10 hours ago, Crazy Legs said:

So, it's all but certain, we will throw whatever it takes to pry Ty Warren away from the Colts by next season, if not immediately.

How's this sound: Tanner McKee, 2 day #2 and 3 day #3 picks and a swap of #1 picks for Ty Warren and Riley Leonard.

If they are ready to deal now, we could include a TE or two.

I gotta think on this idea. Trade them their starting QB and several high picks for Warren…hmmm…I do really like Warren….but feels like giving up way too much here. We’re discussing possibly even trading McKee for two second round picks…after that very strong PS game and the offseason where we ditched Pickett clearly showing how impressed we are with McKee.

4 second round picks and 3 third round picks. Think I’d rather take my chances swinging with 7 day two draft picks.

8 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

That's big lift there LOL

Have to agree…too rich for my blood. Think very highly of Warren though.

8 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

LOL Ham gets upset when A) They trade a guy he likes or B) we don't open the checkbook for guys he wants(almost everyone). He is still mad we got rid of Reddick and he won't let that die either LOL. So when Booker succeeds we won't hear the end of that

Actually wasn’t really ever mad we got rid of Reddick. Was a tough move to ditch that high a caliber pass rusher in a season going for a Lombardi. But totally makes sense to choose not too extend him at his age and price point he was looking for. My problem was more about ditching him for Bryce Huff as the whole plan all along. Never believed Huff was worth that money for us. Just was so glaringly a player propped up by his quality teammates and coach hitting his peak in his contract year. His peak never being an every down player even. His peak never featuring a nice polished options of varying pass rusher moves.

8 hours ago, Crazy Legs said:

What, too generous?

Made me consider and think some….but I believe so

5 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Which teams?

Easy to list a few…but no way to know them all yet…or the most desperate. Is it possible a starting QB gets injured for any team? Or could phrase it the opposite…is it possible no starting QBs get injured?

2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Yep.I see zero reason to trade him now. After his lights out performance, he's worth more than that now IMO. Trade T-R. If McCord shows out this week he will probably be cut anyhow. Disappointing first shot for McCord, but he is a rook after all. He needs a bounce back performance. One or the other will be going away

Whose T-R? Dorian Thompson Robinson I assume. What value trade does he have? Nothing even worth mentioning in my opinion…maybe a seventh rounder…like I said..not worth mentioning.

5 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Why couldn't you get that after the season?

Maybe we could get that after franchise tagging him three seasons. Huge mountain of what ifs between here and there. His trade value is high right now. Most anything he does after these next two PS games to increase his value higher….then I definitely don’t want to trade him.

Let’s also remember how I’ve been telling you McKee was the clear best number two option before last season. While you argued Rosie could do no wrong and trading for Pickett locking in over McKee as the backup was the right move.

So from the end of last season to right now…you’ve done a complete 180 flip as far as you possibly could. You didn’t think he was the number two…all the way to he’s a lock anytime on the future at such a high trade value.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Maybe we could get that after franchise tagging him three seasons. Huge mountain of what ifs between here and there. His trade value is high right now. Most anything he does after these next two PS games to increase his value higher….then I definitely don’t want to trade him.

Let’s also remember how I’ve been telling you McKee was the clear best number two option before last season. While you argued Rosie could do no wrong and trading for Pickett locking in over McKee as the backup was the right move.

So from the end of last season to right now…you’ve done a complete 180 flip as far as you possibly could. You didn’t think he was the number two…all the way to he’s a lock anytime on the future at such a high trade value.

Which is always fine to change and correct your error in thinking….one PS game changed your mind from he’s a third stringer to now a lock at two second round picks his entire future…one PS game sure effected you as much as it possibly could.

6 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Why couldn't you get that after the season?

I’ve been telling you he’s good this whole time…but even being that guy I’m now telling you his trade value is high right now. Just a zillion possible things that could happen to lower his trade value between here and there.

2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Yep.I see zero reason to trade him now. After his lights out performance, he's worth more than that now IMO. Trade T-R. If McCord shows out this week he will probably be cut anyhow. Disappointing first shot for McCord, but he is a rook after all. He needs a bounce back performance. One or the other will be going away

Your argument was actually exactly the case I’m making towards the opposite point of view. His lights out performance just launched his trade value right now. That is…if you believe trading a player at his peak value is good. He’s been valuable to us. But now…he’s worth so much more to practically the entire league that wasn’t aware of what we’ve known already. Felt like most probably hardly knew who McKee even was…he just had his coming out party.

2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

"Further specifics on Dickerson’s injury are not yet known. He was not listed on the team’s injury report on Sunday, though he was limited the day before due to a knee injury." So if he was limited a day earlier why did he participate Sunday? If his knee gave out, of course he could easily twist his leg, so I can't really understand why he was even out there. Of course I am second guessing, but seems to me if the starters are not 100% you need to make sure they are first? IDK after this long you'd think they would have some info about it?(this was 2 minutes ago per yahoo Sports). Maybe Joe or another local hear more of an update we aren't getting?

