16 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

You can't coach this here

So why focus on what can’t be coached are anything done about. Instead of Hurts Hating hyperfocusing on his limitations…. why not embrace all the quality his hard work and dedication can deliver for us?

11 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Mike Vick threw the ball completely out of the stadium

I heard it went over the river

Another thing I liked about Ainais,well 2 things,he has a burst acceleration,if you miss the tackle he is GONE!. And he has great hands,he can take laser shots all day

28 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Not bad being misused all year

Just pointing out he wasn’t even top ten last year…though I believe he is a top ten TE. Honestly I don’t even know how I’d rank the TEs. There is Kelce. Then four or five second tier level TEs. Then I’d put Goedert in the conversation against the rest. 

14 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So why focus on what can’t be coached are anything done about. Instead of Hurts Hating hyperfocusing on his limitations…. why not embrace all the quality his hard work and dedication can deliver for us?

Because any decent coach has this talent built in. No one is hyperfocused we merely point out Hurts isn't a god. I'm glad he works hard,he still has work to do. He will probably never throw 65 yards,so we have to use the short game for him. The more short tools you have(TE and slot and pass catching RB's) the better Hurts will be. Speed is not that important as the guys we have already can outrun Hurts arm. That is not hating Hurts, he is human and has his limitations. It's just reality

7 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I heard it went over the river

It was a viral video at the time, Vick could flip his wrist and throw a laser dart 40 yards.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Just pointing out he wasn’t even top ten last year…though I believe he is a top ten TE. Honestly I don’t even know how I’d rank the TEs. There is Kelce. Then four or five second tier level TEs. Then I’d put Goedert in the conversation against the rest. 

Yeah as I said last year was bad for him stat wise because he was used wrong. I don't think Moore makes that mistake. Now it comes down to target share which will be an issue because of our outside WR's. A decent slot guy will cut into that too,but we need to be able to hurt teams anywhere on the field,so IDK how he does this year either we will see

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

It was a viral video at the time, Vick could flip his wrist and throw a laser dart 40 yards.

Mike Vick was shorter than Hurts

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

So why focus on what can’t be coached are anything done about. Instead of Hurts Hating hyperfocusing on his limitations why not embrace all the quality his hard work and dedication can deliver for us?

Why is it " hating"???     When the whole point of the conversation is to help him.   Since he doesn't have the arm, it makes sense to get him the player that can help him in so many ways like Goedert.     Getting a guy like A Smith instead of Quez.  Quez was drafted in 2020... Hurts was not the QB1 at that time.   Now, we look to get guys that can help Hurts.   The two rookies ... one with the YAC, the ability with the ball in his hands once he gets it near the line.... and the big body outside WR that works for his soft lofted jump ball.

It's not hating... it's understanding the limitations.. and looking to build an offense around him.    I don't get why you come off with this anger when finally they addressed specifically the proper type of players ... the style ... that fits with Hurts????     

Let the anger go man.... its 2024, your guy had his best offseason and to be honest, look at what they did around him.... locked up every young player... Mailata, Dickerson, AJ and Smith... they added the best RB available, an all around type of guy that can handle a workload, pass protect and be a quality receiver.    The added touch with the 2 WRs that fit perfectly for specifically him.    they changed the play caller to a guy that has had success with lesser talent.  

I don't get all this obsession with the negative???    

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

Yeah as I said last year was bad for him stat wise because he was used wrong. I don't think Moore makes that mistake. Now it comes down to target share which will be an issue because of our outside WR's. A decent slot guy will cut into that too,but we need to be able to hurt teams anywhere on the field,so IDK how he does this year either we will see

I’m not disagreeing with any of this

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Mike Vick was shorter than Hurts

Yeah I know... it was a problem... I went out there in 2013 in the Denver blowout... they had Manning, then we had Vick...and then Foles came in.   In person you can really see how Vick was at a huge disadvantage in the pocket trying to see over guys.   

Wasn’t it me that brought up the point of needing somebody other than just Goedert for the YAC creation plays? That’s just not some Hurts thing…that’s universal. A whole group of plays designed for this. But how quickly can we get Smith up and running in this feature? How long will it take to see a complete WR package or options out of him? Johnny didn’t even produce much in college. So even with Hurts putting in a bunch of volunteer extra work…still he’s far from a polished easy to go respect. I am hopeful both guys work out fantastic to fill the large needs for our O to become complete and elite. The time frame however…could be years. So hard for me to get behind statements acting like these guys will hit the ground contributing so much right away. 

Would you place your money on either rookie producing over 350 yards and 3 TDs this season? I wouldn’t.

 

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Wasn’t it me that brought up the point of needing somebody other than just Goedert for the YAC creation plays? That’s just not some Hurts thing…that’s universal. A whole group of plays designed for this. But how quickly can we get Smith up and running in this feature? How long will it take to see a complete WR package or options out of him? Johnny didn’t even produce much in college. So even with Hurts putting in a bunch of volunteer extra work…still he’s far from a polished easy to go respect. I am hopeful both guys work out fantastic to fill the large needs for our O to become complete and elite. The time frame however…could be years. So hard for me to get behind statements acting like these guys will hit the ground contributing so much right away. 

