4 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

You skip over too many things and make too many assumptions.

1. The salary cap.... you have backup QB on lock for multiple years ...at dirt cheap. That's huge value.... not just " insurance" it's a roster spot at very inexpensive cost! LONG TERM... a way to build a dynasty.... that's two birds in the bush. Rolling cap, there will be value to this way down the road.

2. You assume McKee would be seen as a starter NOW by other teams.... HUGE ASSumption.

3. You assume McKee's trade value is high now? Why wouldn't it be higher AFTER this season ? As teams go through failure with other QBs? And as McKee gets more experience in the league. More seasoning. At the very least, why would it be lower????

We won't pick until next April.... no need to trade until this season is over.

1. The incremental Salary Cap amounts are zero if they keep DT-R and McCord.

2. This hypothetical only exists if Howie has offers. If a team makes an offer, then they believe McKee is a starter. Not an assumption, a pre-condition.

3. It wouldn’t be higher because the acquiring team would only get the low cost of one rookie contract year rather than two AND the acquiring team would only have one season to decide whether their gamble has paid off sufficiently to warrant signing McKee to a big contract extension. They prefer not to put themselves into a forced negotiation.

9 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Agreed. Lots of good luck and lots of good preparation. With that said, how many Super Bowls did they miss in that span? How many did they lose? How many of the six did their backup QB deliver any value?

You don't remember Brady suspension.... or the year he got hurt? Wins and then real trade value. AFTER playing

9 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Rarely 4 that we want to keep. One is usually a JAG.

what is JAG?

Just now, joemas6 said:

Seriously.... the most SBs of any team and you are bringing up negative... did Ham hack your account?

You are the one who is making the argument that keeping McKee guarantees a sure thing SB win. My point is simply that there is no such thing as a sure SB win.

Further in business, insurance protects your downside, but it doesn’t enhance your upside. McKee is an insurance policy. Nothing more nothing less.

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

what is JAG?

Just a guy. A place holder. A camp body.

2 minutes ago, mattwill said:

1. The incremental Salary Cap amounts are zero if they keep DT-R and McCord.

2. This hypothetical only exists if Howie has offers. If a team makes an offer, then they believe McKee is a starter. Not an assumption, a pre-condition.

3. It wouldn’t be higher because the acquiring team would only get the low cost of one rookie contract year rather than two AND the acquiring team would only have one season to decide whether their gamble has paid off sufficiently to warrant signing McKee to a big contract extension. They prefer not to put themselves into a forced negotiation.

Oh boy... #3 is a huge assumption. Very huge.... you think McKee would have better trade value now... while teams have unknowns at QB and he himself hasn't played much, never been a #2 QB yet.... vs other teams seeing failure in their own current guys and McKee adding more experience?

4 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

You don't remember Brady suspension.... or the year he got hurt? Wins and then real trade value. AFTER playing

No I don’t remember either of those. I don’t follow the Patriots that closely. How did they do those years?

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Oh boy... #3 is a huge assumption. Very huge.... you think McKee would have better trade value now... while teams have unknowns at QB and he himself hasn't played much, never been a #2 QB yet.... vs other teams seeing failure in their own current guys and McKee adding more experience?

It isn’t an assumption. It is basic Business School risk mitigation.

2 minutes ago, mattwill said:

You are the one who is making the argument that keeping McKee guarantees a sure thing SB win. My point is simply that there is no such thing as a sure SB win.

Further in business, insurance protects your downside, but it doesn’t enhance your upside. McKee is an insurance policy. Nothing more nothing less.

Now I know Ham hacked your account... I said anything about guarantees?

Do you think the Eagles have a better shot at winning the SB with McKee on the roster ...very day at practice and being there incase Hurts misses time? Or not?

Then this really huge ASSumption McKee's value is highest now?

28 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Do you think McKee's value drops or increases after this year?

The only way his stock decreases is if he has some shaky to poor performances in regular season games this season. If he doesn't play, his stock can't drop below the current threshold. It would slightly increase if a team is in need of a starting QB.

16 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

No it didn't... it was a swap of Pickett for him

Keeping Pickett and drafting McCord would have created the same congestion. The fourth QB has to go through waivers after being cut … unless he is a vested veteran.

Just now, EaglesTD123 said:

The only way his stock decreases is if he has some shaky to poor performances in regular season games this season. If he doesn't play, his stock can't drop below the current threshold. It would slightly increase if a team is in need of a starting QB.

That is true if the only variable is onfield performance, but that isn’t the only variable. Contract status is another key variable. A player with two years of control at a bargain price is worth more than a player with one year of control at a bargain price.

Further, a player with a looming contract negotiation (and impending UFA status) is worth less than a player without those looming events.

38 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Do you think McKee's value drops or increases after this year?

