10 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

See over and over FL you are going to keep acting like regular season week 2 is equal to postseason success. It’s not. Over and over…Vikings 14 wins like us…never a contender. Wake up!

Dude...give it up. All the way at til the end you kept bringing up the handcuffs on the offense and how it was going to eventually cost us winning it all.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

I mean stated my belief right from the start of the offseason. Consistent the whole way. Think things played out fairly close to what my whole thoughts laid out as the case. Biggest area I was off was on the 10 win regular season part.

Right...you absolutely were consistent all year not having confidence in what was going on and that we weren't going to win at the end

40 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Not until after the Washington win....then it was 50-50.... still with his prepared excuse that it was going to be Siri’s fault if they lost because they didn't do what he wanted vs Cleveland in week 5.

Siri blew Andy away....the last 3 times except for a slippery field.

Too much credit for Siri…c’mon man. Know you just love on him. But you are the guy just everything so perfect for the guy you back. Siri never blew AR away anything. What are we actually crediting Siri for even doing?

I don’t want to get into more long detailed Siri break downs. But moored not even anything special O mind came in and one season got more done than the previous three seasons under Siri. Speaks volumes.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Too much credit for Siri…c’mon man. Know you just love on him. But you are the guy just everything so perfect for the guy you back. Siri never blew AR away anything. What are we actually crediting Siri for even doing?

Come on man.... you think that KC wins without the slippery field? Belt to arse if our DL had footing.

Even the punt return..the punter slipped and 6 defenders didn't have their footing while having the return man cornered. On top of the Bradley call.... and the free 7 points from Hurts.

All that had zero to do with coaching thst gave KC and Andy an additional advantage.

34 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

How do you rework an option bonus? Why would the Eagles have to rework the deal?

You’re way deep into that contract right now…much more than I am this second. Seemed we’d lighten his upcoming cap hits by reworking things I’d assume here next couple of seasons. But…not saying I’m totally deep into exact details about how and all. Cap hits getting very significant though.

45 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Not until after the Washington win....then it was 50-50.... still with his prepared excuse that it was going to be Siri’s fault if they lost because they didn't do what he wanted vs Cleveland in week 5.

Siri blew Andy away....the last 3 times except for a slippery field.

Yeah…if our D became elite top D and the O was held back not getting far enough by the end…I would blame Siri …very likely.

32 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Good video. With the exception of the snow bowl game play and the one before it, the Eagles are in a 4-2-5 scheme, with Smith as one of the front 4 in the light box. In the second play Baun is blitzing from his ILB, so there are 5 pass rushers. In the snow bowl play, both ILBs, Baun and Burks are blitzing, so with the front 4 thst means 6 pass rushers. In the play before the snow play it is a 4-2-5, but Sweat drops off into coverage converting the 4-2-5 into a 3-3-5.

Keep the videos coming. No 5-man fronts so far.

Point I’m saying is label him whatever…he’s on the line of scrimmage esssentially Dline.

13 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Vikings just weren’t ever contender level. Getting better or whatever…they just didn’t have that potential or ceiling. Think you made my point pretty exactly. All about being at your best at the end…as long as you qualify. Exactly why my ten wins wasn’t any judgment about season ceiling cap. 10 wins but growing and getting there at the end was my whole optimism thinking. They got there…right at the end.

Which you clearly said that the Eagles weren't doing it the right way...just playing not to lose, not building anything.

33 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Good video. With the exception of the snow bowl game play and the one before it, the Eagles are in a 4-2-5 scheme, with Smith as one of the front 4 in the light box. In the second play Baun is blitzing from his ILB, so there are 5 pass rushers. In the snow bowl play, both ILBs, Baun and Burks are blitzing, so with the front 4 thst means 6 pass rushers. In the play before the snow play it is a 4-2-5, but Sweat drops off into coverage converting the 4-2-5 into a 3-3-5.

Keep the videos coming. No 5-man fronts so far.

Think I already clarified our misunderstanding surrounding what I said was using five man front specifically stating just caring about who’s at the line of scrimmage not whether hand in dirt or labels and all. Soo ok disagreement I believed was finished and concluded on this.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Think I already clarified our misunderstanding surrounding what I said was using five man front specifically stating just caring about who’s at the line of scrimmage not whether hand in dirt or labels and all. Soo ok disagreement I believed was finished and concluded on this.

