July 22, 20242 yr 6 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: Its a grouping of play calls relying on a player that can create with the ball in his hands Or deception in having more numbers than the defense, or taking advantage of a huge cushion or space the defense is giving ... or countering a pass rush that is too aggressive?
July 22, 20242 yr Author 2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: Many more plays than just that one on this grouping. I’m not trying to come off as smarter than anybody here. Just trying to figure out a way to explain my point. Which honestly has been much more difficult than I ever would have expected. Mostly because you guys getting caught up on labels. I always specifically was saying it wasn’t about all the plays becoming TE2 I was talking about. Very specifically talking about a set group of playcalls that rely on YAC creation. But somehow you guys keep getting stuck on if it’s the next option after Goedert for these plays I must be talking about TE2 and how is this WR or Rb going to inline block…and all these holdups. Frankly maybe it’s not I’m smarter than anybody situation…probably I just can’t communicate effectively enough my point some how. But I’ve tried. I do see it as a key point. The team seemed to recognize the exact same thing and targeted Smith and Shipley for the role. Well we have good players at every point now,so we just need to execute the plays called. I don't see a Rb screen and replacing Goedert it's just every play requires different moves from many players
July 22, 20242 yr 3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: Many more plays than just that one on this grouping. I’m not trying to come off as smarter than anybody here. Just trying to figure out a way to explain my point. Which honestly has been much more difficult than I ever would have expected. Mostly because you guys getting caught up on labels. I always specifically was saying it wasn’t about all the plays becoming TE2 I was talking about. Very specifically talking about a set group of playcalls that rely on YAC creation. But somehow you guys keep getting stuck on if it’s the next option after Goedert for these plays I must be talking about TE2 and how is this WR or Rb going to inline block…and all these holdups. Frankly maybe it’s not I’m smarter than anybody situation…probably I just can’t communicate effectively enough my point some how. But I’ve tried. I do see it as a key point. The team seemed to recognize the exact same thing and targeted Smith and Shipley for the role. Not labels... we were in a conversation about the backup TE... and you were having a different one with yourself. Really not difficult to understand.
July 22, 20242 yr I think last year a couple times we ran the WR running a pick or clear out cutting inside and had Goedert running the Out as one of these YAC designed plays I’m speaking of.
July 22, 20242 yr Author A Smith is not a BU to Goedert,in fact they should be on the field at the same time(or Paris) A Smith goes off in 12 personnel and we need for TE2 to step into the role and IDK who is going to do that
July 22, 20242 yr 4 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said: I think what is happening here is Ham's use of the word specialist,at least for me They are short passing plays or even though screens…where the whole point is the YAC. You need a player that can create with the ball in his hands.
July 22, 20242 yr Author 1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said: I think last year a couple times we ran the WR running a pick or clear out cutting inside and had Goedert running the Out as one of these YAC designed plays I’m speaking of. Drop the YAC
July 22, 20242 yr Goedert has been very good at these YAC plays. Ertz was the route runner. He didn’t ever get much after the catch. He did his damage before the catch. If that helps you understand what I’m talking about.
July 22, 20242 yr Author 2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: They are short passing plays or even though screens…where the whole point is the YAC. You need a player that can create with the ball in his hands. So that is a play call,the player either executes or he doesn't once again there are no YAC play calls,it's simply a play call,drop the YAC stuff
July 22, 20242 yr 4 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said: I think what is happening here is Ham's use of the word specialist,at least for me Not at all. ..what is happening was Ham put himself in our conversation and went off in a different direction ...by himself. Talking specifically about 3% of what Goedert does. While we were looking at the Eagles TE position and it's future and looking at the 2 TE formation. Totally different conversations.
July 22, 20242 yr Just now, GreenbleedinNC said: Drop the YAC That’s the whole point of the grouping of plays that need a specific player that can create with the ball in his hands. These plays pretty much don’t require some fantastic route running abilities either. Just a get the ball in that players hands and let him make something happen.
July 22, 20242 yr Author 1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said: Goedert has been very good at these YAC plays. Ertz was the route runner. He didn’t ever get much after the catch. He did his damage before the catch. If that helps you understand what I’m talking about. Right it's on the player not the play call as I have been saying
July 22, 20242 yr 3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: I think last year a couple times we ran the WR running a pick or clear out cutting inside and had Goedert running the Out as one of these YAC designed plays I’m speaking of. Yes... again a different conversation.... and it's a great " couple of plays" All good. Nothing to do with the future of the TE position
July 22, 20242 yr 1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said: So that is a play call,the player either executes or he doesn't once again there are no YAC play calls,it's simply a play call,drop the YAC stuff The play is designed to open up the YAC potential deliberately
July 22, 20242 yr Author Just now, cunninghamtheman said: That’s the whole point of the grouping of plays that need a specific player that can create with the ball in his hands. These plays pretty much don’t require some fantastic route running abilities either. Just a get the ball in that players hands and let him make something happen. You are creating SPACE with the PLAY call then as I keep saying it's on the PLAYER
July 22, 20242 yr Author Just now, cunninghamtheman said: The play is designed to open up the YAC potential deliberately The play is designed to open up SPACE
July 22, 20242 yr Just now, joemas6 said: Yes... again a different conversation.... and it's a great " couple of plays" All good. Nothing to do with the future of the TE position Nope nothing to do with TE2 or the future of the TE position. Just specifically the next options to take over for Goedert on these YAC creation plays.
July 22, 20242 yr Just now, GreenbleedinNC said: The play is designed to open up SPACE You’re either clearing out, picking or blocking for the YAC creation specialist.
July 22, 20242 yr Author 3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: Nope nothing to do with TE2 or the future of the TE position. Just specifically the next options to take over for Goedert on these YAC creation plays. No one "takes over" for Goedert LOL,it's a different PLAY
July 22, 20242 yr Author Just now, cunninghamtheman said: You’re either clearing out, picking or blocking for the YAC creation specialist. Drop the YAC stuff there are zero YAC "specialists" There are guys that can break tackles or make players miss that is on the player not the play call
July 22, 20242 yr 1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said: Drop the YAC stuff there are zero YAC "specialists" There are guys that can break tackles or make players miss that is on the player not the play call It’s on both. It’s a group of plays designed specifically for a YAC creation speciality player.
July 22, 20242 yr Author 1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said: Drop the YAC stuff there are zero YAC "specialists" There are guys that can break tackles or make players miss that is on the player not the play call You do that by creating SPACE,or you know of a mismatch you don't "create" YAC out of thin air.
July 22, 20242 yr Author 1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said: It’s on both. It’s a group of plays designed specifically for a YAC creation speciality player. Then I want 8 YAC specialists on my team besides the outside WR's. No labels, get me those 8 guys
July 22, 20242 yr Are you trying to throw a pass for two yards or behind the line of scrimmage just for the air yardage alone? No. It’s all about looking for the YAC.
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