Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

What spinning? Simply pointing out the endless numerous examples proving everything against your opinion? "Seedings only happen after wins” yeah no crap….what would be any significance derived from gaining any win?

Only significance of a win is towards gaining seeding. I mean you just so nonchalantly blew off the point…of THE WHOLE POINT. Winning the division, gaining highest seed and making the playoffs is what the wins can accomplish. Dude…you are persisting on just sticking with the worst point and position. Terrible just opinion from the beginning. But you double, tripling down staying with it just sunk you to levels of blowing off any significance towards seeding. The entire NFL is completely designed revolving exactly around what you are blowing off as irrelevant. It’s instead exactly what’s important.

Just now, mattwill said:

Apples and oranges. Show me an NFL Standings table with Playoffs games in it.

So what are you gaining from a win? One week drinking high fives is the end game and sole significance?

7 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

What season can you even sight as it not occurring? NFL is setup based on division winners. Fifth seed I can’t even remember when that team didn’t have better record than the team hosted the playoff matchup possesing the higher seed.

If a team has a super cake schedule you'd expect them to have a better record?(why schedules matter) If we are the 5 seed are you scared of playing a higher seed if you have a better team? I love home field advantage, but that's not the only thing.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Only significance of a win is towards gaining seeding. I mean you just so nonchalantly blew off the point…of THE WHOLE POINT. Winning the division, gaining highest seed and making the playoffs is what the wins can accomplish. Dude…you are persisting on just sticking with the worst point and position. Terrible just opinion from the beginning. But you double, tripling down staying with it just sunk you to levels of blowing off any significance towards seeding. The entire NFL is completely designed revolving exactly around what you are blowing off as irrelevant. It’s instead exactly what’s important.

No Monsieur Croque, the first and most important significance of a win is in winning your Division. First, last and always.

I don’t know man…this is just a terriblly bad stance and attempted stance to take here. Like not arguably it nitpicking agree to disagree area of different people logic. This is the roots of the most basic fundamental design of the NFL. Barely fan girls who root for teams based on color jerseys even understand all this much even.

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Clearly underachieving at 7th scoring O and 8th yardage gained. One more season of producing the worst first quarter scoring nobody here will look forward to dealing with me as a result….think this fact has already been realized by all.

Agree... let's break it down

7 games Hurts with 25 or more pass attempts, they scored 159 points

Last meaningless game everyone sat out , they scored 20 points vs the Giants.

In those 8 games, that's 179 points total. Less than 22.5 per game

In the 7 games Hurts started and finished, and had 24 or fewer attempts... the Eagles scored 210 points.... 30 points per game.

In the 2 games after Hurts got injured that still counted ( Washington he was 1 for 4 for 11 yards and Dallas he missed)... the Eagles scored 74 points... 37 per game

Lions averaged 33.2

Bills averaged 30.9

Ravens averaged 30.5

Tampa averaged 29.5

Pittsburgh averaged 22.4 ( ranked 16th)

So looking closely at the scoring stats. " CLEARLY UNDERACHIEVING at 7th ranking at 27.2 points per game"

We all can agree with Ham... as we should...

25 or more pass attempts by Hurts = 22.4 per game and tied for 16th ranking

24 or fewer passes by Hurts = 30 per game and ranked 4th

Hurts not playing in a game that counts... 37 per game and TOP RANKED...3.8 points per game higher than any other team.

I agree with Ham's excellent analysis here. The coaching is the issue. They should see what works and stick to it. Obviously looking at these results, it should be obvious how the offense needs to go. We all saw it evolve and thrive this past year, hopefully they continue with the same trend.

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So what are you gaining from a win? One week drinking high fives is the end game and sole significance?

You are taking one step forward in the NFL standings table. As Vince Lombardi famously said, "Winning isn’t the most important thing, it is the ONLY thing.”

Anybody can slip up and say something stupid. Yeah..going there at this point after instead that term was used to describe disagreeing with such an incorrect opinion. But carrying on standing by it so long is embarrassing.

When you bring up NFL standings you’ll even notice it breaking down divisional record and conference records within the overall record. That’s if I actually needed anything more to point out glaringly countering such a bad take. So yep…right there looking at the standings? Says not all games equal.

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I don’t know man…this is just a terriblly bad stance and attempted stance to take here. Like not arguably it nitpicking agree to disagree area of different people logic. This is the roots of the most basic fundamental design of the NFL. Barely fan girls who root for teams based on color jerseys even understand all this much even.

Monsieur Croque, your panties are getting all bunched up. You should take a break or you’ll develop a rash.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

When you bring up NFL standings you’ll even notice it breaking down divisional record and conference records within the overall record. That’s if I actually needed anything more to point out glaringly countering such a bad take. So yep…right there looking at the standings? Says not all games equal.

