2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Are you trying to throw a pass for two yards or behind the line of scrimmage just for the air yardage alone? No. It’s all about looking for the YAC.

That's on the players not a YAC play call,it's simply a play call. Drop the YAC stuff(again) it's an executed PLAY I'm not going on with this any longer

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Then I want 8 YAC specialists on my team besides the outside WR's

You want everybody to run all the way to the endzone after they catch the ball of course. But some do this by running a straight Go route outrunning everybody and catching it. Some run double moves towards the Post…and so on. But these YAC creation plays don’t rely on superior route running. They rely on a player that can make things happen with the ball in his hands on a short passing play. These plays pretty much neutralize any blitz or need for traditional blocking to create a QB pocket. Quick plays.

These plays are at playcalls. You aren’t really going through reads. Throwing for short two yards or behind the line of scrimmage. You aren’t just looking for a two yard completion…or minus two on a screen…your looking for creating that YAC.

This is Smith’s first job in my view. Which I’m not really labeling as Slot WR role. Whether he lines up there for them or not.

There is a whole set of rules for how to best set these plays up and how to follow the blocking optimally. To make sure a pick works but isn’t flagged. To take advantage of a hole from your blockers the best. Some guys just struggle with catch the dang ball first …before you try to make your moves 😉

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

There is a whole set of rules for how to best set these plays up and how to follow the blocking optimally. To make sure a pick works but isn’t flagged. To take advantage of a hole from your blockers the best. Some guys just struggle with catch the dang ball first …before you try to make your moves 😉

You're still talking about this?  

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

You're still talking about this?  

If it seems simple enough that Smith can manage it week one and add in a few simple routes running the slot and can show NFL durability….do we need to even roster Campbell?

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

If it seems simple enough that Smith can manage it week one and add in a few simple routes running the slot and can show NFL durability….do we need to even roster Campbell?

This is basically the point you believe when you say we added the upgraded slot weapon for this season, right?

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

If it seems simple enough that Smith can manage it week one and add in a few simple routes running the slot and can show NFL durability….do we need to even roster Campbell?

I don't work for the Eagles... I have a few vacations that I'm looking forward to, then the Friday night party for game 1.  Paris Campbell isn't really a concern of mine.  Those guys who get paid for those decisions can worry about him.  I absolutely do not have him as any lock to make the final roster. 

6 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

If it seems simple enough that Smith can manage it week one and add in a few simple routes running the slot and can show NFL durability….do we need to even roster Campbell?

Im Skeptical of his production and readiness his rookie season. Think we’ll use Parris. I’m looking for a need to add a WR.

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

This is basically the point you believe when you say we added the upgraded slot weapon for this season, right?

I believe the type of player Smith is.... shows that the Eagles understood that they needed a player that has the quickness and the the ability to make people miss in their offense.  That's a plus for me... I think we have needed that since Agholor.  Campbell is another number... IDK that they keep him or even Covey or go elsewhere... point is, I like that they have the numbers now... on top of Barkley and Shipley... more flexibility in the offense.  

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I don't work for the Eagles... I have a few vacations that I'm looking forward to, then the Friday night party for game 1.  Paris Campbell isn't really a concern of mine.  Those guys who get paid for those decisions can worry about him.  I absolutely do not have him as any lock to make the final roster. 

You brought up your belief in we acquired upgrades in the Slot and your expectations of an elite O. This whole part to me is a big part to that equation.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You brought up your belief in we acquired upgrades in the Slot and your expectations of an elite O. This whole part to me is a big part to that equation.

You know AJ and Hurts are the biggest parts obviously. But this is concerning the big question mark area.

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Im Skeptical of his production and readiness his rookie season. Think we’ll use Parris. I’m looking for a need to add a WR.

I think the plays will be different for all of them.   I'm not worried like you are... I see it all as upgrade from last year.  When you draft a guy.... that shows you are looking at the position or what he brings to it, as something you want long term.  That's the plus.  But again... I expect more running this year, and it's the 5th option behind 4 studs in the passing game.   I don't think it's as big of a role that you are looking at.  They will share that role... 2 TEs, some 2 RB sets... a few different WR 3s...etc. 

It's not the amount of touches I'm looking for... more so the production on those touches.    

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You brought up your belief in we acquired upgrades in the Slot and your expectations of an elite O. This whole part to me is a big part to that equation.

