3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Wasn’t it me that brought up the point of needing somebody other than just Goedert for the YAC creation plays? That’s just not some Hurts thing…that’s universal. A whole group of plays designed for this. But how quickly can we get Smith up and running in this feature? How long will it take to see a complete WR package or options out of him? Johnny didn’t even produce much in college. So even with Hurts putting in a bunch of volunteer extra work…still he’s far from a polished easy to go respect. I am hopeful both guys work out fantastic to fill the large needs for our O to become complete and elite. The time frame however…could be years. So hard for me to get behind statements acting like these guys will hit the ground contributing so much right away. 

I suspect they get better,the young guys I mean. I fully expect A Smith to take the slot job from Paris at some point. We could also see Shipley supplant Gains as the #2 RB. May not happen out of the gate,but it should happen fairly quickly. It wasn't you and the "called it syndrome" We knew for years Quez was sub standard and Howie tried to patch it with used FA's many times. I'm glad he finally addressed it with a young guy(or 2 as the case may be)

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

 

Yet he didn’t put in the work. Wasn’t very coachable. Clearly the supreme athlete…but Hurts is going down as the better franchise QB. I’ll take our current blue collar hard worker QB over Vick. Vick one the most exciting players I’ve ever seen play. Pretty much single handed took his team to the NFC Championship game to face us. Hurts is much more self made.

9 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Wasn’t it me that brought up the point of needing somebody other than just Goedert for the YAC creation plays? That’s just not some Hurts thing…that’s universal. A whole group of plays designed for this. But how quickly can we get Smith up and running in this feature? How long will it take to see a complete WR package or options out of him? Johnny didn’t even produce much in college. So even with Hurts putting in a bunch of volunteer extra work…still he’s far from a polished easy to go respect. I am hopeful both guys work out fantastic to fill the large needs for our O to become complete and elite. The time frame however…could be years. So hard for me to get behind statements acting like these guys will hit the ground contributing so much right away. 

Is Smith new to football?????   Why can't he be involved in some offensive plays?   I don't get why you think it's so complicated????

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I suspect they get better,the young guys I mean. I fully expect A Smith to take the slot job from Paris at some point. We could also see Shipley supplant Gains as the #2 RB. May not happen out of the gate,but it should happen fairly quickly. It wasn't you and the "called it syndrome" We knew for years Quez was sub standard and Howie tried to patch it with used FA's many times. I'm glad he finally addressed it with a young guy(or 2 as the case may be)

YAC creation plays and Slot WR are two separate things that may intertwine some. I had to go round and round explaining how we needed somebody to backup and eventually takeover these YAC creation plays from Goedert. You were stuck on it had to be a guy labeled TE2. In fact it came in the form of a WR and Rb in this draft….hopefully anyway.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Yet he didn’t put in the work. Wasn’t very coachable. Clearly the supreme athlete…but Hurts is going down as the better franchise QB. I’ll take our current blue collar hard worker QB over Vick. Vick one the most exciting players I’ve ever seen play. Pretty much single handed took his team to the NFC Championship game to face us. Hurts is much more self made.

He had to outwork everyone if he wanted a job. He's a fabulous runner,but lacked as a passer. Why he had to transfer from Bama so he could play. He has always had to outwork others. he put the work in and he needs to progress as a passer. We gave him all the tools he needs to do that

Hasn't the game evolved to where the NFL offenses are similar to college with a lot of the play calls?    So an end around, a screen, a Texas route, a slant, a hook... you don't think A Smith can mentally handle any of this?   

Just now, joemas6 said:

Is Smith new to football?????   Why can't he be involved in some offensive plays?   I don't get why you think it's so complicated????

Quez wasn’t new to football. Tons of day three guys aren’t new to football either…higher picks than that even obviously. I just don’t  see Smith having the polish and readiness anywhere near what Smitty looked like coming in. Even a super polished young player like him still had to learn and grow.

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

He had to outwork everyone if he wanted a job. He's a fabulous runner,but lacked as a passer. Why he had to transfer from Bama so he could play. He has always had to outwork others. he put the work in and he needs to progress as a passer. We gave him all the tools he needs to do that

How many yards did he pass for to be the runner up Heisman at Ok?