I doubt we hear a peep until positive confirmation of test results are concluded. Even then….Rosie would like to make any trade calls first before official broadcasting of the results if terrible.

Feeling like Cooper at WR is in

But FL on DTR…if he does keep improving and showing he can play and has some value? Believe that actually just makes more of a case to be able to trade McKee. QB factory remember. McKee drafted, developed and traded. DTR more similar to Hurts style proved can be the backup…then enables us to keep and develop McCord much easier. The QB factory keeps churning them out. It’s almost exactly what Lurie has described as being his plan being a QB factory.

20 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Feeling like Cooper at WR is in

Will be disappointed if he is not WRs 4-6

15 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But FL on DTR…if he does keep improving and showing he can play and has some value? Believe that actually just makes more of a case to be able to trade McKee. QB factory remember. McKee drafted, developed and traded. DTR more similar to Hurts style proved can be the backup…then enables us to keep and develop McCord much easier. The QB factory keeps churning them out. It’s almost exactly what Lurie has described as being his plan being a QB factory.

Need a first and a mid round pick to make it feel right.

Maybe even more after the Dickerson injury

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Maybe we could get that after franchise tagging him three seasons. Huge mountain of what ifs between here and there. His trade value is high right now. Most anything he does after these next two PS games to increase his value higher….then I definitely don’t want to trade him.

Let’s also remember how I’ve been telling you McKee was the clear best number two option before last season. While you argued Rosie could do no wrong and trading for Pickett locking in over McKee as the backup was the right move.

So from the end of last season to right now…you’ve done a complete 180 flip as far as you possibly could. You didn’t think he was the number two…all the way to he’s a lock anytime on the future at such a high trade value.

i don't coach... don't watch preseason... I don't pick the roster. Last year Pickett was #2... McKee was #3. Last year we won the Superbowl This year McKee is #2. I would prefer not to trade the #2... especially at the dirt cheap price and team control for 2 years. I'm thinking of both not having a #2 now.... and also having to spend $$ for a #2.

I don't seen McKee's trade value declining. Either teams will see him as a potential starter and pay for him, or they won't... I don't see it changing if he stays with the Eagles this season. I'm not rushing to trade him this season. Makes zero sense to me. NONE.

That's Eagles conversation without talking about myself.... try it some time. Nobody cares about you stating McKee was the best option for #2 last year. The Eagles won the SB and ended up doing really well at QB ... all 3 spots all season. It couldn't have worked out any better at all. If you look at what they gave up and received in return for Pickett... and the $$ of all the contracts. The Eagles were able to spend absolute minimum at backup QB and have received quality play. Simple look at the results last year... the only downside from Pickett aside from Smith dropping the TD pass in their loss vs Washington, was the last pass in the SB that could have helped me win the block pool if they got the first down to finish the game. McKee was able to help the team running the scout team. These things absolutely are part of why teams win.

6 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So I’m viewing things practically completely opposite from your take on this one. The others didn’t have trade value.

And we still wouldn’t have traded Booker if he was such a huge piece of the rotation… We are a team that values the DL and the depth/rotation.

If we were willing to trade Booker means he was expendable. Why was Booker deemed expendable the guys behind him be it Ty, Gabe, Young combo of the three….

6 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But FL on DTR…if he does keep improving and showing he can play and has some value? Believe that actually just makes more of a case to be able to trade McKee. QB factory remember. McKee drafted, developed and traded. DTR more similar to Hurts style proved can be the backup…then enables us to keep and develop McCord much easier. The QB factory keeps churning them out. It’s almost exactly what Lurie has described as being his plan being a QB factory.

Don’t see McKee getting traded this season unless some team vastly over pays like 1st or 2nd round pick. Next year on when McKee is on his final year then maybe since then you have McCord in year two and possibly still have DTR with another year under his belt in the system

Dickerson got carted off the field during practice massive story to follow

7 hours ago, Iggles25 said:

Will be disappointed if he is not WRs 4-6

Agree…said they were giving him opportunities at Returns and as a Gunner….feels like they are carving out a spot for him on the team.

6 hours ago, joemas6 said:

i don't coach... don't watch preseason... I don't pick the roster. Last year Pickett was #2... McKee was #3. Last year we won the Superbowl This year McKee is #2. I would prefer not to trade the #2... especially at the dirt cheap price and team control for 2 years. I'm thinking of both not having a #2 now.... and also having to spend $$ for a #2.

I don't seen McKee's trade value declining. Either teams will see him as a potential starter and pay for him, or they won't... I don't see it changing if he stays with the Eagles this season. I'm not rushing to trade him this season. Makes zero sense to me. NONE.

