15 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Not confusing at all. In a 3-4 the 4 typically includes two ILBs and two OLBs

Think I’m understanding your different way of looking at things to understand our differences surrounding this. That’s really just all going on with this discussion. We aren’t labeling modern D in the same ways.

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Think this was referring to decision making concerning being All In for 2025…makes total sense that the logic is all encompassing

You didn't think we were all in last year either(with possibly a little better team than this year), the Lions, the Lions, the Lions was all we heard. C'mon now. Why do you have to sacrifice one for the other if you draft well every year?

12 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

You didn't think we were all in last year either(with possibly a little better team than this year), the Lions, the Lions, the Lions was all we heard. C'mon now. Why do you have to sacrifice one for the other if you draft well every year?

It’s historically paid off as a very well known strategy.

You don’t have to…but you also could come up short by just a small bit too also. When things are lined up fairly optimally many teams have made the push going All In.

Like could have won the Lombardi last season without Ceedy Duce at S. Maybe. Was glad to added him to get it done though.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

What are you talking about? Perfectly timed bye…as in right week 5 for him to get involved then. If the bye was week 11 that I wouldn’t call perfectly timed according to DeJean rookie timeline. How did you get all out there?

LMAO the bye is the bye, has nothing to do with when players injuries heal. They play when they are ready not because of a bye week

42 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

It’s historically paid off as a very well known strategy.

Ye who thought it would be tough to get 10 wins but "stuck your neck out" when Joe and I saw 12(and they blew that away as well) "The Lions have been working hard all year and are all in for a SB" (but we didn't go all in (LOLOLOLOL)

Ham you didn't believe me either when I said "KC is running into a buzz saw"

12 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

LMAO the bye is the bye, has nothing to do with when players injuries heal. They play when they are ready not because of a bye week

Me referring to it as perfectly timed meant what to you? Perfectly timed at week five for DeJean to get in after. Not sure what tangent you traveled all the way too there.

10 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Ye who thought it would be tough to get 10 wins but "stuck your neck out" when Joe and I saw 12(and they blew that away as well) "The Lions have been working hard all year and are all in for a SB" (but we didn't go all in (LOLOLOLOL)

Yeah…most wins accomplished what? First seed and no postseason wins …certainly no Lombardi. I don’t look at things like you. Over and over just repeated how I hoped we just got far enough by the end. 9 wins earns a playoff spot would work if you have the test team at the end. Vikings tore our regular season win total? What did that mean? Not much…

6 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Ham you didn't believe me either when I said "KC is running into a buzz saw"

I wasn’t doubting we should win that…I was really pretty laid back unusually and confident.

13 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Ye who thought it would be tough to get 10 wins but "stuck your neck out" when Joe and I saw 12(and they blew that away as well) "The Lions have been working hard all year and are all in for a SB" (but we didn't go all in (LOLOLOLOL)

We didn’t make decisions purely based on going All In, no. You are combing all sorts of different things all jumbled together throughout this entire statement.

58 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Five man front isn’t a base package. I mean just..duh. Not sure the disconnect on your flawed question. But you aren’t at fault for AI flawed answer to your flawed question.

It wasn’t my question to AI, it was yours.

3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

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1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Labels…is he on the line of scrimmage or off ball in the second level of the D

3-4 OLBs are off ball so they can hit the line with momentum rather than come up out of a 3-point or 4-point stance.

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1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Nolan played Nickle plenty…you calling that a 3-3 or 2-4 front? It was 4 man front.

4 definitely 5 essentially never.

2 minutes ago, mattwill said:

3-4 OLBs are off ball so they can hit the line with momentum rather than come up out of a 3-point or 4-point stance.

Nobody refers to OLB, Edge players as Off Ball….but can see how there are different ways of viewing things …which we do. Not really a right or wrong. Just explained my five man front view was based on at the line of scrimmage to clarify.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Nobody refers to OLB, Edge players as Off Ball….but can see how there are different ways of viewing things …which we do. Not really a right or wrong. Just explained my five man front view was based on at the line of scrimmage to clarify.

Said I don’t factor in whether hand is in the dirt or not. I factor in levels of the D. First, second and third. Nickle CB kind of an exception since he can lineup in wide varieties.

5 minutes ago, mattwill said:

3-4 OLBs are off ball so they can hit the line with momentum rather than come up out of a 3-point or 4-point stance.

Off ball refers to…well off the line of scrimmage. What we called our Inside LBs last season…terminology semi-officially switched to Inside LB this season.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Old school 3-4 was Nose and two DE…Carter would have been labeled DE in that. Just for your clarity purposes

On running downs it was definitely a Nose, but on passing downs it was more often a DT rather than a NT. Gap assignments were different.

5 minutes ago, mattwill said:

4 definitely 5 essentially never.

I mentioned how a 4-3 Under was even what I referred to as a five man front. Really just no real way for us fans to actually know without being on the headset.

1 minute ago, mattwill said:

On running downs it was definitely a Nose, but on passing downs it was more often a DT rather than a NT. Gap assignments were different.

Like I also was telling you Fangio actually known for the 1.5 gap responsibilities on the Dline….hybrid evolution

Nolan is on the line of scrimmage most every time. Call it whatever you wish…just not Off Ball. But simple case of different views by us both on how we look at everything these days.