eagle45 Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 5 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said: the next R diddy. stats guy. knows nothing about football. I don’t t know if anyone can match Didinger in sheer vapid self congratulating analysis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iggles_Phan Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 Weird Championship Game weekend. 2 #4 seeds, a #2 seed and a #6 seed. Hasn't been a Championship Game weekend in a while without at least 1 #1 seed.... 2010 as far as I can tell. It's been since 2008 season since there has been a Championship Game weekend with such low seeded teams matching up. 2 seed (STEELERS) vs. 6 seed (RAVENS) in AFC, and 4 seed (CARDINALS) vs. 6 seed (EAGLES) in NFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeanMeanGM Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 2 hours ago, Swoop said: RTK, but there are definitely a few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RememberTheKoy Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 4 hours ago, Freshmilk said: Read with the intention to understand. This blog wants defense in the draft, some going so far as to suggest the Eagles will draft a LB in the 1st Round. But we also want a QB that can read a defense, throw on time, throw receivers open... Blog wants a finished QB coming out of college. Everyone here would be trying to run Josh Allen out of town after 2 seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swoop Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 9 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said: That's it. I'm taking your circle jerk membership away. You now have to be a Hurts guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austinfan Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 FO (17th) rank Hurts in the middle of the pack as a passer, and yes, they take game conditions into consideration. PFF has him ranked 11th overall, but running is a part of that https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-final-2021-quarterback-rankings QBR has him 19th overall, 23rd as a passer. I think a lot of people here focus on the top 8-10, and judge Hurts' first year as a starter by those standards. But most of the top QBs have a lot of years of experience, Brady, Rodgers, Prescott, Stafford, Cousins, Carr, Garoppollo, even Wentz. The only QBs with less than 5 years starting experience in the top ranks are Herbert, Mahomes, Allen, Murray, and Burrow. Good luck drafting one of these. QBs drafted last ten years (bold clearly better than Hurts): Lawrence (1), Wilson (2), Lance (3), Fields (11), Jones (15) Burrow (1), Tua (5), Herbert (6) Love (26) Murray (1), Jones (6), Haskins (15) Mayfield (1), Darnold (3), Allen (7), Rosen (10), Jackson (32) Trubisky (2), Mahomes (10), Watson (12) Goff (1), Wentz (2), Lynch (26) Winston (1), Mariota (2) Bortles (3), Manziel (22), Bridgewater (32) Manuel (16) Luck (1), RGIII (2), Tannehill (8), Weeden (22) You basically have to pick in the top ten, 22 QBs in 10 years, 6 were top ten caliber (Tannehill was a flop in Miami, didn't put it together until he was 31). Note 3 of 12 in the top 2 picks, beware one year wonders, Goff, Wentz, RGIII, Mayfield who make you think you solved the problem. Never take a QB in the 20s, at that point it's as good of a bet to take a 2nd to 4th rd "flyer." I'm not sure there's a QB in this draft worthy of a top ten pick, I'm also sure at least one team, if not more, will reach for one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Nova Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 1 minute ago, austinfan said: FO (17th) rank Hurts in the middle of the pack as a passer, and yes, they take game conditions into consideration. PFF has him ranked 11th overall, but running is a part of that https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-final-2021-quarterback-rankings QBR has him 19th overall, 23rd as a passer. I think a lot of people here focus on the top 8-10, and judge Hurts' first year as a starter by those standards. But most of the top QBs have a lot of years of experience, Brady, Rodgers, Prescott, Stafford, Cousins, Carr, Garoppollo, even Wentz. The only QBs with less than 5 years starting experience in the top ranks are Herbert, Mahomes, Allen, Murray, and Burrow. Good luck drafting one of these. QBs drafted last ten years (bold clearly better than Hurts): Lawrence (1), Wilson (2), Lance (3), Fields (11), Jones (15) Burrow (1), Tua (5), Herbert (6) Love (26) Murray (1), Jones (6), Haskins (15) Mayfield (1), Darnold (3), Allen (7), Rosen (10), Jackson (32) Trubisky (2), Mahomes (10), Watson (12) Goff (1), Wentz (2), Lynch (26) Winston (1), Mariota (2) Bortles (3), Manziel (22), Bridgewater (32) Manuel (16) Luck (1), RGIII (2), Tannehill (8), Weeden (22) You basically have to pick in the top ten, 22 QBs in 10 years, 6 were top ten caliber (Tannehill was a flop in Miami, didn't put it together until he was 31). Note 3 of 12 in the top 2 picks, beware one year wonders, Goff, Wentz, RGIII, Mayfield who make you think you solved the problem. Never take a QB in the 20s, at that point it's as good of a bet to take a 2nd to 4th rd "flyer." I'm not sure there's a QB in this draft worthy of a top ten pick, I'm also sure at least one team, if not more, will reach for one. Interesting info. Thanks for posting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 11 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said: Blog wants a finished QB coming out of college. Everyone here would be trying to run Josh Allen out of town after 2 seasons. False. Everyone here can see what requisite skills are required to be a successful NFL QB. Intangibles will only get you so far. Need to be able to make NFL throws, Hurts can not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iggles_Phan Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 1 minute ago, austinfan said: Never take a QB in the 20s, at that point it's as good of a bet to take a 2nd to 4th rd "flyer." