@jsb235 is a troll looking for attention like a 5 year old. Pathetic

22 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

@jsb235 is a troll looking for attention like a 5 year old. Pathetic

Nope, started this thread to keep a dumb topic that no one cares about from clogging up the blog. Nothing more, nothing less. 

Imagine someone on a damn internet forum being so in your head that you need to make a thread calling them out to argue 😂

16 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Nope, started this thread to keep a dumb topic that no one cares about from clogging up the blog. Nothing more, nothing less. 

You admit it is a dumb topic that no one cares about ... so you think it deserves a thread?? 

Junior high logic.

Just now, time2rock said:

You admit it is a dumb topic that no one cares about ... so you think it deserves a thread?? 

Junior high logic.

Mike wasn't going to let it go. The fight was happening, i only decided where. 

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

If anyone knows Mike they know he didn't even sleep last night because he was preparing his rebuttal.

OP is going down when mikes granddaughter is done pooping on his lap.

Just woke up, took a deuce like the one I am about to take on jsb, and waiting for my coffee to brew

Just now, downundermike said:

Just woke up, took a deuce like the one I am about to take on jsb, and waiting for my coffee to brew

 

2 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Imagine someone on a damn internet forum being so in your head that you need to make a thread calling them out to argue 😂

See. This was either going to be in its own thread or in the blog. 

Need more info.  In each 3 game sample, who did the Eagles play and who won? What was the score of those games? 

3 hours ago, EagleJoe8 said:

So, if I’m understanding the argument correctly, it appears the discrepancy between Mike and JSB is based on how the calculation is done when looking over a multiple game stretch.

Correct.  Here is the example I gave last night that made him decide he was going to start a thread that was going to make me quit board.

Kirk Cousins has played in 4 career playoff games, in those games, he has a combine QB rating of 86.6. 

40 + 91.7 + 96.4 + 84 = 78.1.  87.1 / 4 = 78.1.  ( This is your method @jsb235, if you could hold your response until I address the main post )

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CousKi00/gamelog/post/

 

Wait wait wait wait XD did this all stem from my Jalen throwing 3tds to 4ints his last last 5 games comment lmao jsb bro....you need a hobby  I half ass jokingly said maybe the league figured him out and it became this?! Hahahaha

10 hours ago, jsb235 said:

This is the war you have been waiting for - arguably the biggest defender of Jalen Hurts versus arguably his biggest hater.

It's not a surprise that Downundermikes initials are DUM

9 hours ago, jsb235 said:

Over that period he completed 54 passes out of 81 attempts for 709 yards and three TDs and one interception.

In the period where Downundermike claims he was better, he completed 36 passes out of 54 attempts for 443 yards, with three TDs and one INT.

Your entire argument, is that is QB rating was higher over this 3 game stretch than any other point of the season, and I have proven that statistically false.  Let me now do it multiple way.

#1 - using your method, we will use the average of the 3 QB ratings.  Here is a spreadsheet showing the 3 game stretches, the total, and the average, even thought this method is wrong, I win.

 

#2 - lets take it on a game by game basis.  Treating each game individually head to head.  

 I have now awarded the margin of victory for each game in order.  I win 2 games to 1, and when you then weight the margin of victory, I still win.  

Week 9 beats week 14 - 115.3 to 110.4 - margin of victory 4.9

Week 10 beats week 16 - 103.2 to 102.5 - margin of victory .70

Week 17 beats week 8 - 90.9 to 86.3 - margin of victory 5.6

My two margin of victories totals 5.6 to your one margin of victory of 4.6, so I win by 1.

 

#3 - using the stats the way the NFL actually calculates them.  This is how you correctly calculate statistics over a 3 game span, not the average, the actual.  This was proven in the post above about Kirk Cousins.  As I double checked my math this morning, and I will bold for transperacy

*** WHEN I CALCULATED THESE NUMBERS YESTERDAY, I MUST HAVE ENTERED A NUMBER INTO THE PFR QB RATING CALCULATOR INCORRECTLY, HERE IS THE CORRECT MATH, SHOWING YOUR STRETCH OF GAMES AS #2, NOT #3 AS I INCORRECTLY CALCULATED YESTERDAY, BUT STILL NOT #1 AS YOU HAVE REPEATEDLY STATED ***

Here are the actual numbers.  As you can see, and with the example above with Kirk Cousins, you can not take the average of the average to get the true result for different sets of data. You have to combine them and calculate.