Yes... upgrade from Quez...who was limited in what he did.... running deep on clearout routes... Campbell can do that if needed... then Smith can give some production once he has the ball.  Then he can be a decoy as well.   Orbit motion...end around etc.   New elements to the offense.   The stale one you complained about.  A couple new elements added to what is already here, can be huge.  

6 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You know AJ and Hurts are the biggest parts obviously. But this is concerning the big question mark area.

AJ, Smith, Goedert, Barkley...... it's not really concerning... its the 5th option.   One last year that was limited as we rarely used motion so that option 5 was a good decoy... and a few YAC creation plays is a few more than last year.    A stale offense... a few different things can make a huge difference.   It's not a staring role that's needed... not even a key supporting role... just anything that's a new element that can end up being just one more thing the defense has to worry about.  

I think the biggest addition to the offense... might sound crazy... is Shipley.  Imagine 5 carries from a RB 3 last year.   Instead of incomplete passes or bubble screens etc.  If we could have a fresh RB carry 5 times... keep the other RBs fresh, keep the chains moving.... keep the D off the field.   Could have huge effect at the end of games.  Could easily keep the QB from getting hit.  

7 hours ago, joemas6 said:

I think the biggest addition to the offense... might sound crazy... is Shipley.  Imagine 5 carries from a RB 3 last year.   Instead of incomplete passes or bubble screens etc.  If we could have a fresh RB carry 5 times... keep the other RBs fresh, keep the chains moving.... keep the D off the field.   Could have huge effect at the end of games.  Could easily keep the QB from getting hit.  

Shipley might be RB2 and have Milton bulldoze and punish as RB3. This really intrigues me. Having those couple extra carries go to a punishing back.

Slowik, the interest in him as a head coaching candidate seems to be significant. According to ESPN's Dan Graziano, the Seattle Seahawks have requested an interview with Slowik, making them the fifth team—along with the Atlanta Falcons, Carolina Panthers, Tennessee Titans and Washington Commanders—to make such a request during the current hiring cycle. This guy is already so coveted across the league. Is there any way we can lure such a top candidate here?

53 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Shipley might be RB2 and have Milton bulldoze and punish as RB3. This really intrigues me. Having those couple extra carries go to a punishing back.

The extra carries going to anyone ...is a huge plus.  Last year was awful in that regard.  Another weakness addressed for 2024.

7 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Slowik, the interest in him as a head coaching candidate seems to be significant. According to ESPN's Dan Graziano, the Seattle Seahawks have requested an interview with Slowik, making them the fifth team—along with the Atlanta Falcons, Carolina Panthers, Tennessee Titans and Washington Commanders—to make such a request during the current hiring cycle. This guy is already so coveted across the league. Is there any way we can lure such a top candidate here?

For what?

5 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

The extra carries going to anyone ...is a huge plus.  Last year was awful in that regard.  Another weakness addressed for 2024.

We lost that physical intimidating mentality of our Oline attacking and punishing opponents on the ground game. A RB pumping his shoulder pads into the defender would be icing on the cake to finish runs. Having our opponent wear down of the course of a game is read of ourselves.

6 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

For what?

Our long term top O minded HC

5 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

The extra carries going to anyone ...is a huge plus.  Last year was awful in that regard.  Another weakness addressed for 2024.

So in reference to why I am looking forward to 2024 offense.

Quez had 15 catches for 142 yards and 1 TD....    week 18 vs the Giants he had 8-93-1.   The rest of the season 7 catches for 49 yards.     I assume A Smith or Campbell are an upgrade there.

Penny and Scott had 31 carries for 119 yards.... 9 carries in the last game.    22 carries in 16 games from RB 3.    I assume Shipley cam contribute more than that...and get at least 4 yards per carry.

That's not even looking at Barkley or a new play caller.  Or that everyone is saying Hurts is looking better than ever.

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

So in reference to why I am looking forward to 2024 offense.

Quez had 15 catches for 142 yards and 1 TD....    week 18 vs the Giants he had 8-93-1.   The rest of the season 7 catches for 49 yards.     I assume A Smith or Campbell are an upgrade there.

Penny and Scott had 31 carries for 119 yards.... 9 carries in the last game.    22 carries in 16 games from RB 3.    I assume Shipley cam contribute more than that...and get at least 4 yards per carry.

That's not even looking at Barkley or a new play caller.  Or that everyone is saying Hurts is looking better than ever.

OZ and Julio were upgrades over Quez you are forgetting