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Ongoing Eagles New Discussion volume 2

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What’s Mailata getting paid? Dickerson? Jurgens? Lane? All top paid players. What coach doesn’t feature their top paid players? Making it sound like relying on those guys to run block is only a break in case of emergency last resort. They should be the first option. Brees, Brady, Marino…what QB would it take that you choose to not let our Oline attack and maul guys?

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All Eagles fans…do I need to list off height weight lifting capabilities of these Oline we have? Can I skip that with us all understanding just how enormous moving mountains these freak humans are?

Just don’t know…guess it makes me the obnoxious d1ck pointing out just how flawed these statements I’m hearing keep being shared. Because Hurts threw four picks we got forced into relying on the 6’8” 350 pounders to try to move players. Featuring the players at positions our GM prioritizes and pays the most.

3 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I just did fool, sorry I am not at your beck and call 24/7. What a narcissistic BRAT you are

Ok I’ll be fair listening to you fill me in on what I’m missing here. Why wouldn’t you feature our Oline run blocking? Who should you rely on more…I guess would be the question here? I really not purposely trying to be a d1ck about it. I’ll read and consider your response with all sincerity. Actually am sorry my so differing point of view just completely took over with me typing over and over as my way of thinking out loud …clearly I don’t understand.

3 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

So painful we aren't at your beck and call isn't it? When we answer your questions but you refuse to answer ours. So pathetic. Some of us eat dinner, maybe you are spoon fed

Occasionally I’m forced to use utensils like spoons to hide being such a Neanderthal primitive. I answer questions so continently regularly. Pretty much respond to most shared thoughts in general. But what’s your question? I’ll entertain your curiousity best I can. Fire away…unfairly accusing me of avoiding questions I feel. My point of view is you just don’t like my answers is actually the situation if anything.

3 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

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Hurts is all time elite at barely throwing postseason interceptions in what already at 26 is extensive postseason experience. How is the QB that limits interceptions more than almost every single QB ever played in the postseason labeled as flawed interception thrower can’t be trusted to not throw picks? I mean he’s not just decent at avoiding interceptions in the postseason. The guy has been all time elite with this.

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1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Not realistic thinking everything gets done in TC. So mapping out a rough outline of installation bigger picture planning isn’t some outlier thinking. Could be some packages and elements expecting to be needed more later in the schedule. Don’t know how you can really plan any SB in the summer. But thinking biggest picture possible internally with the 2025 Eagles. Not just the whole summer focused on week one against the Cowboys as all that matters concerning our team needs.

We should be planning week 1when the time comes. All teams know other teams tendencies, the only thing that differs are the players who play and the coaches who coach. We aren't even planning week 1 yet, we need to find out who the 53 are that will be playing. if we aren't aware of CeeDee and Dak and what works best against them by now, we truly suck. After we decide who are 53 are we can plan week 1. Screw your "big picture" fantasies. It's 1 week at a time which you fail to grasp

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1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Winning and especially winning championships isn’t BS logic to prioritize over stat chasing. You think however you wish….first thing Brady will do is hold up all his rings!

And he has the stats to back him up doesn't he?

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1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

5 whole interceptions is your defining number of our leader throwing all these interceptions. First time calling Oline blocking assignments, reading everything, calling for motion to begin. Yeah all these years he barely was given this so common place tool in every pro O scheme being run the last decade. Oh yeah…learning this brand new O created developing chemistry with every other O player gets ng on the same page. Not just him…but his targets this season were also reading and adjusting as well. You know…receiving just another common place pro O feature finally. Let’s just be straight about just how mastered and perfected a new O creation can ever possibly be before ever facing live real game testing. Seemed to me it needed to be tweaked and improved after bye week studying its quality.

We've already established this is a lie when we scored 70 points with BU QB's. Get over your godlike admiration and view things for what they are. Seems the BU QB's with less experience were capable of calling blocking assignments? If the BU QB's with less experience can do it, you think Hurts just NOW learned this? makes no sense whatsoever

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1 hour ago, mattwill said:

My belief )opinion) is that it wasn’t a reworking, but rather a scrapping of Moore’s pre-Bye scheme and building the post-Bye scheme we saw.

You bet, it was very obvious, but Ham has to believe Hurts is the offensive "genius" and Siri stands in his way(lol)

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1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

5 whole interceptions is your defining number of our leader throwing all these interceptions

That is more than 1 per game, and that is an AWFUL stat

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1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

What is a reasonable timeframe of grace period creating a Pro O scheme? One month…with some practices to test? One year of hard work by the greatest O mind in history? A decade?

Who is the greatest O mind in history? Did Hurts go from pee wee's to the NFL? Nothing learned in HS or college? He has to be retaught everything on an annual basis? Wouldn't his success be a culmination of all he has learned while being surrounded by the best supporting cast in the league? This is somehow a mystery to you?

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1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Brazil first game of the season feels like enough to completely blow off an interception. Stud G getting beat is actually the guy at fault so Hurts can’t finish his throw. First series…of that first game. No PS action at all. In his own endzone at that. Then maybe we get to how it took a super stud interception machine S coming all the way across making the pick. Kelce retiring adding several more responsibilities the QB first time executing. Brand new O he’s never used in a game.

Blame everyone but Hurts, we already know the fixed non movable agenda. No NFL QB's have to face pressure and respond?? This is all new???

4 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

It’s mostly based on statistical records of factual scoring and interceptions that took place. The educated observation on Siri is just me actually watching the games. Me listening to the pressers. Just observing personalities and football philosophies. Siri believes in himself. He admitted it’s hard to give up running his O. He’s said exactly that. His number one stat or deciding factor for wins and losses being big plays. Demanded Gannon or any DC play accordingly to just never give up the big plays. Which we exactly witnessed soft underneath coverage anybody paying attention should have crusted us exposing just like AR did in that SB.

