15 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Dude just got here, trying to do good, Made a rook mistake, turning up field taking the ball off his eyes. his is all you got????? Shall I start showing Hurts errors all day? I bet I can conjure alot more that one LOL. I'm glad he made his mistakie early, knew he blew it and went on the league the league and be OPOY. You cat like 1 play is someone body of work. Run back the vid of Hurts dropping the ball in the SB, on the worlds biggest stage, with the Lombardi on the line and any excuses you want to add in. Hurts choked in that SB,yet we heard ZIP from you. Just inconsistent when your boy is involved. So this ONE play is all you got? 🤣

7 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Thank you..exactly

What play would warrant a triple on Dotson?

55 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I didn’t criticize the decision of the playcaller in the SB…I just pointed out the glaringly obvious results occurring. We kept going to Barkley even though he wasn’t predicting. That didn’t make anything easier for Hurts after that. Made it more challenging…contrary to your observation.

How does having the perfect set up for play action passes make it harder on Hurts? How does having AJ covered one on one make it harder on Hurts? How does having DeVonta also covered one on one make it harder on Hurts? How does having Goedert covered one on one make it harder on Hurts?

The 15-play script of plays Moore drew up did exactly what it was supposed to do. (1) it confirmed for Spags that Barkley was coming hard and often. (2) in the second play the availability of play action passes was confirmed. In the next series of downs they confirmed that the 8 in the box would be very difficult to make passes in the back field (screens, etc) against, (3) in all the plays they confirmed KC was in Cover Zero on the WRs and TE.

That was exactly what the script was designed to uncover. It did its job perfectly. For fans, scripts at the beginning of a game are often frustrating because their primary aim is not to score but rather to gather intelligence for the coaches and players. That intelligence makes the job of the QB easier not harder.

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Dude just got here, trying to do good, Made a rook mistake, turning up field taking the ball off his eyes. his is all you got????? Shall I start showing Hurts errors all day? I bet I can conjure alot more that one LOL. I'm glad he made his mistakie early, knew he blew it and went on the league the league and be OPOY. You cat like 1 play is someone body of work. Run back the vid of Hurts dropping the ball in the SB, on the worlds biggest stage, with the Lombardi on the line and any excuses you want to add in. Hurts choked in that SB,yet we heard ZIP from you. Just inconsistent when your boy is involved. So this ONE play is all you got? 🤣

Same question to you as I asked Ham. How do you define Choke. For me, Hurts SB LVII performance was anything but a choke. It was outstanding.

13 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Dude just got here, trying to do good, Made a rook mistake, turning up field taking the ball off his eyes. his is all you got????? Shall I start showing Hurts errors all day? I bet I can conjure alot more that one LOL. I'm glad he made his mistakie early, knew he blew it and went on the league the league and be OPOY. You cat like 1 play is someone body of work. Run back the vid of Hurts dropping the ball in the SB, on the worlds biggest stage, with the Lombardi on the line and any excuses you want to add in. Hurts choked in that SB,yet we heard ZIP from you. Just inconsistent when your boy is involved. So this ONE play is all you got? 🤣

This can’t be referred to as anything but choking with icing the game on the line. You trying to go on and on suggesting anything else? Just lowers your credibility.

12 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

If you can just get past the two very first series

You still don't get the beauty of this do you??? I will try for the umpteenth time. In boxing the first 1-3 rounds are feel out rounds to see what you can exploit later. The first SB 1/4 was basically that. Running different plays to see what their, forcing them to show their poker hand before the bets are in reactions/coverages would be. We did this with all teams after week 4. Try some plays see how/if they adjust, figure out how we can beat their adjustments. It's why we were bashed for not scoring the first 1/4(even I was bashing this) After week 4 and the bye I saw WHY. Siri was scouting what he saw, telling Moore "ok here was the shift they made"(on whatever play) then Moore would call upstairs to verify then make the moves needed to exploit that intel. Siri doesn't have to call the plays to be the sideline general. Siri knew to beat KC they had to keep Mahomes off the field. To do that you hand the ball to your elite RB. He could get .5 YPC,that wasn't the point. of course Bark could break one at any time as he did all year. But 2.2 YPC does what? Keep Mahomes off the field. Hurts was asked to play QB and make a few throws, isn't that what we pay him for? 3 3rd and longs? No other QB has to face those? KC stacked the box and indeed stopped Bark.......but SO WHAT? The damage we did was they could not cover everyone else. Excellent "general" who finds teams weakness in 15 minutes, then exploits them the other 45 LOL