That depends on whether Hurts gets injured and McKee gets to play. If he rides the pine the whole season, his value goes down.

3 minutes ago, mattwill said:

That is true if the only variable is onfield performance, but that isn’t the only variable. Contract status is another key variable. A player with two years of control at a bargain price is worth more than a player with one year of control at a bargain price.

Further, a player with a looming contract negotiation (and impending UFA status) is worth less than a player without those looming events.

Yes

On 8/12/2025 at 12:10 PM, cunninghamtheman said:

If I could post pictures of Pickett in two non-Steelers jerseys….it would prove No MAs doesn’t know what the heck he’s talking about

Those pictures would prove nothing. Nada, absolutamente nada.

On 8/12/2025 at 12:14 PM, cunninghamtheman said:

You don’t know what you’re talking about either. Pickett played for this team called the Eagles last season. Pickett suffered a hammy as a Brown. 0-2 for you. But No MAs claims Pickett had no way to force his way out of accepting his backup QB role in Pittsburgh last season they placed him in…since he still had two years remains on his rookie contract.

Ham, did Pickett force his way out of the Eagles?

He’s no longer wearing an Eagles jersey?

On 8/12/2025 at 12:16 PM, GreenbleedinNC said:

Just because he wears different jerseys doesn't mean he forced his way out LOL. I'm sure you can post him in an Eagles and Browns jersey, so?

Thank you.

21 minutes ago, mattwill said:

You are the one who is making the argument that keeping McKee guarantees a sure thing SB win. My point is simply that there is no such thing as a sure SB win.

Further in business, insurance protects your downside, but it doesn’t enhance your upside. McKee is an insurance policy. Nothing more nothing less.

This is where you and I disagree.... I played sports my whole life and still do at 52. I absolutely see value in a teammate being there through all the work that goes into a sport... and it's an easy argument to say that a QB on a football team has more impact in practice and in the film room than any other position in any sport.

The quality of practice... the play of the whole entire second team offense and having the individual backup players ready to step up... the backup QBs take a huge responsibility in that.

Way way more than just an insurance policy. This is football... not business.... its why the great business man Joe Banner isn't in the league and his replacement who understands more about football is a two time champ.

An NFL organization needs to be run with a combo of football (old school sports mentality) and business by the numbers ... along with culture. Your obsession with trading McKee is simply greed of numbers ... assets. Not looking at the whole picture.

On 8/12/2025 at 12:25 PM, cunninghamtheman said:

The other wager is about you say a backup QB can’t force his way to be traded under rookie contract. So put your money where your mouth is. Either accept the bet I can’t post a picture of Kenny Pickett in any other pro nfl team uniform but a Steelers jersey..or admit your wrong and I’m correct.

That bet is a non sequitur. Forcing out of a contract and wearing a different jersey are two unrelated realities.

On 8/12/2025 at 12:30 PM, cunninghamtheman said:

Proving you so very very wrong…time and time again. You said players have no power or leverage to force their way out. So clearly I couldn’t prove Pickett forced his way out of Pittsburgh. Under his rookie contract. With two years remaining.

And you can’t prove that. You can speculate, but you have no evidence to prove the veracity of your hypothesis.

Evidence is not one of your strong suits.

22 minutes ago, EaglesTD123 said:

The only way his stock decreases is if he has some shaky to poor performances in regular season games this season. If he doesn't play, his stock can't drop below the current threshold. It would slightly increase if a team is in need of a starting QB.

Correct... so in order to maximize McKee as a business asset... knowing the next asset we could get for him is a 2026 pick.... you would want to use him in 2026.

Like any asset... you use all the way up until the value diminishes. Correct.

31 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Just a guy. A place holder. A camp body.

Which we still don't know if either guy behind McKee is anything more than that. If you want my opinion now... I think very highly likely that one of the other two end up on the practice squad.

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Correct... so in order to maximize McKee as a business asset... knowing the next asset we could get for him is a 2026 pick.... you would want to use him in 2026.

Like any asset... you use all the way up until the value diminishes. Correct.

Many assets, like stocks and bonds realize a higher value if sold rather than retained until maturity. Talk to any stocks and bonds trader. They will confirm that.

30 minutes ago, mattwill said:

No I don’t remember either of those. I don’t follow the Patriots that closely. How did they do those years?

So Brady got hurt the first game of 2008... after the perfect season. Right into the knee game one. Matt Cassell took over and led the Pats to the playoffs. Was traded the following year for a good amount

you don't remember Brady getting suspended for deflating the balls? Really?

29 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Keeping Pickett and drafting McCord would have created the same congestion. The fourth QB has to go through waivers after being cut … unless he is a vested veteran.

Why do you assume McCord wouldn't clear waivers?