3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Yeah IDK what you are talking about either. Nothing round and round a TE is a BIG guy a slot guy usually is not. You can't ask a slot WR or scat RB to block like a TE2,so yeah positions matter

Its that Ham is obsessed with the 6 YAC plays from Goedert while we are talking about the whole game that Goedert has to play.   

WE can concede a YAC guy can be anyone... but Ham can't concede that we were talking about the whole role of being Goedert's backup.  Then this round and round continues because it's two different conversations.

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Yeah IDK what you are talking about either. Nothing round and round a TE is a BIG guy a slot guy usually is not. You can't ask a slot WR or scat RB to block like a TE2,so yeah positions matter

Nobody said anything like this. Talking specifically running YAC creation plays. Goedert has been our only real option. Now we added Smith I believe specifically  for this role. Shipley I see capable to do these grouping of plays also. Could throw Ssquans name in the hat also. So if we chose to run a YAC creation play not utilizing Goedert…who’s is the next option? Hint: he’s not labeled TE2. More like WR, RB.

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Its that Ham is obsessed with the 6 YAC plays from Goedert while we are talking about the whole game that Goedert has to play.   

WE can concede a YAC guy can be anyone... but Ham can't concede that we were talking about the whole role of being Goedert's backup.  Then this round and round continues because it's two different conversations.

Yes

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Nobody said anything like this. Talking specifically running YAC creation plays. Goedert has been our only real option. Now we added Smith I believe specifically  for this role. Shipley I see capable to do these grouping of plays also. Could throw Ssquans name in the hat also. So if we chose to run a YAC creation play not utilizing Goedert…who’s is the next option? Hint: he’s not labeled TE2. More like WR, RB.

Who the hell is tagged as a YAC specialist????

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Nobody said anything like this. Talking specifically running YAC creation plays. Goedert has been our only real option. Now we added Smith I believe specifically  for this role. Shipley I see capable to do these grouping of plays also. Could throw Ssquans name in the hat also. So if we chose to run a YAC creation play not utilizing Goedert…who’s is the next option? Hint: he’s not labeled TE2. More like WR, RB.

Again... this is YOUR conversation ... not what we were talking about via the backup TE.   

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

YAC creation plays

You call a play. If your guy breaks a tackle that is YAC,you don't call YAC creation plays,please. You don't create those out of thin air,that is a player vs player AKA matchup issue

So the idea is Smith will backup Goedert on these plays. That’s square one we need Smith to get up and rolling with.

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Who the hell is tagged as a YAC specialist????

nobody... its one small aspect of a player's role on certain plays... otherwise there are way more things a player like Goedert needs to do.  Just concede that on a few plays someone else now will run after they catch the ball.  Then we move on.  you aren't going to get anywhere here with this.   

14 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

IDK as of yet I haven't seen a draft where there is the "YAC specialist" position

So keep continuing with that thought

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

So the idea is Smith will backup Goedert on these plays. That’s square one we need Smith to get up and rolling with.

No.. he isn't backing up Goedert on these plays... because most likely Goedert will be out on the field too.   

12 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Does historical knowledge say a QB should get better at Hurts age and time in the league?   

Does historical knowledge say Moore is a better OC than the previous guy who we know got a job do to his relationship with Hurts and then promoted for the potential comp pick

Does historical knowledge say that when a team doesn't have a specific type of player, that when they add that, it is a positive as it can now expand it's playbook?

I know in your mind... you focus on Hurts working... he works... that's great, nobody denies that he works.    This offseason they all are saying his results are better.  WE all know that just because you put in work, doesn't mean you get the same results.   so whatever it is that clicked this offseason, IDK why you seem to take it as a negative???  

It's not possible that Hurts is smarter now, so that his work paid off more?   Not possible that he put in different type of work and got better results?  Not possible?  

Not possible Barkley is better than Sanders and Swift?   Not possible?  

And not possible that the schedule this year is more favorable without all the opponents at the end NOT having the extra rest like they did last year?  

Some guys just getting out of college at 25

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

So keep continuing with that thought

LMK who the matchup creation specialists are in the next draft. That s a position I have never heard of

13 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I can do this again... the YAC creation plays are minimum to the job that Goedert does... way more to being a backup to Goedert than YAC creation.  

Absolutely correct. Why I said only specifically talking about Goedert’s role in these specific YAC creation plays …not becoming TE2.

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So the idea is Smith will backup Goedert on these plays. That’s square one we need Smith to get up and rolling with.

No

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Absolutely correct. Why I said only specifically talking about Goedert’s rookie in these specific YAC creation plays …not becoming TE2.

Show me any playbook that has YAC specialist plays in them

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

LMK who the matchup creation specialists are in the next draft. That s a position I have never heard of

Exactly. We have a TE Goedert, a WR Smith and a RB Shipley I’d sayin that order  will run them for us

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Absolutely correct. Why I said only specifically talking about Goedert’s rookie in these specific YAC creation plays …not becoming TE2.

Who is "Goederts rookie?"

I’m including reverses and screens in this grouping…even if they technically are runs

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Who is "Goederts rookie?"

Autocorrect got me I corrected it already….if you now reread

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Exactly. We have a TE Goedert, a WR Smith and a RB Shipley I’d sayin that order  will run them for us

What is a YAC creation play? Don't you want that on all pass plays?

3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Show me any playbook that has YAC specialist plays in them

Whole group of plays specifically designed for this

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Absolutely correct. Why I said only specifically talking about Goedert’s role in these specific YAC creation plays …not becoming TE2.

And why I said that it was your conversation with yourself... we were talking about TE2 

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Whole group of plays specifically designed for this

They are play calls,YAC is on the player not the play call. unreal

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Exactly. We have a TE Goedert, a WR Smith and a RB Shipley I’d sayin that order  will run them for us

I think AJ might be #1 on those ... but I count those short slants and crosses in there too.  Any play where it's designed to get a one on one matchup on a short play where there is a lot of space to work with.  Even just a quick screen too.  

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Whole group of plays specifically designed for this

I want every damn player I can find on my team who is a YAC specialist. They are play calls,there are zero plays called YAC plays- NONE. YAC is on the player not the play call