4 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

You still don't get the beauty of this do you??? I will try for the umpteenth time. In boxing the first 1-3 rounds are feel out rounds to see what you can exploit later. The first SB 1/4 was basically that. Running different plays to see what their, forcing them to show their poker hand before the bets are in reactions/coverages would be. We did this with all teams after week 4. Try some plays see how/if they adjust, figure out how we can beat their adjustments. It's why we were bashed for not scoring the first 1/4(even I was bashing this) After week 4 and the bye I saw WHY. Siri was scouting what he saw, telling Moore "ok here was the shift they made"(on whatever play) then Moore would call upstairs to verify then make the moves needed to exploit that intel. Siri doesn't have to call the plays to be the sideline general. Siri knew to beat KC they had to keep Mahomes off the field. To do that you hand the ball to your elite RB. He could get .5 YPC,that wasn't the point. of course Bark could break one at any time as he did all year. But 2.2 YPC does what? Keep Mahomes off the field. Hurts was asked to play QB and make a few throws, isn't that what we pay him for? 3 3rd and longs? No other QB has to face those? KC stacked the box and indeed stopped Bark.......but SO WHAT? The damage we did was they could not cover everyone else. Excellent "general" who finds teams weakness in 15 minutes, then exploits them the other 45 LOL

Tons of crap here. Decent amount I’m not even suggesting otherwise. Guess I’ll just pick out the lowest hanging obvious fruit here. Just no version Siri wasn’t making the call on the beginning scripted game plan each week. Disastrous proof of incompetence!

23 minutes ago, mattwill said:

How does having the perfect set up for play action passes make it harder on Hurts? How does having AJ covered one on one make it harder on Hurts? How does having DeVonta also covered one on one make it harder on Hurts? How does having Goedert covered one on one make it harder on Hurts?

The 15-play script of plays Moore drew up did exactly what it was supposed to do. (1) it confirmed for Spags that Barkley was coming hard and often. (2) in the second play the availability of play action passes was confirmed. In the next series of downs they confirmed that the 8 in the box would be very difficult to make passes in the back field (screens, etc) against, (3) in all the plays they confirmed KC was in Cover Zero on the WRs and TE.

That was exactly what the script was designed to uncover. It did its job perfectly. For fans, scripts at the beginning of a game are often frustrating because their primary aim is not to score but rather to gather intelligence for the coaches and players. That intelligence makes the job of the QB easier not harder.

BS…what a quality scripted gameplan does is expose the expected tendencies of your opponents weakness. That’s what is actually trying to be accomplished studying all that film of your opponent. Forming expectations…and how to attack those.

I mean…this is what coaches other than Siri do anyway.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

BS…what a quality scripted gameplan does is expose the expected tendencies of your opponents weakness. That’s what is actually trying to be accomplished studying all that film of your opponent. Forming expectations…and how to attack those.

I mean…this is what coaches other than Siri do anyway.

Then you are forcing your opponent to adjust…who b you then adjust accordingly. Guess it’s clear what’s so obvious to me just really isn’t such common place normal everyday knowledge.

17 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

We witnessed all season Fangio choosing to triple teaming cover almost every opponents third option receiving. It was only that one time we faced the elite RB he was forced into single covering such a severe threat.

I’m having a hard time envisioning what you are saying. In Fangio’s light box 4-2-5 scheme almost all the deployment of the 5 DBs is in zone coverage. How do you triple team any offensive receiver in zone coverage.

You are correct about an elite RB having the potential to stress Fangio’s light box, and that illuminates the value of Jordan Davis in Fangio’s scheme. Davis consistently occupies two blockers and denies two running lanes for the RB. The opponents can’t double Carter as a result, so the running lanes he is patrolling are effectively unavailable to the RB also. That leaves the two Edges as opportunities for the RB, but both Nolan Smith and Jalyx Hunt have shown they are excellent at setting the edge and also incredibly fast in pursuit.