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

YAC creation plays and Slot WR are two separate things that may intertwine some. I had to go round and round explaining how we needed somebody to backup and eventually takeover these YAC creation plays from Goedert. You were stuck on it had to be a guy labeled TE2. In fact it came in the form of a WR and Rb in this draft….hopefully anyway.

I was never "stuck" on anyone,please. We will miss Stoll as a blocking TE. WHO will step up for that? You make up things then say I said them. A good slot will get the 3rd and 4's. Any YAC is icing on the cake. Ainias has good hands he will do well on 3rd and 4's and if a tackle is missed he can take it to the house like JJ

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

YAC creation plays and Slot WR are two separate things that may intertwine some. I had to go round and round explaining how we needed somebody to backup and eventually takeover these YAC creation plays from Goedert. You were stuck on it had to be a guy labeled TE2. In fact it came in the form of a WR and Rb in this draft….hopefully anyway.

Nah, we were desiring a better TE 2.    Why is that difficult to understand?       Has nothing to do with " YAC creation specialist"    lol   

You need to send that into Barstool or Bleacher report, maybe you could get credit for a new position???  

Then you can throw in your nicknames too

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Quez wasn’t new to football. Tons of day three guys aren’t new to football either…higher picks than that even obviously. I just don’t  see Smith having the polish and readiness anywhere near what Smitty looked like coming in. Even a super polished young player like him still had to learn and grow.

Quez didn't have the physical ability... he was a deep ball guy.  A small guy at that

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Quez wasn’t new to football. Tons of day three guys aren’t new to football either…higher picks than that even obviously. I just don’t  see Smith having the polish and readiness anywhere near what Smitty looked like coming in. Even a super polished young player like him still had to learn and grow.

College guys are more NFL ready every year. College coaches understand what NFL teams want. Much more ready than even 5 years ago

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Hasn't the game evolved to where the NFL offenses are similar to college with a lot of the play calls?    So an end around, a screen, a Texas route, a slant, a hook... you don't think A Smith can mentally handle any of this?   

I don’t think catching punts has evolved from most all levels for who knows how many years. He still muffed his first couple as an Eagles.

 But no I don’t think most college players run routes with the precision of the pros. The top few guys do. They go early in the draft. Plus I think Smith needs to develop his body for the pro level. I can’t envision him contributing in 15 games for us as a rookie.

 I don’t want to even come off as too harsh on this kid. I like him. I just have much more realistic measured expectations for him. Let’s see if he can get through the PS intact first.

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

How many yards did he pass for to be the runner up Heisman at Ok?

ESPN 2 has professional Horseshoes League on right now.... I've had it on for about 15 minutes in the background as I'm on here... that's more time than I watched college football in the past however many years.  I don't really care about Hurts playing at OK... on top of it being college, isn't that the division or whatever you call it, that doesn't play much defense?   Didn't he have some YAC creation specialists on his team there?

So now we got them

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Quez didn't have the physical ability... he was a deep ball guy.  A small guy at that

Yep I said before he ran out routes. IDK if they called middle of the field passes for him or if Hurts didn't see him and they just changed him to outside deep routes. Maybe both,but that should be fixed now. Paris, Smith,Johnny,one or 2 should make a difference. maybe Johnny will be used in the RZ due to his size

5 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I was never "stuck" on anyone,please. We will miss Stoll as a blocking TE. WHO will step up for that? You make up things then say I said them. A good slot will get the 3rd and 4's. Any YAC is icing on the cake. Ainias has good hands he will do well on 3rd and 4's and if a tackle is missed he can take it to the house like JJ

You just weren’t getting that the backup for Goedert on these plays could come from a WR or a RB. Just like avengers you mention Stoll. A backup TE2 and a backup option for Goedert on these YAC creation plays are two different things.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I don’t think catching punts has evolved from most all levels for who knows how many years. He still muffed his first couple as an Eagles.

