1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

DeJean,but he isn't ready to play yet and until he CAN play we don't know if he can handle that. He said "I will play wherever they want me to play". The kid is a competitor and just wants to play-ANYWHERE. I love the kids attitude.

And I read where he is ticked off at being behind the learning curve. He's smart,he will get caught up. he just needs to get on the field. The coach of Iowa said if he would have stayed they wanted to also use him on OFFENSE

5 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Or who moves inside? 

That’s why this is all occurring…

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I do think it should be a priority to make sure Q becomes as close to a lockdown outside CB as possible. When over and over predraft the hypotheticals about whether we should draft DeJean with our first round pick kept being discussed….my question was can he be a quality outside Cb? So I’m very consistent here on this subject clearly.

Because you pigeon hole everything.  The priority is winning.  And developing football players to be the best players they can be 

You specifically have this obsession with a lock down outside CB.    Today's game you have to cover the entire unit, not just an outside guy.

If you want him to be lock down...then he needs to be able to play everywhere to follow that WR all over the field.  

Nothing wrong with him getting as much playing time as possible while being part of the best unit we have.

 

I thought great coaches adapt to their players?   Seems like Fangio is doing that...but yet you have a problem with it because you have a specific agenda. 

Suck it up...I have to watch the read option play all the time...you can watch Mitchell in the slot. 

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Q is our top CB so anybody else

LMAO dude hasn't played ONE SNAP in a real NFL game.Let him sit and learn a little bit. We'll be fine. He has to learn to play against a bevy of different WR styles,not just our guys in camp

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I pretty much did if you listened to everything I was saying leading up to the draft. Revis is just one of the most notable examples for everyone to understand my point though obviously.

Wow Mitchell is already hall of famer...manhandling WRs.  Good to know.

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

That’s why this is all occurring…

What color were the napkins at the last wedding you attended?  You see how it ultimately doesn't matter.  

We aren't hurting 2028 version of Mitchell by playing him in the slot now.  Stop it.

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Q is our top CB so anybody else

So you're going to sit a highly paid player for a guy on a rook contract who can actually help inside at the moment? And if you move Q out now who moves inside?"

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

What color were the napkins at the last wedding you attended?  You see how it ultimately doesn't matter.  

We aren't hurting 2028 version of Mitchell by playing him in the slot now.  Stop it.

I think they said "WAWA" on them

5 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

DeJean,but he isn't ready to play yet and until he CAN play we don't know if he can handle that. He said "I will play wherever they want me to play". The kid is a competitor and just wants to play-ANYWHERE. I love the kids attitude.

And the original thinking was DeJean in the Slot and Q outside. DeJean injury along with Rodgers and Ringo balling out has created the situation of taking our best outside CB and playing him out of position…inside. Heck Fangio even admitted he didn’t even know if Q could man the Slot. So it clearly wasn’t why we drafted him for.

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

So you're going to sit a highly paid player for a guy on a rook contract who can actually help inside at the moment? And if you move Q out now who moves inside?"

Lol... I don't get it.  The other team puts out 5 guys in the route.... we need to cover all of them.  Why does it matter who covers where.... just get them all covered with our best unit. 

The best unit to get to the QB... the best unit to cover everything...and the best unit to stop the run.  That's all I'm looking for.   

Anyway,I'm fine with letting Q get his feet wet covering NON top WR's(GL covering JJ in the slot). If he is solid there,then we can test him outside at his natural position. he can pay his dues like every other rookie. 

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

And the original thinking was DeJean in the Slot and Q outside. DeJean injury along with Rodgers and Ringo balling out has created the situation of taking our best outside CB and playing him out of position…inside. Heck Fangio even admitted he didn’t even know if Q could man the Slot. So it clearly wasn’t why we drafted him for.

Ohhhh. ...I get it now....." the master plan" 

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

And the original thinking was DeJean in the Slot and Q outside. DeJean injury along with Rodgers and Ringo balling out has created the situation of taking our best outside CB and playing him out of position…inside. Heck Fangio even admitted he didn’t even know if Q could man the Slot. So it clearly wasn’t why we drafted him for.

Right you adapt for the TEAM. if that's the best for the team you make it happen. As joe said it's about the UNIT all together,overall

8 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Wow Mitchell is already hall of famer...manhandling WRs.  Good to know.

He isn’t yet. He needs to become that would be the ideal goal. But I guess we’ll put Lockdown Q Island on hold for the betterment of the team right now. Not am important job we want Q excelling in for years to come anyway.

What position was Dickerson when we drafted him.... now that he is like the best LG in football...should we move him back there?  Because it was the " master plan"?

Maybe SF should have played Lance at QB....after all "the master plan" probably wasn't to give up all those picks for Lance and then start Mr. Irrelevant? 

2 UNITS we are weak on 1) Receivers TE2/3 and slot and DEPTH BU's 2) LB You place the individuals in the spots that make up the best UNIT

8 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

So you're going to sit a highly paid player for a guy on a rook contract who can actually help inside at the moment? And if you move Q out now who moves inside?"

That’s the whole reason this is happening. That’s the point. Our top outside CB has to play inside…because of our team roster makeup.

5 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Lol... I don't get it.  The other team puts out 5 guys in the route.... we need to cover all of them.  Why does it matter who covers where.... just get them all covered with our best unit. 

The best unit to get to the QB... the best unit to cover everything...and the best unit to stop the run.  That's all I'm looking for.   

Yes you don’t get it. You don’t understand the value of not overloading a young player with trying to learn too many things. You don’t see any issue with not having a top CB taken in the first round specifically to be a great outside CB …not full time train to become that….and do that. I realize you don’t get it.

IDK in music I started out on piano. I was ok. Then I took up drums and I was better at that,then I picked up a bass and self taught myself out of a book. 4 years later I was listed in Scene magazine as one of the top 10 best bassists in Ohio,so should I have gone back to piano? Let Q pay his dues like I had to in music

8 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Ohhhh. ...I get it now....." the master plan" 

If our coach admitted he had no idea our first round pick could even play in the slot…do you think we drafted Q to play in the Slot?

This whole idea of pigeon holing yourself to a " master plan" from March is ridiculous. 

Then why would they put in all the work in the offseason ... camp...preseason...etc.  if they already know what works best? 

Just crazy.  You don't hand people jobs if your team is all in.   " put on hold Q being a lock down outside CB for betterment of the team" ... lol

Planet Ham at its finest.   The team is trying to win now... only you can't see it because you fall in love with certain players or have a " master plan from before"   Everything is fluid, teams need to be able to adjust on the fly.

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

That’s the whole reason this is happening. That’s the point. Our top outside CB has to play inside…because of our team roster makeup.

Kinda nice to have TOO MANY good players in the secondary. We could never say that before. it's a good problem to have

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Yes you don’t get it. You don’t understand the value of not overloading a young player with trying to learn too many things. You don’t see any issue with not having a top CB taken in the first round specifically to be a great outside CB …not full time train to become that….and do that. I realize you don’t get it.

Who are you sitting that Howie paid big money for?

8 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Right you adapt for the TEAM. if that's the best for the team you make it happen. As joe said it's about the UNIT all together,overall

Not about the next twelve years for our top young first round pick stud CB…ok..if you say so.

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

IDK in music I started out on piano. I was ok. Then I took up drums and I was better at that,then I picked up a bass and self taught myself out of a book. 4 years later I was listed in Scene magazine as one of the top 10 best bassists in Ohio,so should I have gone back to piano? Let Q pay his dues like I had to in music

But Q following guys and playing more on instinct year one so he can learn the physical level of the NFL receivers vs the tough competition he face at Toledo is bad...lol