If

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Who exactly is going undefeated in our division? 1972 was the last undefeated team and they weren't in our division. Who gives a F if you are seed 5 if you have the best team?

Great year...1972!

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Anybody can slip up and say something stupid. Yeah..going there at this point after instead that term was used to describe disagreeing with such an incorrect opinion. But carrying on standing by it so long is embarrassing.

You and I both agreed that Playoffs games were/are different. That isn’t in dispute, and your original stupid statement was comparing regular season games to regular season games. Do you now deny that that was the comparison you made? Are you saying you siipped up and said something stupid?

2022 and 2024 both 14 win season

Just now, joemas6 said:

Great year...1972!

I was with his cousin for 12 years(she visited this year and will be back in August). At some family functions,after a few beers, we would laugh about the fake spike vs the Jets. He is a terrific guy. We also laugh about his Ace Ventura acting LOL

Alright I’m just letting the discussion go about a win is a win. That was every fiber in my body holding back from being to harsh.

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

2022 and 2024 both 14 win season

I was with his cousin for 12 years(she visited this year and will be back in August). At some family functions,after a few beers, we would laugh about the fake spike vs the Jets. He is a terrific guy. We also laugh about his Ace Ventura acting LOL

The fake spike could have possibly been a precursor to the Philly special (although some college teams ran it)

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Alright I’m just letting the discussion go about a win is a win. That was every fiber in my body holding back from being to harsh.

Oh that’ll be the day … when you can’t hold back and are actually harsh. Please sound the klaxon horn air raid sirens so we know that there is incoming artillery.

Have a good night’s sleep. I need to sleep too. It’s been bizarre.

Perhaps tomorrow we can dispense with the cutsie names.

1 hour ago, mattwill said:

I believe (but could be wrong in that belief) are defining "better” subjectively, while Ham is defining it by the count of points on the scoreboard. People who play Fantasy Football don’t like your subjective definition.

I gave the breakdown of the points....why the Eagles fell to 7th....clear breakdown of the games....divided into 3 groups.

25 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Seedings only happen after the wins and losses are tallied … one game at a time.

You are desperate Monsieur Croque. Does all that spinning make you dizzy or just ditzy?

Call my statements pointing out such basic fundamental NFL understanding stupidity then other personal attacks is emabarrasing yourself. A five year old already understands more significance some weeks than others. Just take my kindness trying to offer you taking any turn away from sticking by persisting with this discussion. No version on this one you are anywhere near any defensible reasonable opinion here. Trying so hard to just bail you out of all this…from yourself. It’s bad…sorry dude…but bad bad. Take it or leave it.

Argue the Jets can contend this season …or anything thing else…as a favor I’m pleading to you…for your benefit.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Call my statements pointing out such basic fundamental NFL understanding stupidity then other personal attacks is emabarrasing yourself. A five year old already understands more significance some weeks than others. Just take my kindness trying to offer you taking any turn away from sticking by persisting with this discussion. No version on this one you are anywhere near any defensible reasonable opinion here. Trying so hard to just bail you out of all this…from yourself. It’s bad…sorry dude…but bad bad. Take it or leave it.

I’ll take it. I’ll let you leave it.

52 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Now here is the beginnings of an interesting conversation. Let’s dig into your bolded sentence. In 2024 there was no player who gave the Eagles fits more than Daniels. Why do you think that was? What was his "special sauce” that gave the Eagles such fits?

I have my own opinions, but I would like to hear yours.

With that said, I believe the Eagles can bring Daniels down to earth … neutralize him.

Like they did 2 out of the 3 games they faced him?

30 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

It's mathematically impossible for us to go 16-1 and be seed 5 if another team goes 17-0

Starting out just like last year with the doubts and baloney. Are you a fan of this team? If so you have to believe and you have to believe you can win every week(if you lose you move on aka 1 week at a time) I'm not expecting 14 wins, but 11-12 is definitely doable or are you predicting 7 wins? IMO the NFC still goes through Philly. Opponents will have to prove me wrong

This actually is true. Impossible to lose division only suffering one loss with a team we play twice not ever losing. Totally have no choice but to give you this win. The rest of the statement is garbage. Me pointing out a thousand examples of how the NFL is fundamentally designed was never related to anything I thought about our team or season.

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Like they did 2 out of the 3 games they faced him?

First one doesn’t count. He was nursing an injury. But the NFCCG that was a Fangio masterpiece.

So admitting FL math fact…you can go 15-2 and not gain a home advantage playoff game as the fifth seed. Gotta win your division first. Doesn’t matter at all how many more wins you achieve if you are a wild card comparing towards any division winner.