July 22, 20241 yr Author Just now, cunninghamtheman said: Absolutely correct. Why I said only specifically talking about Goedert’s rookie in these specific YAC creation plays …not becoming TE2. Show me any playbook that has YAC specialist plays in them
July 22, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said: LMK who the matchup creation specialists are in the next draft. That s a position I have never heard of Exactly. We have a TE Goedert, a WR Smith and a RB Shipley I’d sayin that order will run them for us
July 22, 20241 yr Author 2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: Absolutely correct. Why I said only specifically talking about Goedert’s rookie in these specific YAC creation plays …not becoming TE2. Who is "Goederts rookie?"
July 22, 20241 yr I’m including reverses and screens in this grouping…even if they technically are runs
July 22, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said: Who is "Goederts rookie?" Autocorrect got me I corrected it already….if you now reread
July 22, 20241 yr Author 1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said: Exactly. We have a TE Goedert, a WR Smith and a RB Shipley I’d sayin that order will run them for us What is a YAC creation play? Don't you want that on all pass plays?
July 22, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said: Show me any playbook that has YAC specialist plays in them Whole group of plays specifically designed for this
July 22, 20241 yr 5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: Absolutely correct. Why I said only specifically talking about Goedert’s role in these specific YAC creation plays …not becoming TE2. And why I said that it was your conversation with yourself... we were talking about TE2
July 22, 20241 yr Author 1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said: Whole group of plays specifically designed for this They are play calls,YAC is on the player not the play call. unreal
July 22, 20241 yr 5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: Exactly. We have a TE Goedert, a WR Smith and a RB Shipley I’d sayin that order will run them for us I think AJ might be #1 on those ... but I count those short slants and crosses in there too. Any play where it's designed to get a one on one matchup on a short play where there is a lot of space to work with. Even just a quick screen too.
July 22, 20241 yr Author 1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said: Whole group of plays specifically designed for this I want every damn player I can find on my team who is a YAC specialist. They are play calls,there are zero plays called YAC plays- NONE. YAC is on the player not the play call
July 22, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: Whole group of plays specifically designed for this Screens
July 22, 20241 yr 6 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: Absolutely correct. Why I said only specifically talking about Goedert’s role in these specific YAC creation plays …not becoming TE2. I know it’s a bit more out of the box thinking. That just because Goedert runs certain plays must mean the next man up would be TE2. But that’s just not the case in these specific play types for what’s needed. Frankly it’s unusual for a TE to be that guy in the first place. But Goedert’s been good at this role. It’s been even more highlighted by the fact we haven’t had anybody else that could fulfill the role. Once again…not TE role…YAC creation role.
July 22, 20241 yr 4 minutes ago, joemas6 said: And why I said that it was your conversation with yourself... we were talking about TE2 We were talking about Smith
July 22, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, joemas6 said: Screens They’d be included in this group of plays for sure. Even though most of them are technically runs. All about hopefully clearing a path for what the player can do after the catch with just getting the ball in his hands.
July 22, 20241 yr Author 1 minute ago, joemas6 said: Screens You can design plays that allow more space, or blocking stunts, but that's on the players to execute there are no YAC play calls and no "specialists" If you have a twitchy guy you can call plays that play to that strength,but that's on the players not the call
July 22, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said: I want every damn player I can find on my team who is a YAC specialist. They are play calls,there are zero plays called YAC plays- NONE. YAC is on the player not the play call If a QB sees a CB playing 12 yards off .... the Desai cushion .... and he audibles to a quick pass at the line and the WR runs for yardage.... would that be a YAC creation play? Or just.... " hey look at that idiot playing 12 yards off, here go get some yards since you won't be touched any time soon"? But statistically speaking... that guy will get some gift YAC to pad his stats. So will the QB. Gift completion and gift yards. Maybe we need GAC ... gift after catch?
July 22, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: We were talking about Smith Earlier this offseason I was mentioning a backup in this role for Goedert if that’s what you referring to
July 22, 20241 yr Author 3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: We were talking about Smith Smith is not a BU nor a blocker for Goedert(or Hurts) he is a slot WR
July 22, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, joemas6 said: If a QB sees a CB playing 12 yards off .... the Desai cushion .... and he audibles to a quick pass at the line and the WR runs for yardage.... would that be a YAC creation play? Or just.... " hey look at that idiot playing 12 yards off, here go get some yards since you won't be touched any time soon"? But statistically speaking... that guy will get some gift YAC to pad his stats. So will the QB. Gift completion and gift yards. Maybe we need GAC ... gift after catch? I was thinking more designed YAC plays where you have picks, blockers or clear outs to open up the run after catch potential.
July 22, 20241 yr Author 2 minutes ago, joemas6 said: If a QB sees a CB playing 12 yards off .... the Desai cushion .... and he audibles to a quick pass at the line and the WR runs for yardage.... would that be a YAC creation play? Or just.... " hey look at that idiot playing 12 yards off, here go get some yards since you won't be touched any time soon"? But statistically speaking... that guy will get some gift YAC to pad his stats. So will the QB. Gift completion and gift yards. Maybe we need GAC ... gift after catch? Yeah,technically it would be YAC but that doesn't require a "specialist" That's just free yardage
July 22, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said: Smith is not a BU nor a blocker for Goedert(or Hurts) he is a slot WR DeVonta was the guy we turned to without Goedert on these plays last season
July 22, 20241 yr Just now, cunninghamtheman said: DeVonta was the guy we turned to without Goedert on these plays last season He’s capable but not what we really want from him. He’s so great at route running and doing other more crucial tasks.
July 22, 20241 yr Author 1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said: designed Right you can design plays to accentuate things but it's on the player,there are no YAC plays called
July 22, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said: Smith is not a BU nor a blocker for Goedert(or Hurts) he is a slot WR Alright so No Mas identifies with these plays with the screen pass. So let’s say we have two WR at the line of scrimmage and one guy behind them to catch and run with the screen pass. Could that guy catching that be TE Goedert, WR Smith or RB Shipley? Does it matter what positional label is tagged to the YAC creation specialist?
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