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Ongoing Eagles New Discussion volume 2

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2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Worse than laughable actually. Desperate and pathetic attempt. 

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53 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I don’t get The NY Times..so only could read the first paragraph about Siri being so emotionally immature of a HC yelling at KC fans "See Ya!” Pretty sure that wasn’t any part of what you were trying to say…unless it was about Siri is just a poster boy held up for one more season.

6 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

How many times have we seen the FO ego get in the way forcing a HC firing so quickly after winning a SB? Probably just the twice. Jimmy Johnson and Pedey. Things don’t happen…until they happen. What team has ever completely been lost by their coach so terribly like last years Eagles team and that coach was retained the next season? It just happened.

And which FO is in charge?  

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

I don’t get The NY Times..so only could read the first paragraph about Siri being so emotionally immature of a HC yelling at KC fans "See Ya!” Pretty sure that wasn’t any part of what you were trying to say…unless it was about Siri is just a poster boy held up for one more season.

Yes.... only read what fits your agenda...we know  

I don't get the NY times either...was able to read the whole thing.

But this explains a lot about things you miss.

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16 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

That the O was much more under Siri control than we even knew last season. So fired Johnson as a scapegoat for Siri’s O. They obviously were considering firing Siri for Bellicheat. Just didn’t want to uproot everything for the two seasons Bellicheat would still coach for. Meaning they wanted to make a change…but the right guy wasn’t available this past offseason, yet these top two choices will be available this next offseason. 

The HC should be in control? Isn't that what they were hired to do? Then delegate responsibilities? Or give up some of his own if that's what best suits the team?

4 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Yeah...the " stale was the coach saying it "  

I think you have to understand the owner is in charge.  Read up on things that the owner prioritizes in his coaches.  And you can also see trends.  

You are i love with this " offensive mind" ... the Eagles made one hire with that in mind... your boy Chip.   You think the owner goes down that route again?

Everything has shown Lurie will hire  as a HC an O mind. AR, Pedey, Chipper, Siri….Moore was the runner up. All of them. Slowik would be the perfect fit for us in many ways. Rosie could still keep ego and rule over coaching.

4 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Yeah... the narrative Siri felt he had to babysit Johnson.  Feeling his overall watch on the team suffered.  He wanted Moore, the owner paid up for Moore... brought in the RB.

Again... the owner is all that matters here.  You seem to forget that.

He forced his O on Johnson and even was said to be doing a bunch of playcalling. The stale was Siri. Siri admitted it after the season had to give up any control over the O. Players were upset and it was leaking out midseason however. Even when we were winning the players could see things weren’t good enough..stating how predictable the O was.

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I really don't worry about outbursts,that is his personality. If you hire someone and try to mold them into a person they are not, you are asking for trouble. Any why as a fan do you care what Siri said to KC fans who probably deserved it? What did they yell at him before that?

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5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Everything has shown Lurie will hire  as a HC an O mind. AR, Pedey, Chipper, Siri….Moore was the runner up. All of them. Slowik would be the perfect fit for us in many ways. Rosie could still keep ego and rule over coaching.

And if Slowik came here you don't think he would be poached away from us??? No consistency if you play musical chairs at HC. 

13 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’ve said a WR that has the versatility to play every WR position would be ideal. Then you can move AJ and Smitty around to not be so predictable to the D. Get that guy.

Basically another pro bowl level WR?   Again... forget about the fantasy world.   The question is simple... who seems a better fit next to AJ and Smith.... the 2023 group or the 2024 group.  Who brings more to the table .... Barkley, Shipley, A Smith, Campbell and the big rookie.... vs last years group?   For me, I want guys that can get the YAC because I know the other guys will draw the attention, so instead of worrying about guys getting open downfield. lets have guys that we know will get space right away...because attention will be on AJ, Smith and Goedert.  

The " role players"  the skills of the guys this year, I like better as a fit with the core

7 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Yeah... the narrative Siri felt he had to babysit Johnson.  Feeling his overall watch on the team suffered.  He wanted Moore, the owner paid up for Moore... brought in the RB.

Again... the owner is all that matters here.  You seem to forget that.

And he discusses everything with a Rosie. Exactly why I believe they realized they couldn’t get the real coach they wanted this offseason. So they had to formulate a one year temporary plan..instead of drastically hiring Bellicheat.

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

He forced his O on Johnson and even was said to be doing a bunch of playcalling. The stale was Siri. Siri admitted it after the season had to give up any control over the O. Players were upset and it was leaking out midseason however. Even when we were winning the players could see things weren’t good enough..stating how predictable the O was.

The OWNER IS ALL THAT MATTERS

THE OWNER IS ALL TAT MATTERS... THE OWNER LIKES THE COACH.... THE OWNER LIKES other attributes than " offensive genius"

The owner already had a bad experience with " offensive genius" ... the owner has had good success with CEO type coaches. guys that run the entire ship, not just locked away in the room with the pocket protectors designing plays.  

