2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

This is all the stuff I’ve been saying before and after he was drafted. But as an Eagle in the OTA he started by muffing some punts. Is what it is. How do you think Quez looked in college? He wasn’t dropping everything then. TC is ready to kickoff. Well just see how things develop going forward. I’ve given my opinions from the offseason point of view. Now let’s watch things unfold. Be great if everybody delivers on their optimistic ceiling viewpoints. Historical knowledge suggests this won’t be the case.

In the OTA... lol

7 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

LMAO a WR or RB is not a BU for a TE. You want your slot guy blocking now? A little 180 pounder? You trying to get him killed?

And see here it goes again…what you stated you didn’t do previously…I can’t do this round and round circle again where you just can’t break free from the positional labels to understand it’s not about position but capability of producing on a set grouping of YAC creation plays.

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

In the OTA... lol

At what point does it matter and you will judge him?

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

positional labels

Positions have labels because they are different positions. Really not hard to understand I wouldn't think? It's about position LOL

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Yeah... he had a stud WR... didn't he have a few at Alabama too,   Just curious... in games Alabama and Oklahoma play... aren't they huge favorites in most games?   So wouldn't an Alabama and Oklahoma QB have better teammates by a pretty decent amount, than the opposing defense has on the field?

So you are telling me Hurts was this great college QB... because he had superior talent to work with?     Kinda like his 10 teammates now?  Except for it's not realistic for NFL teams to have a large level of talent above their opponent, so now Hurts will have to be more of a factor.

Are you trying to say it’s easier to produce in college against say a D like Georgia? Pretty sure that can’t be your point. But yes having talent around guys usually helps. Like Burrow having Jefferson and Chase…the guy who beat Hurts out for the Heisman. 

IDK as of yet I haven't seen a draft where there is the "YAC specialist" position

4 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Positions have labels because they are different positions. Really not hard to understand I wouldn't think? It's about position LOL

Yep like I said I can’t go round and round on a point you just aren’t going to be able to digest. Maybe my fault for not being capable enough of explaining the point better. But you aren’t helping by LOL instead of even trying to understand the point. You are missing the whole point and discussion yet laughing at me.

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

This is all the stuff I’ve been saying before and after he was drafted. But as an Eagle in the OTA he started by muffing some punts. Is what it is. How do you think Quez looked in college? He wasn’t dropping everything then. TC is ready to kickoff. Well just see how things develop going forward. I’ve given my opinions from the offseason point of view. Now let’s watch things unfold. Be great if everybody delivers on their optimistic ceiling viewpoints. Historical knowledge suggests this won’t be the case.

Does historical knowledge say a QB should get better at Hurts age and time in the league?   

Does historical knowledge say Moore is a better OC than the previous guy who we know got a job do to his relationship with Hurts and then promoted for the potential comp pick

Does historical knowledge say that when a team doesn't have a specific type of player, that when they add that, it is a positive as it can now expand it's playbook?

I know in your mind... you focus on Hurts working... he works... that's great, nobody denies that he works.    This offseason they all are saying his results are better.  WE all know that just because you put in work, doesn't mean you get the same results.   so whatever it is that clicked this offseason, IDK why you seem to take it as a negative???  

It's not possible that Hurts is smarter now, so that his work paid off more?   Not possible that he put in different type of work and got better results?  Not possible?  

Not possible Barkley is better than Sanders and Swift?   Not possible?  

And not possible that the schedule this year is more favorable without all the opponents at the end NOT having the extra rest like they did last year?  

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Yep like I said I can’t go round and round on a point you just aren’t going to be able to digest. Maybe my fault for not being capable enough of explaining the point better.

Yeah IDK what you are talking about either. Nothing round and round a TE is a BIG guy a slot guy usually is not. You can't ask a slot WR or scat RB to block like a TE2,so yeah positions matter

7 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

And see here it goes again…what you stated you didn’t do previously…I can’t do this round and round circle again where you just can’t break free from the positional labels to understand it’s not about position but capability of producing on a set grouping of YAC creation plays.

I can do this again... the YAC creation plays are minimum to the job that Goedert does... way more to being a backup to Goedert than YAC creation.  

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Are you trying to say it’s easier to produce in college against say a D like Georgia? Pretty sure that can’t be your point. But yes having talent around guys usually helps. Like Burrow having Jefferson and Chase…the guy who beat Hurts out for the Heisman. 

Are you saying alabama and Oklahoma constantly play teams like Georgia?    How many times a year do they play Georgia?  

