1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Quez wasn’t new to football. Tons of day three guys aren’t new to football either…higher picks than that even obviously. I just don’t  see Smith having the polish and readiness anywhere near what Smitty looked like coming in. Even a super polished young player like him still had to learn and grow.

College guys are more NFL ready every year. College coaches understand what NFL teams want. Much more ready than even 5 years ago

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Hasn't the game evolved to where the NFL offenses are similar to college with a lot of the play calls?    So an end around, a screen, a Texas route, a slant, a hook... you don't think A Smith can mentally handle any of this?   

I don’t think catching punts has evolved from most all levels for who knows how many years. He still muffed his first couple as an Eagles.

 But no I don’t think most college players run routes with the precision of the pros. The top few guys do. They go early in the draft. Plus I think Smith needs to develop his body for the pro level. I can’t envision him contributing in 15 games for us as a rookie.

 I don’t want to even come off as too harsh on this kid. I like him. I just have much more realistic measured expectations for him. Let’s see if he can get through the PS intact first.

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

How many yards did he pass for to be the runner up Heisman at Ok?

ESPN 2 has professional Horseshoes League on right now.... I've had it on for about 15 minutes in the background as I'm on here... that's more time than I watched college football in the past however many years.  I don't really care about Hurts playing at OK... on top of it being college, isn't that the division or whatever you call it, that doesn't play much defense?   Didn't he have some YAC creation specialists on his team there?

So now we got them

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Quez didn't have the physical ability... he was a deep ball guy.  A small guy at that

Yep I said before he ran out routes. IDK if they called middle of the field passes for him or if Hurts didn't see him and they just changed him to outside deep routes. Maybe both,but that should be fixed now. Paris, Smith,Johnny,one or 2 should make a difference. maybe Johnny will be used in the RZ due to his size

5 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I was never "stuck" on anyone,please. We will miss Stoll as a blocking TE. WHO will step up for that? You make up things then say I said them. A good slot will get the 3rd and 4's. Any YAC is icing on the cake. Ainias has good hands he will do well on 3rd and 4's and if a tackle is missed he can take it to the house like JJ

You just weren’t getting that the backup for Goedert on these plays could come from a WR or a RB. Just like avengers you mention Stoll. A backup TE2 and a backup option for Goedert on these YAC creation plays are two different things.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I don’t think catching punts has evolved from most all levels for who knows how many years. He still muffed his first couple as an Eagles.

 But no I don’t think most college players run routes with the precision of the pros. The top few guys do. They go early in the draft. Plus I think Smith needs to develop his body for the pro level. I can’t envision him contributing in 15 games for us as a rookie.

 I don’t want to even come off as too harsh on this kid. I like him. I just have much more realistic measured expectations for him. Let’s see if he can get through the PS intact first.

Who muffed punts as an Eagle?   2024 season hasn't started yet.   I don't get your negative mindset?    Smith ahs a skillset that was missing here, and fits perfectly in that supporting role after the studs we have in the first 4 spots.   It's a complimentary piece, a need that was addressed.

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But no I don’t think most college players run routes with the precision of the pros

Slot guys go later,they just DO because they are WR3.Don't need all that much polish just need to give the Qb a window in the short game and have good hands. They don't have to be burners either,they just need a twitch

5 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

ESPN 2 has professional Horseshoes League on right now.... I've had it on for about 15 minutes in the background as I'm on here... that's more time than I watched college football in the past however many years.  I don't really care about Hurts playing at OK... on top of it being college, isn't that the division or whatever you call it, that doesn't play much defense?   Didn't he have some YAC creation specialists on his team there?

So now we got them

Hurts had this guy you might be familiar with…Ceedee Lamb? Heard of him?

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You just weren’t getting that the backup for Goedert on these plays could come from a WR or a RB. Just like avengers you mention Stoll. A backup TE2 and a backup option for Goedert on these YAC creation plays are two different things.

LMAO a WR or RB is not a BU for a TE. You want your slot guy blocking now? A little 180 pounder? You trying to get him killed?

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You just weren’t getting that the backup for Goedert on these plays could come from a WR or a RB. Just like avengers you mention Stoll. A backup TE2 and a backup option for Goedert on these YAC creation plays are two different things.

WOW....  you just weren't getting it was a different conversation.   you and only you were focused on YAC creation plays when it comes to Goedert.   Because out of all his snaps, how many were YAC creation plays?     Now how many were the other type plays to where GB and the rest of us were talking about as a backup TE? 

You do this constantly, you go off on a tangent by yourself and then argue over a different subject than the conversation.  

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Slot guys go later,they just DO because they are WR3.Don't need all that much polish just need to give the Qb a window in the short game and have good hands. They don't have to be burners either,they just need a twitch

a twitch and the ball in their hands on plays where they get it quicker with less effort needed or a lower degree of difficulty.    The WRs that go early are the ones that can make the plays where the QB needs to make those tougher throws.

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

a twitch and the ball in their hands on plays where they get it quicker with less effort needed or a lower degree of difficulty.    The WRs that go early are the ones that can make the plays where the QB needs to make those tougher throws.

Sure,when I look at slot guys as long as their 40 time is reasonable,I look at cone and shuttle drills.those are the guys with twitch.Quick changes of direction

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Who muffed punts as an Eagle?   2024 season hasn't started yet.   I don't get your negative mindset?    Smith ahs a skillset that was missing here, and fits perfectly in that supporting role after the studs we have in the first 4 spots.   It's a complimentary piece, a need that was addressed.