 

 

The reason my stretch of games wins is because of the 4 numbers used used to calculate QB rating.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2001/08/how-does-the-nfl-s-quarterback-rating-system-work.html

1. Completion percentage: Subtract 30 from the percentage of passes that are thrown for completions, then multiply by .05.

2. Yards per attempt: Subtract yards per passing attempt by three, then multiply by .25.

3. Touchdown percentage: Multiply the percentage of touchdown passes per passing attempt by .2.

4. Interception percentage: Multiply the percentage of interceptions per passing attempt by .25, then subtract that number from 2.375.

The scores for each category are added together. That sum is divided by six and multiplied by 100, which converts it into a rating on a scale from zero to 158.3. A putatively average QB would receive a rating of 66.7 (1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 4, and 4/6 * 100 = 66.7).

If you don’t have the patience for the math, you can enter the numbers into this ratings calculator.

 

Using this data for the above games, here are the 4 categories.  As you can see, 

1.  Completion percentage is a wash.

2.  Yards per attempt is 8.75 to 8.2 in your favor, a .11 win in the QB rating calculator

3.  TD% is the largest margin of victory in my favor, 5.56% to 3.7%, a 3.7 win in the QB rating calculator

4. Int% is 1.23% to 1.85% in your favor, a .16 win in the QB rating calculator

 

Before these numbers are then applied to the final part of the formula in the bolded above, I have a .11 advantage, so all the math in the bolded above will obviously make me the winner.

 

 

So, all I can say, is not matter which way you slice and dice it, average of QB ratings, head to head QB ratings on a per game basis, or actually doing it correctly, your original post is wrong, week 15-17 last year was not Jalen Hurts best 3 game stretch in regards to QB rating.

Additionally, you have also learned that you can not take the average or several averages to get the true result.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

5 hours ago, Swoop said:

I am now inspired to now make a thread calling @LeanMeanGM out for... something

Is Swoop a disingenuous clown jester?

 

Yes

 

@HazletonEagle @EagleJoe8 @4for4EaglesNest @Swoop @Texas Eagle @LeanMeanGM

@Bwestbrook36 @DeathByEagle @ToastJenkins @Rob331

 

I think I more than made my point, but you guys can judge.

Just now, downundermike said:

@HazletonEagle @EagleJoe8 @4for4EaglesNest @Swoop @Texas Eagle @LeanMeanGM

 

I think I more than made my point, but you guys can judge.

You definitely got more in depth than I did, but it all seems to add up, (or not add up in JSB's case). When I wrote my reply earlier, it seemed as simple as tallying up a QB's ratings for each game, and seeing if the listed yearly rating equals the average rating doing it his way.  Hurts' numbers were the closest, but the others seemed more off. Doing it his way should either match exact, or it doesn't, and his way didn't.

13 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Your entire argument, is that is QB rating was higher over this 3 game stretch than any other point of the season, and I have proven that statistically false.  Let me now do it multiple way.

#1 - using your method, we will use the average of the 3 QB ratings.  Here is a spreadsheet showing the 3 game stretches, the total, and the average, even thought this method is wrong, I win.

 

#2 - lets take it on a game by game basis.  Treating each game individually head to head.  

 I have now awarded the margin of victory for each game in order.  I win 2 games to 1, and when you then weight the margin of victory, I still win.  

Week 9 beats week 14 - 115.3 to 110.4 - margin of victory 4.9

Week 10 beats week 16 - 103.2 to 102.5 - margin of victory .70

Week 17 beats week 8 - 90.9 to 86.3 - margin of victory 5.6

My two margin of victories totals 5.6 to your one margin of victory of 4.6, so I win by 1.

 

#3 - using the stats the way the NFL actually calculates them.  This is how you correctly calculate statistics over a 3 game span, not the average, the actual.  This was proven in the post above about Kirk Cousins.  As I double checked my math this morning, and I will bold for transperacy

*** WHEN I CALCULATED THESE NUMBERS YESTERDAY, I MUST HAVE ENTERED A NUMBER INTO THE PFR QB RATING CALCULATOR INCORRECTLY, HERE IS THE CORRECT MATH, SHOWING YOUR STRETCH OF GAMES AS #2, NOT #3 AS I INCORRECTLY CALCULATED YESTERDAY, BUT STILL NOT #1 AS YOU HAVE REPEATEDLY STATED ***

Here are the actual numbers.  As you can see, and with the example above with Kirk Cousins, you can not take the average of the average to get the true result for different sets of data. You have to combine them and calculate.