I suspect they get better,the young guys I mean. I fully expect A Smith to take the slot job from Paris at some point. We could also see Shipley supplant Gains as the #2 RB. May not happen out of the gate,but it should happen fairly quickly. It wasn't you and the "called it syndrome" We knew for years Quez was sub standard and Howie tried to patch it with used FA's many times. I'm glad he finally addressed it with a young guy(or 2 as the case may be)

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

 

Yet he didn’t put in the work. Wasn’t very coachable. Clearly the supreme athlete…but Hurts is going down as the better franchise QB. I’ll take our current blue collar hard worker QB over Vick. Vick one the most exciting players I’ve ever seen play. Pretty much single handed took his team to the NFC Championship game to face us. Hurts is much more self made.

9 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Wasn’t it me that brought up the point of needing somebody other than just Goedert for the YAC creation plays? That’s just not some Hurts thing…that’s universal. A whole group of plays designed for this. But how quickly can we get Smith up and running in this feature? How long will it take to see a complete WR package or options out of him? Johnny didn’t even produce much in college. So even with Hurts putting in a bunch of volunteer extra work…still he’s far from a polished easy to go respect. I am hopeful both guys work out fantastic to fill the large needs for our O to become complete and elite. The time frame however…could be years. So hard for me to get behind statements acting like these guys will hit the ground contributing so much right away. 

Is Smith new to football?????   Why can't he be involved in some offensive plays?   I don't get why you think it's so complicated????

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I suspect they get better,the young guys I mean. I fully expect A Smith to take the slot job from Paris at some point. We could also see Shipley supplant Gains as the #2 RB. May not happen out of the gate,but it should happen fairly quickly. It wasn't you and the "called it syndrome" We knew for years Quez was sub standard and Howie tried to patch it with used FA's many times. I'm glad he finally addressed it with a young guy(or 2 as the case may be)

YAC creation plays and Slot WR are two separate things that may intertwine some. I had to go round and round explaining how we needed somebody to backup and eventually takeover these YAC creation plays from Goedert. You were stuck on it had to be a guy labeled TE2. In fact it came in the form of a WR and Rb in this draft….hopefully anyway.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Yet he didn’t put in the work. Wasn’t very coachable. Clearly the supreme athlete…but Hurts is going down as the better franchise QB. I’ll take our current blue collar hard worker QB over Vick. Vick one the most exciting players I’ve ever seen play. Pretty much single handed took his team to the NFC Championship game to face us. Hurts is much more self made.

He had to outwork everyone if he wanted a job. He's a fabulous runner,but lacked as a passer. Why he had to transfer from Bama so he could play. He has always had to outwork others. he put the work in and he needs to progress as a passer. We gave him all the tools he needs to do that

Hasn't the game evolved to where the NFL offenses are similar to college with a lot of the play calls?    So an end around, a screen, a Texas route, a slant, a hook... you don't think A Smith can mentally handle any of this?   

Just now, joemas6 said:

Is Smith new to football?????   Why can't he be involved in some offensive plays?   I don't get why you think it's so complicated????

Quez wasn’t new to football. Tons of day three guys aren’t new to football either…higher picks than that even obviously. I just don’t  see Smith having the polish and readiness anywhere near what Smitty looked like coming in. Even a super polished young player like him still had to learn and grow.

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

He had to outwork everyone if he wanted a job. He's a fabulous runner,but lacked as a passer. Why he had to transfer from Bama so he could play. He has always had to outwork others. he put the work in and he needs to progress as a passer. We gave him all the tools he needs to do that

How many yards did he pass for to be the runner up Heisman at Ok?

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

YAC creation plays and Slot WR are two separate things that may intertwine some. I had to go round and round explaining how we needed somebody to backup and eventually takeover these YAC creation plays from Goedert. You were stuck on it had to be a guy labeled TE2. In fact it came in the form of a WR and Rb in this draft….hopefully anyway.

I was never "stuck" on anyone,please. We will miss Stoll as a blocking TE. WHO will step up for that? You make up things then say I said them. A good slot will get the 3rd and 4's. Any YAC is icing on the cake. Ainias has good hands he will do well on 3rd and 4's and if a tackle is missed he can take it to the house like JJ

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

YAC creation plays and Slot WR are two separate things that may intertwine some. I had to go round and round explaining how we needed somebody to backup and eventually takeover these YAC creation plays from Goedert. You were stuck on it had to be a guy labeled TE2. In fact it came in the form of a WR and Rb in this draft….hopefully anyway.

Nah, we were desiring a better TE 2.    Why is that difficult to understand?       Has nothing to do with " YAC creation specialist"    lol   

You need to send that into Barstool or Bleacher report, maybe you could get credit for a new position???  

Then you can throw in your nicknames too

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Quez wasn’t new to football. Tons of day three guys aren’t new to football either…higher picks than that even obviously. I just don’t  see Smith having the polish and readiness anywhere near what Smitty looked like coming in. Even a super polished young player like him still had to learn and grow.

Quez didn't have the physical ability... he was a deep ball guy.  A small guy at that