That's Eagles conversation without talking about myself.... try it some time. Nobody cares about you stating McKee was the best option for #2 last year. The Eagles won the SB and ended up doing really well at QB ... all 3 spots all season. It couldn't have worked out any better at all. If you look at what they gave up and received in return for Pickett... and the $$ of all the contracts. The Eagles were able to spend absolute minimum at backup QB and have received quality play. Simple look at the results last year... the only downside from Pickett aside from Smith dropping the TD pass in their loss vs Washington, was the last pass in the SB that could have helped me win the block pool if they got the first down to finish the game. McKee was able to help the team running the scout team. These things absolutely are part of why teams win.

Yeah some of that was a bit fortunate however. Pickett was the lesser option of the two. Like I was telling you all along…but was locked in ahead of McKee. So many possible scenarios where that actually could have backfired on us if things didn’t play out the way they did last season. But then…now you don’t want to trade away our number two. It would be so much easier to do if….now Rosie didn’t trade away Pickett for peanuts. So really back to back dumb moves by Rosie with Pickett. But…he got DTR in the deal. So….if DTR keeps stepping up like he has been? Then it makes the McKee much easier to part with. Hope that scenario works out.

Glad you are on board finally with McKee…but unfortunately…like usual….you’re too late. He’s gone with just medium play this next PS game.

1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

And we still wouldn’t have traded Booker if he was such a huge piece of the rotation… We are a team that values the DL and the depth/rotation.

If we were willing to trade Booker means he was expendable. Why was Booker deemed expendable the guys behind him be it Ty, Gabe, Young combo of the three….

See…you are thinking "we” …as in the past…or others actually. It’s now Fangio…not the past ..other than last season. Sure he values Dline….but we saw a massive change in Fangio views the entire D. Paying huge money to a LB now…not like "we”. Drafted Q in the first…not like "we.” After first round CB…traded up to draft another CB back to back in the early second with DeJean…not like "we.” Then came right back and drafted Makuba a S…in the second…not like "we.”

You gotta catch up man…your in danger of being that guy going to the gas station expecting to pay 1.50 a gallon.

1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Don’t see McKee getting traded this season unless some team vastly over pays like 1st or 2nd round pick. Next year on when McKee is on his final year then maybe since then you have McCord in year two and possibly still have DTR with another year under his belt in the system

Is that vastly overpaying for a starting QB? But thanks for the reply as it seems several of us on near on the same page. We can get a second round pick for McKee I’m feeling very strongly. So he’s gone. I was hoping closer to two second round picks. I mean honestly….this is exactly time for Rosie to shine. He’s gotta get the bidding war rolling. I have faith in him being able to squeeze some excellent juice out of this trade.

6 hours ago, joemas6 said:

i don't coach... don't watch preseason... I don't pick the roster. Last year Pickett was #2... McKee was #3. Last year we won the Superbowl This year McKee is #2. I would prefer not to trade the #2... especially at the dirt cheap price and team control for 2 years. I'm thinking of both not having a #2 now.... and also having to spend $$ for a #2.

I don't seen McKee's trade value declining. Either teams will see him as a potential starter and pay for him, or they won't... I don't see it changing if he stays with the Eagles this season. I'm not rushing to trade him this season. Makes zero sense to me. NONE.

That's Eagles conversation without talking about myself.... try it some time. Nobody cares about you stating McKee was the best option for #2 last year. The Eagles won the SB and ended up doing really well at QB ... all 3 spots all season. It couldn't have worked out any better at all. If you look at what they gave up and received in return for Pickett... and the $$ of all the contracts. The Eagles were able to spend absolute minimum at backup QB and have received quality play. Simple look at the results last year... the only downside from Pickett aside from Smith dropping the TD pass in their loss vs Washington, was the last pass in the SB that could have helped me win the block pool if they got the first down to finish the game. McKee was able to help the team running the scout team. These things absolutely are part of why teams win.

Appreciate the feedback. It’s hard to part with a quality player that’s cheap. Can totally understand that. It’s not easy decisions all the way around. You gotta consider one more bit of info in all your thinking also however. If teams are trying to trade for McKee to be their starter…then you have to consider the players position also,not position like QB, like he would be missing out on the chance of a lifetime to get his own team to start for and opportunity to go earn the just outrageous fortune that awaits successful starting QBs.

Let’s jump ahead to McKee’s extension happening next offseason…first it possibly can be earned for any NFL player. What’s his extension look like if he doesn’t play any regular season games this year when we trade him in the offseason? Versus…he could go out and earn up to 50 mil a season with most anything better than just serviceable play as a starter all season.

Next offseason, will a team trade all that for McKee AND extend him at some huge money?

The Colts might be in a quandry. They possess two premium first round picks at QB that do not demonstrate the capability to lead a successfull offense.

What are they thinking? What are they getting for over $23M in cap space this season?

Just suppose Howie were to get an inquiry regarding McKee's availability? What response do you think he would give?

What would YOU want?

If Hurts remains healthy, McKee is merely a very fortunate insurance policy...both cheap and talented...possibly for the next two seasons.

Ty Warren was another highly talented and premium prospect. He could possibly develop into a perennial All-Pro. How often do they come allong? Who will our TE be next season?

I'm just saying...