I agree Sirianni believes in himself. All good CEOs in all industries share that trait.

I don’t agree with your Gannon assessment though. If Sirianni were doing that he would be guilty of micromanaging. Gannon was/is a protege of Fangio, and what we saw from Fangio in 2024 was a strong bias toward not giving up big plays, especially pass plays over the top. So what you attribute to Sirianni, I put squarely on Gannon’s own shoulders. Gannon (nor Desai in 2023) didn’t have the LB talent that Fangio had, so deploying a light box 4-2-5 zone scheme was not without its flaws and risks. Unlike 2024, the defenses of 2021, 2022, and 2023 were susceptible to hot reads over the short middle. The proportion of 4-man rushes under Fangio was significantly lower than either of his predecessors, which meant DeJean was able to be used as a powerful weapon, and the seams between Fangio’s zones can best be described by the expression "what seams?”

Howie and Sirianni wanted Fangio for the 2023 season, but Gannon’s personal selfishness Fed that up.

5 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m detailed and specifically backing up how about every piece occurred points towards my educated assumption and conclusion. About the only thing you have to support is Johnson job title.

Well said … your assumption.

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1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Guess I’m kind of listing out just how numerous the factors are so you can read it and consider just how unreasonable it would be forming a quarter of defining opinion based on that single moment. I’d call the least defining moment of the season in fact.

Lets round it DOWN to 1 pick per game(it was more than that by %). That would equate to 17 picks over the season. It would be quite difficult make a SB appearance with those QB stats???? So we stopped that BS and ran the ball on the recommendations of the Oline who got tired of being tagged for illegal lineman downfield. Seems simple to me, yet you have to complicate the simple with abstract baloney

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1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But five interceptions…holy crap…bench that guy for Ryan Leaf. Take away every reason excusing any QB in that situation not being flawless already. He threw five picks the whole season. No fair reasonable objectionable opinion condemning just the QB on so very little. Especially don’t let facts of All Pro G actually being at fault for the first one instead of the QB. Make sure to never consider the fresh O never been tested very likely wasn’t flawless before it ever tested a game. Number one WR hurt first game. Oline injuries.

Comical

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1 hour ago, mattwill said:

Giving it the label "hero ball” is misleading and a bit unfair to Hurts. I personally call it Moore Ball.

He did it before Moore was here too. I called them "bonehead" plays, so nope I will stand with it being Hurts, but I'm just a hater LOL

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34 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Hurts is all time elite at barely throwing postseason interceptions in what already at 26 is extensive postseason experience. How is the QB that limits interceptions more than almost every single QB ever played in the postseason labeled as flawed interception thrower can’t be trusted to not throw picks? I mean he’s not just decent at avoiding interceptions in the postseason. The guy has been all time elite with this.

because we stopped the hero ball crap

5 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Do you actually believe Siri never interfered with the O and Moore? He’s confident he’s the coach can run the O. Stated just how difficult it was to surrender things to his choice of OC in Steichen…only being forced to for self preservation. My conclusions are based mostly just on Siri DNA. It’s exactly who our coach is. No way he just sat back trusting in two straight coaches weren’t his guys ever. Not sure what else I can do plainly lay out on a platter of all evidence supporting my thoughts over four years of sample size.

In a word … Yes. I am completely confident Sirianni never interfered with Moore’s Offensive scheme.

With that said I believe (opinion) that Sirianni was heavily involved in one play throughout the season … the decisions whether to use the brotherly shove. I also believe (again opinion) that Sirianni made the 4th and 2 call for the pass to AJ.

JMO

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1 hour ago, mattwill said:

Oh the irony. Ham, who won’t answer their questions, insists that they answer his.

Amazing, truly amazing.

I answered in an hour(I was eating dinner at the time). It was the first time he posed this question to me. Mine go unanswered for weeks and years LOL

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https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/nfl-qb-interceptions-2024 At the rate of 1 pick per game(and it was more by %) he would have been #1 in the NFL last year had we(Siri) not stopped it

5 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But volunteer I’m not in the locker room with insider knowledge to share. Just me taking all evidence to form the only conclusion I believe fits. So nothing to just prove I know I’m absolutely correct. Purely overwhelming amounts of circumstantial evidence all pointing at how I came to form this conclusion.

Fair enough. That is all any of us do. And often we come to different conclusions.

I can remember back when the initial rumblings that Howie was considering a trade for Jason Peters, just relax and I were creaming in our jeans at the very thought. Virtually everyone in the Blog disagreed with us. They looked at the same evidence we did and came to a different conclusion. That happens in this incredibly subjective game.

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1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Brett Favre averaged around 18 interceptions a season….guess he never scored points turning the ball over that many times. FL you’d completely make that QB only hand off ever. 4 you conclude defined Hurts…

Brett did not have the running ability Hurts does , neither did Brady. apples/oranges. You can't compare a pocket passer to a running QB with any degree of accuracy, they are 2 totally different styles or are you new to the game? How many plays did Favre and Brady do the tush push? (Not QB sneaks) Why are we even talking about Favre and Brady? Just totally ridiculous

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18 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Lets round it DOWN to 1 pick per game(it was more than that by %). That would equate to 17 picks over the season. It would be quite difficult make a SB appearance with those QB stats???? So we stopped that BS and ran the ball on the recommendations of the Oline who got tired of being tagged for illegal lineman downfield. Seems simple to me, yet you have to complicate the simple with abstract baloney

I'm renaming "abstract baloney" to an easier version.-HAMLOAF

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