Thought you accepted this was the situation and were done about it. I still stand by my thoughts and all. Not saying your different view of labels you were wrong either. My specified version calling Five Man Fronts all along still was right on.

11 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You could actually just side with me on this. FL’s 14 regular season wins shouldn’t be all determining of postseason ceiling. We had two new schemes installing on O and D. Kelce retired. On and on….easily I expected and was acccepting of more difficult scheme installations. O it maybe went rougher actually than I even was thinking. D Fangio crushed the complete 180 turnaround into elite by the fifth game. Hi really expected he’d get that far that quickly?

I would side with you if the whole season you weren't up Siri’s arse saying they weren't building anything..just playing not to lose.

But you consistently kept up the act ...very tiresome ...and you are so arrogant about it too.

35 minutes ago, mattwill said:

That is correct. In those plays he is one of the 4 in the Box in the 4-2-5 scheme deployment.

But you said he’s an OLB and that was 3-3-5 for you. We are stuck just simply referring to things in different ways to get to the same place. Don’t think we are disagreeing …just labeling different.

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

The Hurts contract is certainty...they can let it ride out because each year is an option bonus. No need to restructure. Just decide if they want to keep him past 2028. That's team control.

How is that team control of 2029, 2030, and 2031? The player decides whether to be a UFA, not the team.

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

KC ...I'm trying to tell you, they still have monster Cap hits the next 2 years...you see Mahomes being under contract past 2029... as a good thing. I don't. Because those Cap hits you seem to think are reasonable...are going to get higher with the restructures.

Restructures are "zero-sum games”. For every dollar that you move from a current Cap year into a future Cap year the current period Cap goes down by an amount equal to the amount the future year goes up. Using Mahomes actual numbers, if KC wants to bring down the $78,213,888 in 2026 they can convert $30M into a portable bonus that will increase 2027 through 2031 by $6M each. Yes they go up, but at the same time 2026 comes down. The improvement in 2026 perfectly matches the aggregate increases to the five future years so they go to $80M, $48M,$51M, $52M and $54Zm respectively. And 2026 comes down to $48M which is lower than the AAV of the top eleven QBs and $3M below Hurts’ AAV.

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

It's absolutely not ideal to sacrifice $100 plus million of cap hits just to show on paper that a player is under contract.

I'd prefer to start a new contract.. and the easy selling point... you keep harping on Mahomed from 2020 before 2023... comparing that to Hurts starting 2023.

In 2028 what do you expect the Hurts contract AAV to be?

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

What is the thing they have in common? They are the start of the contracts. That's why I prefer to start over again with Hurts if we choose. Because it will start with low cap hits again. KC is already locking themselves with the high cap hits as they keep shifting money to those years. Shifting money and still remaining much higher cap hits that Hurts...until 2029, when it will be much closer than it looks on paper right now...then Mahomes again will have higher cap hits than Hurts.

It's easy to see... other than 2029... Mahomes will have much higher cap hits than Hurts.

Again... take the win with State Farm..but in no way is Mahomes any where close to as good of a contract situation as Hurts is. Not close

27 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Agreed, but as I said above, when the CB is in press coverage he is on the LOS, but he clearly isn’t part of the 4 of a 4-2-5, but rather part of the 5. So second level as a term is a bit imprecise. In the Box or not in the Box seems like a better description. Look at the play at the 6:00 point in the clip below from the NFCCG and see what you think.

Video unavailable. Anyway…too complicated because we just aren’t speaking the same language. Great point on a CB…out wide. Nobody considered that…but a loophole against how I specified everything originally. Take a S or Off Ball LB(ILB)…,if those guys come all the way up to the line of scrimmage in the A(0)gap let’s say. You counting that as layers on the Front? To complex to really discuss here between us.

26 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

See over and over FL you are going to keep acting like regular season week 2 is equal to postseason success. It’s not. Over and over…Vikings 14 wins like us…never a contender. Wake up!

LMAFO the flailing helplessly swirling in the whirlpool around the drain. Love the entertainment, but Hurts got married so we're all done

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Video unavailable. Anyway…too complicated because we just aren’t speaking the same language. Great point on a CB…out wide. Nobody considered that…but a loophole against how I specified everything originally. Take a S or Off Ball LB(ILB)…,if those guys come all the way up to the line of scrimmage in the A(0)gap let’s say. You counting that as layers on the Front? To complex to really discuss here between us.

UH click where it says "watch on Youtube?"

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Yeah…if our D became elite top D and the O was held back not getting far enough by the end…I would blame Siri …very likely.