3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Yeah IDK what you are talking about either. Nothing round and round a TE is a BIG guy a slot guy usually is not. You can't ask a slot WR or scat RB to block like a TE2,so yeah positions matter

Its that Ham is obsessed with the 6 YAC plays from Goedert while we are talking about the whole game that Goedert has to play.   

WE can concede a YAC guy can be anyone... but Ham can't concede that we were talking about the whole role of being Goedert's backup.  Then this round and round continues because it's two different conversations.

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Yeah IDK what you are talking about either. Nothing round and round a TE is a BIG guy a slot guy usually is not. You can't ask a slot WR or scat RB to block like a TE2,so yeah positions matter

Nobody said anything like this. Talking specifically running YAC creation plays. Goedert has been our only real option. Now we added Smith I believe specifically  for this role. Shipley I see capable to do these grouping of plays also. Could throw Ssquans name in the hat also. So if we chose to run a YAC creation play not utilizing Goedert…who’s is the next option? Hint: he’s not labeled TE2. More like WR, RB.

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Its that Ham is obsessed with the 6 YAC plays from Goedert while we are talking about the whole game that Goedert has to play.   

WE can concede a YAC guy can be anyone... but Ham can't concede that we were talking about the whole role of being Goedert's backup.  Then this round and round continues because it's two different conversations.

Yes

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Nobody said anything like this. Talking specifically running YAC creation plays. Goedert has been our only real option. Now we added Smith I believe specifically  for this role. Shipley I see capable to do these grouping of plays also. Could throw Ssquans name in the hat also. So if we chose to run a YAC creation play not utilizing Goedert…who’s is the next option? Hint: he’s not labeled TE2. More like WR, RB.

Who the hell is tagged as a YAC specialist????

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Nobody said anything like this. Talking specifically running YAC creation plays. Goedert has been our only real option. Now we added Smith I believe specifically  for this role. Shipley I see capable to do these grouping of plays also. Could throw Ssquans name in the hat also. So if we chose to run a YAC creation play not utilizing Goedert…who’s is the next option? Hint: he’s not labeled TE2. More like WR, RB.

Again... this is YOUR conversation ... not what we were talking about via the backup TE.   

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

YAC creation plays

You call a play. If your guy breaks a tackle that is YAC,you don't call YAC creation plays,please. You don't create those out of thin air,that is a player vs player AKA matchup issue

So the idea is Smith will backup Goedert on these plays. That’s square one we need Smith to get up and rolling with.

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Who the hell is tagged as a YAC specialist????

nobody... its one small aspect of a player's role on certain plays... otherwise there are way more things a player like Goedert needs to do.  Just concede that on a few plays someone else now will run after they catch the ball.  Then we move on.  you aren't going to get anywhere here with this.   

14 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

IDK as of yet I haven't seen a draft where there is the "YAC specialist" position

So keep continuing with that thought

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

So the idea is Smith will backup Goedert on these plays. That’s square one we need Smith to get up and rolling with.

No.. he isn't backing up Goedert on these plays... because most likely Goedert will be out on the field too.   

12 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Does historical knowledge say a QB should get better at Hurts age and time in the league?   

Does historical knowledge say Moore is a better OC than the previous guy who we know got a job do to his relationship with Hurts and then promoted for the potential comp pick

Does historical knowledge say that when a team doesn't have a specific type of player, that when they add that, it is a positive as it can now expand it's playbook?

I know in your mind... you focus on Hurts working... he works... that's great, nobody denies that he works.    This offseason they all are saying his results are better.  WE all know that just because you put in work, doesn't mean you get the same results.   so whatever it is that clicked this offseason, IDK why you seem to take it as a negative???  

It's not possible that Hurts is smarter now, so that his work paid off more?   Not possible that he put in different type of work and got better results?  Not possible?  

Not possible Barkley is better than Sanders and Swift?   Not possible?  

And not possible that the schedule this year is more favorable without all the opponents at the end NOT having the extra rest like they did last year?  

Some guys just getting out of college at 25

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

So keep continuing with that thought

LMK who the matchup creation specialists are in the next draft. That s a position I have never heard of

13 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I can do this again... the YAC creation plays are minimum to the job that Goedert does... way more to being a backup to Goedert than YAC creation.  

Absolutely correct. Why I said only specifically talking about Goedert’s role in these specific YAC creation plays …not becoming TE2.

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So the idea is Smith will backup Goedert on these plays. That’s square one we need Smith to get up and rolling with.

No