picks to draft actual defensive players or trading one of the picks for a defensive veteran.  But they desperately need to start adding top young talent on defense.  They have been pumping young offensive talent into the offense but now it's time to start doing the same to the defense.

Where did i say dont draft defense? can you show me where i said that? Cause i didn’t. So making up arguments no one said. Cause i said you can add and get a QB. Just cause you acquire a QB doesnt mean you have nothing left and cant build a defense over the next couple years. It ain’t getting fixed in one offseason. There’s teams all over the league who haven’t had 3 firsts in a draft and able to accomplish fixing a defense. 

My point is just assuming they will hit on those picks is a flawed process as they’ve shown you they havent. So your they need to add youth doesn’t mean just cause they add those guys with those picks means the defense is gonna be fixed. Not fixed by 2023 either.  

No one is saying don’t add defensive talent in the draft and FA. However the take they couldn’t  add a QB, keep adding to the defense and eventually fix it is complete bs. Wanna talk about bizarre takes? That’s the route you want to go?

18 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

You do realize just cause they have 3 firsts doesn’t mean it’s all going defense. Nor does it mean they hit on all those picks. Furthermore they haven’t drafted a pro bowl defender since 2012 so they had a decade worth of chances and haven’t done it so excuses me if i don’t think it’s a freaking given you are building that type of defense just cause you have draft picks  

no one is saying they don’t. Unfortunately you believe just cause they have picks they are exclusively going defense and it’s a given they hit on it.

Again you dont just stop adding pieces defensively in the draft or FA just cause you trade or acquire a QB. Nor do every pick they have in the first 3 rounds just go to defense cause they need youth there. They should draft BPA cause teams tend to get themselves into trouble specifically drafting certain positions over BPA/value. 

Has it seriously been since 2012? Wow. That is horrible. Cox has been on a decline too

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Where did i say dont draft defense? can you show me where i said that? Cause i didn’t. So making up arguments no one said. Cause i said you can add and get a QB. Just cause you acquire a QB doesnt mean you have nothing left and cant build a defense over the next couple years. It ain’t getting fixed in one offseason. There’s teams all over the league who haven’t had 3 firsts in a draft and able to accomplish fixing a defense. 

My point is just assuming they will hit on those picks is a flawed process as they’ve shown you they havent. So your they need to add youth doesn’t mean just cause they add those guys with those picks means the defense is gonna be fixed. Not fixed by 2023 either.  

No one is saying don’t add defensive talent in the draft and FA. However the take they couldn’t  add a QB, keep adding to the defense and eventually fix it is complete bs. Wanna talk about bizarre takes? You’re the least person who should ever say that 

Derek Barnett was young... now he's not, and never was good enough, he'll soon be gone.

Sydney Jones was young... now he's not and he's gone.

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

Has it seriously been since 2012? Wow. That is horrible. Cox has been on a decline too

Yup. Hicks was close but he kept getting injured. Was on his way until that kept happening. 

Credit to the rams. the rams have gotten a good defense and the only first rounder they’ve used on defense since 2014 is Aaron Donald. Granted he’s a beast. However they added using first to acquire defensive talent in Ramsey, used 2-7 round to add and made some nice pickups in FA that fit their scheme. 

 

4 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Has it seriously been since 2012? Wow. That is horrible. Cox has been on a decline too

Good news... that one draft that Howie wasn't in charge... Jordan Hicks was drafted... and then after he landed elsewhere, he made a Pro Bowl.  Does that count?  Then its only been since 2015.   #progress?  

26 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

How many decades will we wait until the Jalen Hurtses of the NFL will actually win a Super Bowl?    We've waited roughly 50+ years... how many more before a run first QB wins?  

Facts

31 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Lol

 Anyone remember when Adam Gase got hired because he was the genius that turned Tebow into a winner, and helped Manning in Denver, didn’t another teams fans want him as their coach.   
 Allen spends tons of time every Summer with Jordan Palmer and others working on his game, but everyone assumes it’s Daboll that fixed his career. 

8 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Derek Barnett was young... now he's not, and never was good enough, he'll soon be gone.

Sydney Jones was young... now he's not and he's gone.

It’s why i go BPA with those picks. Those were both needs then. Eagles took them. Granted think Barnett at that time was likely the highest grades played. Neither worked out.

My thoughts are You will pass up a good player just cause of need if you reach due to that need and you could get burned. I hate Dallas but give them credit they knew their defense also stunk took lamb anyway and no real urgent need at WR. Was just BPA. Next year got parsons to improve the defense. Yes obviously some luck involved but they also didn’t go away from BPA.  

also the defense even if they went 3 defenders with the first rounders doesn’t mean it’s fixed or you stop building since we used those picks on defense. 

10 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Has it seriously been since 2012? Wow. That is horrible. Cox has been on a decline too

Other than Barnett the Eagles haven’t drafted any defensive players in the first round since 2012.  Roster construction dictates this will be a defense-centric draft.