But the O was putting up monster points vs the good defenses and getting way more physically dominant and efficient each game.

Your stick up the arse with the Carolina game when Hurts struggled and AJ called it out. From that point you wanted to trade AJ. Brought up a shirt he was wearing, the book, the relaxing on the sideline...anything you could think of because he didn't bow down to Hurts

Really it was pathetic. It was clearly a let down game right smack in the middle of some big games...2 wins at LA and Baltimore...with Pittsburgh and Washington coming up.

But you completely lost faith. And got butt hurt because everyone knew your boy played a bad game.

God forbid he has a bad game and the whole world knew it.

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But you said he’s an OLB and that was 3-3-5 for you. We are stuck just simply referring to things in different ways to get to the same place. Don’t think we are disagreeing …just labeling different.

By designation he is a 3-4 OLB. All you have to do is look at the Eagles roster on the team website. In the plays in the videos he has dropped down in the Box, but the key is that there are only 4 in the Box, not the 5 you were arguing for. Your own videos disprove your point. As you clearly said, and I agree with you, Fangio runs lots of hybrids of his base 4-2-5.

7 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Video unavailable. Anyway…too complicated because we just aren’t speaking the same language. Great point on a CB…out wide. Nobody considered that…but a loophole against how I specified everything originally. Take a S or Off Ball LB(ILB)…,if those guys come all the way up to the line of scrimmage in the A(0)gap let’s say. You counting that as layers on the Front? To complex to really discuss here between us.

Just open the video in YouTube.

6 minutes ago, mattwill said:

How is that team control of 2029, 2030, and 2031? The player decides whether to be a UFA, not the team.

Restructures are "zero-sum games”. For every dollar that you move from a current Cap year into a future Cap year the current period Cap goes down by an amount equal to the amount the future year goes up. Using Mahomes actual numbers, if KC wants to bring down the $78,213,888 in 2026 they can convert $30M into a portable bonus that will increase 2027 through 2031 by $6M each. Yes they go up, but at the same time 2026 comes down. The improvement in 2026 perfectly matches the aggregate increases to the five future years so they go to $80M, $48M,$51M, $52M and $54Zm respectively. And 2026 comes down to $48M which is lower than the AAV of the top eleven QBs and $3M below Hurts’ AAV.

In 2028 what do you expect the Hurts contract AAV to be?

Really....you take up half the page with one post quoting 6 different posts and charts and asking 10 questions,

Let's go one at a time.

Let's start up to 2028. In which year will Mahomes have a lower cap hit than Hurts.

Can we agree the answer is none? Just a yes or no answer to this one point... then I'll go to next point...one point at a time.

Any year up to and including 2028 will Mahomes have a lower cap hit than Hurts?

6 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

But the O was putting up monster points vs the good defenses and getting way more physically dominant and efficient each game.

Your stick up the arse with the Carolina game when Hurts struggled and AJ called it out. From that point you wanted to trade AJ. Brought up a shirt he was wearing, the book, the relaxing on the sideline...anything you could think of because he didn't bow down to Hurts

Really it was pathetic. It was clearly a let down game right smack in the middle of some big games...2 wins at LA and Baltimore...with Pittsburgh and Washington coming up.

But you completely lost faith. And got butt hurt because everyone knew your boy played a bad game.

God forbid he has a bad game and the whole world knew it.

We had to carry Ham all year 🤣

15 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Thought you accepted this was the situation and were done about it. I still stand by my thoughts and all. Not saying your different view of labels you were wrong either. My specified version calling Five Man Fronts all along still was right on.

Look at the videos, both yours and mine, with the exception of the snow game play against the Rams, never more than four in the Box. And in the Rams play the blitzes are the two ILBs Baun and Burks. Still only four D-linemen.

It is the beauty of Fangio’s scheme. Even with a double blitz, he has 5 DBs in coverage.

I kinda miss bad man Cox though. What a great player

7 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Really....you take up half the page with one post quoting 6 different posts and charts and asking 10 questions,

Let's go one at a time.

Let's start up to 2028. In which year will Mahomes have a lower cap hit than Hurts.

Can we agree the answer is none? Just a yes or no answer to this one point... then I'll go to next point...one point at a time.

No we can’t. 2028 Mahomes is a $42M Cap hit and Hurts is a $47 M Cap hit. Then 2029 Mahomes is a $74M Cap hit and Hurts is a $97M cap hit.