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Ongoing Eagles New Discussion volume 2

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6 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Its a grouping of play calls relying on a player that can create with the ball in his hands

Or deception in having more numbers than the defense, or taking advantage of a huge cushion or space the defense is giving ... or countering a pass rush that is too aggressive?   

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2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Many more plays than just that one on this grouping. I’m not trying to come off as smarter than anybody here. Just trying to figure out a way to explain my point. Which honestly has been much more difficult than I ever would have expected. Mostly because you guys getting caught up on labels. I always specifically was saying it wasn’t about all the plays becoming TE2 I was talking about. Very specifically talking about a set group of playcalls that rely on YAC creation. But somehow you guys keep getting stuck on if it’s the next option after Goedert for these plays I must be talking about TE2 and how is this WR or Rb going to inline block…and all these holdups. Frankly maybe it’s not I’m smarter than anybody situation…probably I just can’t communicate effectively enough my point some how. But I’ve tried. I do see it as a key point. The team seemed to recognize the exact same thing and targeted Smith and Shipley for the role.

Well we have good players at every point now,so we just need to execute the plays called. I don't see a Rb screen and replacing Goedert it's just every play requires different moves from many players

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Many more plays than just that one on this grouping. I’m not trying to come off as smarter than anybody here. Just trying to figure out a way to explain my point. Which honestly has been much more difficult than I ever would have expected. Mostly because you guys getting caught up on labels. I always specifically was saying it wasn’t about all the plays becoming TE2 I was talking about. Very specifically talking about a set group of playcalls that rely on YAC creation. But somehow you guys keep getting stuck on if it’s the next option after Goedert for these plays I must be talking about TE2 and how is this WR or Rb going to inline block…and all these holdups. Frankly maybe it’s not I’m smarter than anybody situation…probably I just can’t communicate effectively enough my point some how. But I’ve tried. I do see it as a key point. The team seemed to recognize the exact same thing and targeted Smith and Shipley for the role.

Not labels... we were in a conversation about the backup TE... and you were having a different one with yourself.  Really not difficult to understand.  

I think last year a couple times we ran the WR running a pick or clear out cutting inside and had Goedert running the Out as one of these YAC designed plays I’m speaking of.

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A Smith is not a  BU to Goedert,in fact they should be on the field at the same time(or Paris) A Smith goes off in 12 personnel and we need for TE2 to step into the role and IDK who is going to do that

4 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I think what is happening here is Ham's use of the word specialist,at least for me

They are short passing plays or even though screens…where the whole point is the YAC. You need a player that can create with the ball in his hands. 
 

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1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I think last year a couple times we ran the WR running a pick or clear out cutting inside and had Goedert running the Out as one of these YAC designed plays I’m speaking of.

Drop the YAC

Goedert has been very good at these YAC plays. Ertz was the route runner. He didn’t ever get much after the catch. He did his damage before the catch. If that helps you understand what I’m talking about.

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2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

They are short passing plays or even though screens…where the whole point is the YAC. You need a player that can create with the ball in his hands. 
 

So that is a play call,the player either executes or he doesn't once again there are no YAC play calls,it's simply a play call,drop the YAC stuff

4 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I think what is happening here is Ham's use of the word specialist,at least for me

Not at all. ..what is happening was Ham put himself in our conversation and went off in a different direction ...by himself.  Talking specifically about 3% of what Goedert does.  While we were looking at the Eagles TE position and it's future and looking at the 2 TE formation.  Totally different conversations.  

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

Drop the YAC

That’s the whole point of the grouping of plays that need a specific player that can create with the ball in his hands. These plays pretty much don’t require some fantastic route running abilities either. Just a get the ball in that players hands and let him make something happen.

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1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Goedert has been very good at these YAC plays. Ertz was the route runner. He didn’t ever get much after the catch. He did his damage before the catch. If that helps you understand what I’m talking about.

Right it's on the player not the play call as I have been saying

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I think last year a couple times we ran the WR running a pick or clear out cutting inside and had Goedert running the Out as one of these YAC designed plays I’m speaking of.

Yes... again a different conversation.... and it's a great " couple of plays"   All good.   Nothing to do with the future of the TE position

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

So that is a play call,the player either executes or he doesn't once again there are no YAC play calls,it's simply a play call,drop the YAC stuff

The play is designed to open up the YAC potential deliberately 

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Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

That’s the whole point of the grouping of plays that need a specific player that can create with the ball in his hands. These plays pretty much don’t require some fantastic route running abilities either. Just a get the ball in that players hands and let him make something happen.

You are creating SPACE with the PLAY call then as I keep saying it's on the PLAYER

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Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

The play is designed to open up the YAC potential deliberately 

The play is designed to open up SPACE

Just now, joemas6 said:

Yes... again a different conversation.... and it's a great " couple of plays"   All good.   Nothing to do with the future of the TE position

Nope nothing to do with TE2 or the future of the TE position. Just specifically the next options to take over for Goedert on these YAC creation plays.

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

The play is designed to open up SPACE

You’re either clearing out, picking or blocking for the YAC creation specialist.

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3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Nope nothing to do with TE2 or the future of the TE position. Just specifically the next options to take over for Goedert on these YAC creation plays.

No one "takes over" for Goedert LOL,it's a different PLAY

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Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

You’re either clearing out, picking or blocking for the YAC creation specialist.

Drop the YAC stuff there are zero YAC "specialists" There are guys that can break tackles or make players miss that is on the player not the play call

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Drop the YAC stuff there are zero YAC "specialists" There are guys that can break tackles or make players miss that is on the player not the play call

It’s on both. It’s a group of plays designed specifically  for a YAC creation speciality player. 

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1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Drop the YAC stuff there are zero YAC "specialists" There are guys that can break tackles or make players miss that is on the player not the play call

You do that by creating SPACE,or you know of a mismatch you don't "create" YAC out of thin air. 

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1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

It’s on both. It’s a group of plays designed specifically  for a YAC creation speciality player. 

Then I want 8 YAC specialists on my team besides the outside WR's. No labels, get me those 8 guys

Are you trying to throw a pass for two yards or behind the line of scrimmage just for the air yardage alone? No. It’s all about looking for the YAC.

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