 But no I don’t think most college players run routes with the precision of the pros. The top few guys do. They go early in the draft. Plus I think Smith needs to develop his body for the pro level. I can’t envision him contributing in 15 games for us as a rookie.

 I don’t want to even come off as too harsh on this kid. I like him. I just have much more realistic measured expectations for him. Let’s see if he can get through the PS intact first.

Who muffed punts as an Eagle?   2024 season hasn't started yet.   I don't get your negative mindset?    Smith ahs a skillset that was missing here, and fits perfectly in that supporting role after the studs we have in the first 4 spots.   It's a complimentary piece, a need that was addressed.

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But no I don’t think most college players run routes with the precision of the pros

Slot guys go later,they just DO because they are WR3.Don't need all that much polish just need to give the Qb a window in the short game and have good hands. They don't have to be burners either,they just need a twitch

5 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

ESPN 2 has professional Horseshoes League on right now.... I've had it on for about 15 minutes in the background as I'm on here... that's more time than I watched college football in the past however many years.  I don't really care about Hurts playing at OK... on top of it being college, isn't that the division or whatever you call it, that doesn't play much defense?   Didn't he have some YAC creation specialists on his team there?

So now we got them

Hurts had this guy you might be familiar with…Ceedee Lamb? Heard of him?

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You just weren’t getting that the backup for Goedert on these plays could come from a WR or a RB. Just like avengers you mention Stoll. A backup TE2 and a backup option for Goedert on these YAC creation plays are two different things.

LMAO a WR or RB is not a BU for a TE. You want your slot guy blocking now? A little 180 pounder? You trying to get him killed?

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You just weren’t getting that the backup for Goedert on these plays could come from a WR or a RB. Just like avengers you mention Stoll. A backup TE2 and a backup option for Goedert on these YAC creation plays are two different things.

WOW....  you just weren't getting it was a different conversation.   you and only you were focused on YAC creation plays when it comes to Goedert.   Because out of all his snaps, how many were YAC creation plays?     Now how many were the other type plays to where GB and the rest of us were talking about as a backup TE? 

You do this constantly, you go off on a tangent by yourself and then argue over a different subject than the conversation.  

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Slot guys go later,they just DO because they are WR3.Don't need all that much polish just need to give the Qb a window in the short game and have good hands. They don't have to be burners either,they just need a twitch

a twitch and the ball in their hands on plays where they get it quicker with less effort needed or a lower degree of difficulty.    The WRs that go early are the ones that can make the plays where the QB needs to make those tougher throws.

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

a twitch and the ball in their hands on plays where they get it quicker with less effort needed or a lower degree of difficulty.    The WRs that go early are the ones that can make the plays where the QB needs to make those tougher throws.

Sure,when I look at slot guys as long as their 40 time is reasonable,I look at cone and shuttle drills.those are the guys with twitch.Quick changes of direction

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Who muffed punts as an Eagle?   2024 season hasn't started yet.   I don't get your negative mindset?    Smith ahs a skillset that was missing here, and fits perfectly in that supporting role after the studs we have in the first 4 spots.   It's a complimentary piece, a need that was addressed.

This is all the stuff I’ve been saying before and after he was drafted. But as an Eagle in the OTA he started by muffing some punts. Is what it is. How do you think Quez looked in college? He wasn’t dropping everything then. TC is ready to kickoff. Well just see how things develop going forward. I’ve given my opinions from the offseason point of view. Now let’s watch things unfold. Be great if everybody delivers on their optimistic ceiling viewpoints. Historical knowledge suggests this won’t be the case.

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Hurts had this guy you might be familiar with…Ceedee Lamb? Heard of him?

Yeah... he had a stud WR... didn't he have a few at Alabama too,   Just curious... in games Alabama and Oklahoma play... aren't they huge favorites in most games?   So wouldn't an Alabama and Oklahoma QB have better teammates by a pretty decent amount, than the opposing defense has on the field?

So you are telling me Hurts was this great college QB... because he had superior talent to work with?     Kinda like his 10 teammates now?  Except for it's not realistic for NFL teams to have a large level of talent above their opponent, so now Hurts will have to be more of a factor.