8 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

The game plan wasn't centered around Barkley on purpose. Spags was defeated before he began

All season every DC focused their gameplan around the Offensive Player of the Year. Shocking! Talk about Captain Obvious.

Since Siri became coach…started off 2-5 then gave up playcalling to Steichen to save his hide….all the way to wining the SB…when hasn’t any defense had to focus on stopping our rushing attack?

Miles Sanders was gashing people. Swift. We have been a dominant rushing team the whole time with Hurts.

8 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

The game plan wasn't centered around Barkley on purpose. Spags was defeated before he began

Spags was choosing to force Hurts to beat him. Pretty much exactly what you and No Mas have been questioning of Hurts the whole time yourselves.

FL you even labeled our O the KISS O. I mean what happened was Hurts once again completely proved the HurtsHaters completely elevating and full of BS.

7 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Who is the top paid CB at 30 mil?

Who is the top slot CB at 13 mil?

Do you think the pay difference is due to position...or that the 30 mil guy is perceived as being that much better?

I don't see DeJean's value going up if he moves outside. I don't think he would be more valuable to any team proving he is above average on the outside vs totally dominant in the slot.

I don't think his value rises when he blitzes less, stuffs the run less as compared to just covering an outside WR and getting less action.

I don't think Howie promises any rookie anything. I don't think any rookie is going to dictate to Fangio how to use him. I don't think any agent would look to move their client from a position they exceed at and are pretty much guaranteed an elite level pay.

I think you are way overthinking things.

Yes very clearly Slot hasn’t been valued equally. Where have you been?

7 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Who is the top paid CB at 30 mil?

Who is the top slot CB at 13 mil?

Do you think the pay difference is due to position...or that the 30 mil guy is perceived as being that much better?

I don't see DeJean's value going up if he moves outside. I don't think he would be more valuable to any team proving he is above average on the outside vs totally dominant in the slot.

I don't think his value rises when he blitzes less, stuffs the run less as compared to just covering an outside WR and getting less action.

I don't think Howie promises any rookie anything. I don't think any rookie is going to dictate to Fangio how to use him. I don't think any agent would look to move their client from a position they exceed at and are pretty much guaranteed an elite level pay.

I think you are way overthinking things.

7 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Who is the top paid CB at 30 mil?

Who is the top slot CB at 13 mil?

Do you think the pay difference is due to position...or that the 30 mil guy is perceived as being that much better?

I don't see DeJean's value going up if he moves outside. I don't think he would be more valuable to any team proving he is above average on the outside vs totally dominant in the slot.

I don't think his value rises when he blitzes less, stuffs the run less as compared to just covering an outside WR and getting less action.

I don't think Howie promises any rookie anything. I don't think any rookie is going to dictate to Fangio how to use him. I don't think any agent would look to move their client from a position they exceed at and are pretty much guaranteed an elite level pay.

I think you are way overthinking things.

I don’t hear you even making any case against what I’m saying. I laid out how both the outside CB and the Slot CB for the Texans both just set the market for their positions. Clear as day. Just like a RB versus a WR difference.

No Mas for you to boldly state players have zero power is just weak argument. I’d go real hard against you being so blind if I believed you actually thought that. But everybody knows better.

Deebo Samuel for the Niners. They needed him as a RB. He did it. Then realized how much that was killing his value. RBs careers are so much shorter. WR can play for so many more years. WR make the big bucks too. So Deebo refused to do it again. Frankly him doing that for just that part of a season did actually lower his value long term over his career,

The DeJean situation seems so very clear. Nobody in any career will make the choice of staying in the position that has less than half of the value:

I’ve been making the case for a receiving weapon over the blocker. Instead of JJaw and Stoll on the field. If you have threats in the passing game that works too. Run sets up the pass. But also works opposite. Having to deal with a weapon that can hurt you receiving has to be respected.

That’s why I’ve been talking about that third WR for years. Got Dotson now,which was exactly the trade I was looking for at that point. Our Oline and Saquan are going to be a threat. So now load up on the counter. Can’t be defended.

We’ve had a few seasons where we dominated running the ball out of three WR personnel. Go four WR and run it. There is a whole other way things can be accomplished you aren’t considering. You are stuck in old school football thinking. Spread out and force the D to pick their poison. I believe this makes us even more dangerous.

Instead of packing things in the box with blocking TE….spread everything out. Then the D has to really just choose. Hurts can shread the D whatever they try.

Four WR package. Let any D stack the box against Saquan. Audible…gash them.

Just think about it for a second. A WR that can’t block on the field versus a blocker that isn’t a threat receiving actually would make the rushing attack better.

7 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Who is the top paid CB at 30 mil?

Who is the top slot CB at 13 mil?

Do you think the pay difference is due to position...or that the 30 mil guy is perceived as being that much better?

I don't see DeJean's value going up if he moves outside. I don't think he would be more valuable to any team proving he is above average on the outside vs totally dominant in the slot.

I don't think his value rises when he blitzes less, stuffs the run less as compared to just covering an outside WR and getting less action.

I don't think Howie promises any rookie anything. I don't think any rookie is going to dictate to Fangio how to use him. I don't think any agent would look to move their client from a position they exceed at and are pretty much guaranteed an elite level pay.

I think you are way overthinking things.

The whole entire history of NFL contracts is against your terribly weak argument you are attempting.

Heck so is the draft and every way every NFL team has ever moved. Ceedy Duce was traded to us for exactly this same reason. He wanted out the Slot because the pay sucks. So he demanded a trade to a team that would play him at S.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Heck so is the draft and every way every NFL team has ever moved. Ceedy Duce was traded to us for exactly this same reason. He wanted out the Slot because the pay sucks. So he demanded a trade to a team that would play him at S.

Every Eagles fan should completely understand this is the situation across the NFL.

Now just because Ceedy wanted out of the Slot going to S didn’t mean he actually accomplished getting that bag he was searching for. Earning the contract is a whole different story. Frankly that part isn’t relevant. That’s a whole other discussion entirely. All that matters is whether a player is confident in himself.

42 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Spags was choosing to force Hurts to beat him. Pretty much exactly what you and No Mas have been questioning of Hurts the whole time yourselves.

How many passes did Hurts throw?

7 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

The whole entire history of NFL contracts is against your terribly weak argument you are attempting.

Not at all

Just now, joemas6 said:

How many passes did Hurts throw?

His job now after we had a quality coach that could transform what our O was working with at the time….is to read the D and make the decision to hurt them.

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

How many passes did Hurts throw?

We were putting together a brand new O that was being created as we went along. The passing game was developing as we went along. But just because we didn’t pass…clearly didn’t mean we couldn’t. Key difference!

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Now just because Ceedy wanted out of the Slot going to S didn’t mean he actually accomplished getting that bag he was searching for. Earning the contract is a whole different story. Frankly that part isn’t relevant. That’s a whole other discussion entirely. All that matters is whether a player is confident in himself.

Dude... the Saints weren't going to pay him.

Again...who is the top paid slot CB?

Who is the top paid CB? Compare the two on how they play. Does the pay seem more related to them as players or the label of " slot" vs " outside"?