Can you name an elite RB who succeeded running against the Eagles in the games after the Bye? I can’t. The most successful runner wasn’t even a RB.

3 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Same question to you as I asked Ham. How do you define Choke. For me, Hurts SB LVII performance was anything but a choke. It was outstanding.

Very gray area, probably different for everyone. But If I had to state mine(assuming we know EVERYONE has a "off" game once in awhile(sometimes the entire team doesn't click) There are many definitions for me personally depending on what type choke you mean. 1) There is the mental choke where your head just ain't in the game, you aren't playing to your own expectations or in the case of bark, HAMS expectations. Yet as I recall Bark still went over9or close to) 100 combined in the SB? That's not a bad game for most anyone, so "fail" would be dependent on the viewer. 2) There are physical chokes where you just aren't playing well, maybe you had a bug and just aren't playing at 100% 3) Sometimes you can have both of these at the same time. Having to play in a stacked box vs a team in the SB is different that playing vs a stacked box against a crap team. Obviously KC has a defense or they wouldn't get to the SB, so you are playing against 8 very good guys, not "few good guys and 3 others LOL. Hams example of the Falcons game was a mental choke for ONE PLAY- ONE. The fact Bark "choked" was because he was playing against one of the best stacked boxes in the league. I understand this is a long explanation, but many top players in many sports "choke" .Some days I went to work ill and CHOKED on the job I was hired to do, but everyone has that. I'm not going to bash a guy who has one bad play in a few games here and there and kicks ass the other times. For every bark "choke" I can vid you 3 where he just destroyed everyone. Did those defenders CHOKE? So it's not really a singe definition for me as far as sports go. A TOTAL choke would be where you play so badly EVERY DOWN you need to be pulled from the lineup. So a complex answer from me LOL

8 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Tons of crap here. Decent amount I’m not even suggesting otherwise. Guess I’ll just pick out the lowest hanging obvious fruit here. Just no version Siri wasn’t making the call on the beginning scripted game plan each week. Disastrous proof of incompetence!

Once again you fail to READ. Where did I say Siri was making the play calls???? Word twisting as usual. The "game plan" is discussed by the entire staff before a game, you know that right?

1 minute ago, mattwill said:

I’m having a hard time envisioning what you are saying. In Fangio’s light box 4-2-5 scheme almost all the deployment of the 5 DBs is in zone coverage. How do you triple team any offensive receiver in zone coverage.

You are correct about an elite RB having the potential to stress Fangio’s light box, and that illuminates the value of Jordan Davis in Fangio’s scheme. Davis consistently occupies two blockers and denies two running lanes for the RB. The opponents can’t double Carter as a result, so the running lanes he is patrolling are effectively unavailable to the RB also. That leaves the two Edges as opportunities for the RB, but both Nolan Smith and Jalyx Hunt have shown they are excellent at setting the edge and also incredibly fast in pursuit.

Can you name an elite RB who succeeded running against the Eagles in the games after the Bye? I can’t. The most successful runner wasn’t even a RB.

More examples of RBs killing it on us than double covering third receiving options.

36 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

We witnessed all season Fangio choosing to triple teaming cover almost every opponents third option receiving. It was only that one time we faced the elite RB he was forced into single covering such a severe threat.

That from Fangio means he trusts his CB's on islands, to the point he needs to use the other guys on the field for something else, or play 10 on a side. 11 guys have to play per down, so make them do SOMETHING. Covering 3 on the slot side is also like stacking the box as if they chose to run left screen left or off tackle, you have extra guys over there. If you trust Q as a CB, you can leave him on an island with NP. Still there are 11 players per side so you have the have them doing something

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

BS…what a quality scripted gameplan does is expose the expected tendencies of your opponents weakness. That’s what is actually trying to be accomplished studying all that film of your opponent. Forming expectations…and how to attack those.

I mean…this is what coaches other than Siri do anyway.

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

BS…what a quality scripted gameplan does is expose the expected tendencies of your opponents weakness. That’s what is actually trying to be accomplished studying all that film of your opponent. Forming expectations…and how to attack those.