 

 

The reason my stretch of games wins is because of the 4 numbers used used to calculate QB rating.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2001/08/how-does-the-nfl-s-quarterback-rating-system-work.html

 

 

Example 1 is the only one that matters, and you are correct. I rounded off the figures to the nesrest whole number, and if you use the fractional amounts, Hurts was three tenths or so worse over the last three games than the example you cited. 

But does that really prove the narrative that Hurts was figured out by the NFL and did worse over the latter part of the season than the earlier part? 

It does not. 

So congrats on the rounding error win. Treasure it like the three-tenths of a point it deserves. 

1 hour ago, Captain F said:

Need more info.  In each 3 game sample, who did the Eagles play and who won? What was the score of those games? 

His 3 game sample, week 15-17, WAS, NYG, WAS.  Eagle went 3-0 averaging 27 PPG

My 3 game sample, week 8-10, Det, LAC, Den.  Eagles went 2-1 averaging 32.6 PPG

Just now, jsb235 said:

Example 1 is the only one that matters, and you are correct. I rounded off the figures to the nesrest whole number, and if you use the fractional amounts, Hurts was. 6 or so worse over the last three games than the example you cited. 

But does that really prove the narrative that Hurts was figured out by the NFL and did worse over the latter part of the season than the earlier part? 

It does not. 

So congrats on the rounding error win. Treasure it like the six-tenths of a point it deserves. 

 

The bolded is not what you and I discussed, that was you and another posted.  You said it was his best stretch, and I have proven by your incorrect method, a second incorrect method, and then the correct method that you were wrong.

I have also proven, you can not just add up QB rating and divide by the number of games to get the QB rating for those games.

 

You should in front of everyone admit you were wrong on the stretch, and that your method to calculate QB rating over a stretch of game is also wrong, as proven here.

 

1 hour ago, downundermike said:

Correct.  Here is the example I gave last night that made him decide he was going to start a thread that was going to make me quit board.

Kirk Cousins has played in 4 career playoff games, in those games, he has a combine QB rating of 86.6. 

40 + 91.7 + 96.4 + 84 = 78.1.  87.1 / 4 = 78.1.  ( This is your method @jsb235, if you could hold your response until I address the main post )

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CousKi00/gamelog/post/

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, downundermike said:

@HazletonEagle @EagleJoe8 @4for4EaglesNest @Swoop @Texas Eagle @LeanMeanGM

@Bwestbrook36 @DeathByEagle @ToastJenkins @Rob331

 

I think I more than made my point, but you guys can judge.

I have an advanced degree paid for by the degenerates and political extremists in CVON against their will.  My degree qualifies me at a lower level than most of the EMB with their GED. I don't think I can judge this fight. There are too many numbers. 

4 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Example 1 is the only one that matters, and you are correct. I rounded off the figures to the nesrest whole number, and if you use the fractional amounts, Hurts was three tenths or so worse over the last three games than the example you cited. 

But does that really prove the narrative that Hurts was figured out by the NFL and did worse over the latter part of the season than the earlier part? 

It does not. 

So congrats on the rounding error win. Treasure it like the three-tenths of a point it deserves. 

You lost again.  0-2 with a loss last night,  and today.  Try again tomorrow. 

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

I have an advanced degree paid for by the degenerates and political extremists in CVON against their will.  My degree qualifies me at a lower level than most of the EMB with their GED. I don't think I can judge this fight. There are too many numbers. 

I assume you were not disappointed at how much you know I was going to put into it.

 

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

 

You should in front of everyone admit you were wrong on the stretch, and that your method to calculate QB rating over a stretch of game is also wrong, as proven here.

I admit you were right by three tenths of a point, which is a rounding error. 

Just now, downundermike said:

I assume you were not disappointed at how much you know I was going to put into it.

 

Yes there was enough for me to scroll right past and say tldr. Just as I suspected. 

You are 2-0

3 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

I admit you were right by three tenths of a point, which is a rounding error. 

 

You are also wrong about this, you can not take the average of QB ratings and have that be the QB rating for that stretch of games.

It is right here, these are the numbers from PFR, you know, the site you said I was arguing againts.

Please tell us, if your method is correct, why is your answer 78.1 using the average of the 4 games, but PFR shows it correctly as 86.6.

 

1 hour ago, downundermike said:

Correct.  Here is the example I gave last night that made him decide he was going to start a thread that was going to make me quit board.

Kirk Cousins has played in 4 career playoff games, in those games, he has a combine QB rating of 86.6. 

40 + 91.7 + 96.4 + 84 = 78.1.  87.1 / 4 = 78.1.  ( This is your method @jsb235, if you could hold your response until I address the main post )

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CousKi00/gamelog/post/