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2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Basically another pro bowl level WR?   Again... forget about the fantasy world.   The question is simple... who seems a better fit next to AJ and Smith.... the 2023 group or the 2024 group.  Who brings more to the table .... Barkley, Shipley, A Smith, Campbell and the big rookie.... vs last years group?   For me, I want guys that can get the YAC because I know the other guys will draw the attention, so instead of worrying about guys getting open downfield. lets have guys that we know will get space right away...because attention will be on AJ, Smith and Goedert.  

The " role players"  the skills of the guys this year, I like better as a fit with the core

Pro bowl BU WR's LOL

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Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

Pro bowl BU WR's LOL

Cheap. Yeah NP there 🤣

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

And he discusses everything with a Rosie. Exactly why I believe they realized they couldn’t get the real coach they wanted this offseason. So they had to formulate a one year temporary plan..instead of drastically hiring Bellicheat.

You live in your own world .... just like similar with Ziggy and Lane...and the Saints trade not being a steal

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3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

And he discusses everything with a Rosie. Exactly why I believe they realized they couldn’t get the real coach they wanted this offseason. So they had to formulate a one year temporary plan..instead of drastically hiring Bellicheat.

Howie gave up his part once....to Chip...how did that work out and why would Lurie go back there?

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Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

Howie gave up his part once....to Chip...how did that work out and why would Lurie go back there?

Maybe Belicheat wanted more control than Lurie was willing to give and Belicheat was not that hot after Brady left

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3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

You live in your own world .... just like similar with Ziggy and Lane...and the Saints trade not being a steal

Not a steal,it was a Rape and Shellacking LOL

Pick 18 is better than pick 19 ..... Eagles won that

Pick 101 is better than pick 194 .... Eagles won that

Saints got pick 16  for .....  2022 pick # 237     2023  1st round pick   ... 2024 2nd round pick.

It's pick 16, not pick 5 .... middle of the round to a mediocre team... who really should have had the pick in top 7 if it wasn't for fluke play.   Then a 2nd round pick .... plus a throw in for pick 237.

You do that trade EVERY YEAR.... you cancel out the 2 first round picks.... swap the 6th for the 7th ..... and you get an extra 2nd and 3rd rounder.     If you do that every year... you end up with a extra 2nd and 3rd rounders for eternity.... while always having your first round pick

The trade was a steal..... you had a hard on against it because you were so obsessed with the idea it was ONLY done to potentially replace Hurts.     

All F#@#$ing year.... bad trade, we could have had a rookie S... (not even taking into consideration that we wouldn't have then trade for CGJ)    Annoying us all year with this " I'm not a sheep"  no kidding... if the rest of us walked across the bridge, you would jump in the water because the majority can't ever be right!

Only second to years of Ziggy should have been the first pick over Lane.  " Hey remember that first game vs the Chiefs, Lane gave up some sacks...etc"   That was you argument for years.  Maybe you can call up Ziggy and carpool to Lane's hall of fame induction?   

We get it, you don't like the coach... now spare us the year long annoyance.  It's not a good look.  

 

11 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Maybe Belicheat wanted more control than Lurie was willing to give and Belicheat was not that hot after Brady left

I think they just discussed football with BB.... I don't ever think anything was to hire him.   you get a feel for philosophy... he has experience knowing people around the league etc.  

As they brought up.... (but Ham can't read for some reason)   Siri brought in the good group of coaches with him... a young guy, not easy to replace 2 coordinators without being around the league long.  Moore is specifically Siri's choice... he can let him do things without a babysitter, and he brings different things, which Siri said things were stale.  The issue with promoting everyone from within... Siri wanted fresh ideas.  

But of course... it doesn't fir the Ziggy Ansah agenda.  

The I called it's would be tolerable... if it didn't come with the obnoxiousness and refusal to admit any wrong.  

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The league parity the NFL wanted is coming to fruition. Very hard to have a "dynasty" now. Being consistent takes alot more work now

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1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

I think they just discussed football with BB.... I don't ever think anything was to hire him.   you get a feel for philosophy... he has experience knowing people around the league etc.  

As they brought up.... (but Ham can't read for some reason)   Siri brought in the good group of coaches with him... a young guy, not easy to replace 2 coordinators without being around the league long.  Moore is specifically Siri's choice... he can let him do things without a babysitter, and he brings different things, which Siri said things were stale.  The issue with promoting everyone from within... Siri wanted fresh ideas.  

But of course... it doesn't fir the Ziggy Ansah agenda.  

The I called it's would be tolerable... if it didn't come with the obnoxiousness and refusal to admit any wrong.  

I like Moore,ALOT. He will force Hurts to play the QB position as a passer. I love Hurts as a runner,but if he is going to be here for a duration,he needs to pass the ball or hand it off to increase his longevity. Moore will show him how to do new things and as far as I am concerned that is great for Hurts and the Eagles.Moore remembers the "air Coryelle" days of old. He brought out alot of good things with Herbert who had to perform with WR's injured. So I am looking forward to Hurts using tools he isn't used to using on plays he isn't used to running,but if he can master those he will be back in the MVP discussion and not just because we had an easy schedule

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