I mean…this is what coaches other than Siri do anyway.

You have just described in your own words exactly what I said … expose/confirm the actual (not expected) defensive patterns and alignments and deployments. In film study you determine tendencies, but just as in the rest of real life, the homework you do prior to undertaking an endeavor has to be tested in live action.

I’m glad we agreed on the purpose of scripts. If my description was BS, then I’m sure you will agree that yours was too. 🤫🤫🤫

Why would you not run plays with specific plans for success…attempting to beat what you are expecting to see? You guys working from two feet in the hole. You shoot for early success being achieved at after successful opponent film study preparations.

You know…do your job well actually paying off. The simple ..easy…most obvious explanation.

48 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Still waiting for reasoning of how that made things easier for Hurts.

Hurts should be able to make a few pass plays? Like is he supposed to get 3rd and 1 every series? I thought Hurts was a super god leader,but he needs everything easier on every down? WOW you really disrespect him then if you think he can only play when it's EASY

"with a strong emphasis on man coverage, particularly when playing their 4-3 base defense. They are known for using a "Cover-1" (man coverage with a single-high safety) as a staple and run it more than other defenses.”

This wasn’t an internet response just about the SB game

50 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Triple teaming Dorson would be a coach CHOKING. What stat warrants a Dotson triple?

Excellent!!!! Right!!! Spags may do that when he can because as I said he trusts his CB's. In the SB it wasn't a CHOICE, he HAD to cover the box with bark there. With this team it's "pick your poison" Stacking the box means you can't double up out stellar WR's or capable TE. IDK whey we are still discussing this

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

Hurts should be able to make a few pass plays? Like is he supposed to get 3rd and 1 every series? I thought Hurts was a super god leader,but he needs everything easier on every down? WOW you really disrespect him then if you think he can only play when it's EASY

Obviously we won the SB after he faced consistent difficult situations. 2nd and 3rd and 11s he overcame just the first two drives. Still waiting for how anybody sticks by belief those downs were situations Hurts benefited from bad Saquan production previously. Or how they actually believe Spags was selling out expecting run with his playcall.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Obviously we won the SB after he faced consistent difficult situations. 2nd and 3rd and 11s he overcame just the first two drives. Still waiting for how anybody sticks by belief those downs were situations Hurts benefited from bad Saquan production previously. Or how they actually believe Spags was selling out expecting run with his playcall.

Still waiting…

58 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

That isn’t choking. Choking isn’t ever determined by a single play, but rather by the aggregate of play through a whole game. That is simply a dropped pass. To determine whether the player’s aggregate play was a choke, that play along with all the other plays by the player’s aggregate are assessed to determine whether he choked.

For example, by your definition Hurts’ fumble that was run back by KC for a score was a Choke by Hurts. I disagree with that assessment. It was indeed a very bad play by Hurts, one that he has said over and over and over that he regrets, but when that play and all of Hurts’ other SB LVII plays are evaluated as a whole, there is no way anyone can say Hurts’ performance in that game was a choke job.

JMO

https://www.innerdrive.co.uk/blog/why-athletes-choke/ Sports choke definition and let's recall please this was Barks FIRST SB appearance. Something he alwasys wanted

Just now, mattwill said:

That isn’t choking. Choking isn’t ever determined by a single play, but rather by the aggregate of play through a whole game. That is simply a dropped pass. To determine whether the player’s aggregate play was a choke, that play along with all the other plays by the player’s aggregate are assessed to determine whether he choked.

For example, by your definition Hurts’ fumble that was run back by KC for a score was a Choke by Hurts. I disagree with that assessment. It was indeed a very bad play by Hurts, one that he has said over and over and over that he regrets, but when that play and all of Hurts’ other SB LVII plays are evaluated as a whole, there is no way anyone can say Hurts’ performance in that game was a choke job.

JMO

Sure it isn’t a choke of a golfer misses a short putt on 18 with the Masters Championship on the line.

Sure it isn’t a choke if a player misses a few throw with the game on the line.

It isn’t a choke if Elliott misses a 20 yard game winning field goal.