This is all the stuff I’ve been saying before and after he was drafted. But as an Eagle in the OTA he started by muffing some punts. Is what it is. How do you think Quez looked in college? He wasn’t dropping everything then. TC is ready to kickoff. Well just see how things develop going forward. I’ve given my opinions from the offseason point of view. Now let’s watch things unfold. Be great if everybody delivers on their optimistic ceiling viewpoints. Historical knowledge suggests this won’t be the case.

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Hurts had this guy you might be familiar with…Ceedee Lamb? Heard of him?

Yeah... he had a stud WR... didn't he have a few at Alabama too,   Just curious... in games Alabama and Oklahoma play... aren't they huge favorites in most games?   So wouldn't an Alabama and Oklahoma QB have better teammates by a pretty decent amount, than the opposing defense has on the field?

So you are telling me Hurts was this great college QB... because he had superior talent to work with?     Kinda like his 10 teammates now?  Except for it's not realistic for NFL teams to have a large level of talent above their opponent, so now Hurts will have to be more of a factor.

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

This is all the stuff I’ve been saying before and after he was drafted. But as an Eagle in the OTA he started by muffing some punts. Is what it is. How do you think Quez looked in college? He wasn’t dropping everything then. TC is ready to kickoff. Well just see how things develop going forward. I’ve given my opinions from the offseason point of view. Now let’s watch things unfold. Be great if everybody delivers on their optimistic ceiling viewpoints. Historical knowledge suggests this won’t be the case.

In the OTA... lol

7 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

LMAO a WR or RB is not a BU for a TE. You want your slot guy blocking now? A little 180 pounder? You trying to get him killed?

And see here it goes again…what you stated you didn’t do previously…I can’t do this round and round circle again where you just can’t break free from the positional labels to understand it’s not about position but capability of producing on a set grouping of YAC creation plays.

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

In the OTA... lol

At what point does it matter and you will judge him?

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

positional labels

Positions have labels because they are different positions. Really not hard to understand I wouldn't think? It's about position LOL

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Yeah... he had a stud WR... didn't he have a few at Alabama too,   Just curious... in games Alabama and Oklahoma play... aren't they huge favorites in most games?   So wouldn't an Alabama and Oklahoma QB have better teammates by a pretty decent amount, than the opposing defense has on the field?

So you are telling me Hurts was this great college QB... because he had superior talent to work with?     Kinda like his 10 teammates now?  Except for it's not realistic for NFL teams to have a large level of talent above their opponent, so now Hurts will have to be more of a factor.

Are you trying to say it’s easier to produce in college against say a D like Georgia? Pretty sure that can’t be your point. But yes having talent around guys usually helps. Like Burrow having Jefferson and Chase…the guy who beat Hurts out for the Heisman. 

IDK as of yet I haven't seen a draft where there is the "YAC specialist" position

4 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Positions have labels because they are different positions. Really not hard to understand I wouldn't think? It's about position LOL

Yep like I said I can’t go round and round on a point you just aren’t going to be able to digest. Maybe my fault for not being capable enough of explaining the point better. But you aren’t helping by LOL instead of even trying to understand the point. You are missing the whole point and discussion yet laughing at me.

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

This is all the stuff I’ve been saying before and after he was drafted. But as an Eagle in the OTA he started by muffing some punts. Is what it is. How do you think Quez looked in college? He wasn’t dropping everything then. TC is ready to kickoff. Well just see how things develop going forward. I’ve given my opinions from the offseason point of view. Now let’s watch things unfold. Be great if everybody delivers on their optimistic ceiling viewpoints. Historical knowledge suggests this won’t be the case.

Does historical knowledge say a QB should get better at Hurts age and time in the league?   

Does historical knowledge say Moore is a better OC than the previous guy who we know got a job do to his relationship with Hurts and then promoted for the potential comp pick

Does historical knowledge say that when a team doesn't have a specific type of player, that when they add that, it is a positive as it can now expand it's playbook?

I know in your mind... you focus on Hurts working... he works... that's great, nobody denies that he works.    This offseason they all are saying his results are better.  WE all know that just because you put in work, doesn't mean you get the same results.   so whatever it is that clicked this offseason, IDK why you seem to take it as a negative???  

It's not possible that Hurts is smarter now, so that his work paid off more?   Not possible that he put in different type of work and got better results?  Not possible?  

Not possible Barkley is better than Sanders and Swift?   Not possible?  

And not possible that the schedule this year is more favorable without all the opponents at the end NOT having the extra rest like they did last year?  

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Yep like I said I can’t go round and round on a point you just aren’t going to be able to digest. Maybe my fault for not being capable enough of explaining the point better.

Yeah IDK what you are talking about either. Nothing round and round a TE is a BIG guy a slot guy usually is not. You can't ask a slot WR or scat RB to block like a TE2,so yeah positions matter

7 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

And see here it goes again…what you stated you didn’t do previously…I can’t do this round and round circle again where you just can’t break free from the positional labels to understand it’s not about position but capability of producing on a set grouping of YAC creation plays.

I can do this again... the YAC creation plays are minimum to the job that Goedert does... way more to being a backup to Goedert than YAC creation.  

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Are you trying to say it’s easier to produce in college against say a D like Georgia? Pretty sure that can’t be your point. But yes having talent around guys usually helps. Like Burrow having Jefferson and Chase…the guy who beat Hurts out for the Heisman. 

Are you saying alabama and Oklahoma constantly play teams like Georgia?    How many times a year do they play Georgia?