No, that doesn’t mean I expect every pick to be defense 

22 minutes ago, hputenis said:

Your use of commas in this sentence are just like you.  They don't belong hemorrhoid breath!  

sometimes I get comma, carried, away, are you nine months pregnant, yet, are, we, clear,

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yup. Hicks was close but he kept getting injured. Was on his way until that kept happening. 

Credit to the rams. the rams have gotten a good defense and the only first rounder they’ve used on defense since 2014 is Aaron Donald. Granted he’s a beast. However they added using first to acquire defensive talent in Ramsey, used 2-7 round to add and made some nice pickups in FA that fit their scheme. 

 

Donald is a HOFer though. Cox isn't and he's only 1 year older than Donald and on a decline while Donald is still a freaking beast

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

It’s why i go BPA with those picks. Those were both needs then. Eagles took them. Granted think Barnett at that time was likely the highest grades played. Neither worked out.

My thoughts are You will pass up a good player just cause of need if you reach due to that need and you could get burned. I hate Dallas but give them credit they knew their defense also stunk took lamb anyway and no real urgent need at WR. Was just BPA. Next year got parsons to improve the defense. Yes obviously some luck involved but they also didn’t go away from BPA.  

also the defense even if they went 3 defenders with the first rounders doesn’t mean it’s fixed or you stop building since we used those picks on defense. 

This team needs help at a ton of spots... so, you take the best player on the board.

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Other than Barnett the Eagles haven’t drafted any defensive players in the first round since 2012.  Roster construction dictates this will be a defense-centric draft.

No, that doesn’t mean I expect every pick to be defense 

And Barnett has been a disappointment that you could argue has helped lose us games because of his penalties

Just now, Mike030270 said:

Donald is a HOFer though. Cox isn't and he's only 1 year older than Donald and on a decline while Donald is still a freaking beast

oh i agree he’s a hall of famer. He makes a difference. However it’s not like the rams after him kept drafting defense in the first round. Literally they haven’t had a first in years. after drafting him, they built the defense in rounds 2-7 and the Ramsey trade. 

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

This team needs help at a ton of spots... so, you take the best player on the board.

Not only that you aren’t just building for 2022. You are building for now and the future. Defense isn’t magically being completely rebuilt in one offseason even with 3 firsts. Your needs in 2023 might be guard if seumalo gets hurt again and kelce retires then along with Wr. So why not take a great player that might fit those needs if one is there rather than reaching for a defender that’s not as good cause the defense needs help 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

oh i agree he’s a hall of famer. He makes a difference. However it’s not like the rams after him kept drafting defense in the first round. Literally they haven’t had a first in years. after drafting him, they built the defense in rounds 2-7 and the Ramsey trade. 

I guess you could argue they don't need to because they have Donald. We don't have someone to build the defense around like that. Who is our star on defense? Slay? He's 31

50 minutes ago, austinfan said:

So how many decades do you think it'll be of trading up before the Eagles draft the next Allen/Mahomes?

You have the misconception that finding the right QB requires the #1 overall pick.  Mahomes went #10, Watson 12, Roethisberger 11, Rodgers 24 …. Dan Marino went #27, Jim Kelly #14 — to say nothing of elite QBs taken after the first round.

Evaluate and develop the right QB for your system.  I’m not sure why you feel the need to compulsively deny what the vast majority of others recognize — Hurts won’t be the Eagles starter in the long term. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Not only that you aren’t just building for 2022. You are building for now and the future. Defense isn’t magically being completely rebuilt in one offseason even with 3 firsts. Your needs in 2023 might be guard if seumalo gets hurt again and kelce retires then along with Wr. So why not take a great player that might fit those needs if one is there rather than reaching for a defender that’s not as good cause the defense needs help 

They aren't building for now... they need to build for the future.  With Hurts at QB, there is no now.

4 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I guess you could argue they don't need to because they have Donald. We don't have someone to build the defense around like that. Who is our star on defense? Slay? He's 31

They need to find it. However there’s a chance it’s not in this draft even with 3 firsts they find it where they are picking. Donald was 13. Maybe one does. There’s also a chance they don’t. It’s why I’ve said go BPA don’t just go defense assuming we use 3 picks and it’s fixed. 

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

They aren't building for now... they need to build for the future.  With Hurts at QB, there is no now.

I guess that’s true. 

4 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

And Barnett has been a disappointment that you could argue has helped lose us games because of his penalties

Barnett has been an under-the-radar really bad pick.  Both Marlon Humphrey and Jonathan Allen were taken very shortly after him.

31 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

Jones is a better QB situation?  Jones is a QB liability. 

We lost to the Jones led Giants. He out QB’d Hurts. 🤷‍♀️

1 minute ago, WentzFan11 said:

We lost to the Jones led Giants. He out QB’d Hurts. 🤷‍♀️

That's not really saying much