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCiggles Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 4 hours ago, Dwide Schrude said: Eagles Reddit is uh, well…..yeah. I mean Reddit is filled with teenage kids. He probably made the trade work on Madden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RememberTheKoy Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said: A guy that was projected to go first overall but dropped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 2 hours ago, Swoop said: RTK, but there are definitely a few. bacarty is another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austinfan Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 12 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said: Ancient history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathByEagle Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 16 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said: You can add this guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iggles_Phan Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 8 minutes ago, austinfan said: Ancient history. 🤦♂️ Keep making ridiculous pronouncements. I didn't bring up Dan Marino, which would also be a nail in the coffin of your ridiculous pronouncement, instead I used a guy that was in the post that you were just talking about 'good luck getting one of those guys'. There's a really simple way to draft a QB... you assess each and every one. You scout them, you study them and you decide if that player is the one to 'beat the odds'. Every QB taken has long odds to becoming what every NFL franchise wants them to be. But, you don't let the odds deter you. This is not like buying a lottery ticket where you literally are just playing the straight percentage game. It is very different and you make your assessment, you talk to the player, his coaches, his opponents, every one you can and you leave no stone unturned. That's what a professional football organization does. You are trying to treat the entire process as some sort of actuarial table. It's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iggles_Phan Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 4 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said: You can add this guy Yes, but that guy actually would be ancient history. Not that that would dismiss the counter to the claim of 'never draft a QB in the 20s', but nonetheless... he stands as another example of a counter example to that dogmatic pronouncement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said: 🤦♂️ Keep making ridiculous pronouncements. That is his MO. States his opinion as fact, and any fact that contradicts his opinion is not eligible to be considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RememberTheKoy Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 I'm sure many analysts in the coming months will be comparing the 2022 QB draft class to the 1983 QB draft class. This draft is looking more like 2007 for QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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eagle45 Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said: Weird Championship Game weekend. 2 #4 seeds, a #2 seed and a #6 seed. Hasn't been a Championship Game weekend in a while without at least 1 #1 seed.... 2010 as far as I can tell. It's been since 2008 season since there has been a Championship Game weekend with such low seeded teams matching up. 2 seed (STEELERS) vs. 6 seed (RAVENS) in AFC, and 4 seed (CARDINALS) vs. 6 seed (EAGLES) in NFC. That’s the new irrelevance of the regular season. Allow 4 teams to earn byes and you’ll see more of a cluster of 1’s and 2’s. This year was extra anomalous because Rodgers choked in the NFC and the Titans were frauds in the AFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle45 Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 42 minutes ago, austinfan said: Never take a QB in the 20s, at that point it's as good of a bet to take a 2nd to 4th rd "flyer." Never build around a qb that can’t pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iggles25 Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 31 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said: You can add this guy Nice perm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iggles_Phan Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 11 minutes ago, eagle45 said: That’s the new irrelevance of the regular season. Allow 4 teams to earn byes and you’ll see more of a cluster of 1’s and 2’s. This year was extra anomalous because Rodgers choked in the NFC and the Titans were frauds in the AFC. Well, we all knew that was coming, the Packers never should have drafted him in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest justrelax Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 9 minutes ago, eagle45 said: Never build around a qb that can’t pass. While I agree with this, we are just building. Not around him, just building. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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